The legal system when dealing with family is messed up

[SAWYER]

A few years ago my dad gave me a motorcycle, I suspect he did it to avoid paying sales tax/insurance since he was allowed to ride it whenever. I would allow him to ride it whenever he wanted, which was a few times a year. The past year we have had a big falling out and last Friday we had a big argument and I basically told him to f off and never contact me again.

Monday when I got back home from out of town I noticed the bike was gone out of my garage. I instantly knew it was him and told him to bring it back or I was calling the police. He didnt care and told me the only way I would get it back was if I called the police. Last night I filled a stolen property report and told them where he lived, they go recover the bike and had it towed. I go pick it up today and it cost me $135 and the detective called me just now and told me the didnt arrest him and it is a civil matter. So basically he can come mess with me and get a free pass.

The detective told me he was going to inform my dad I want no more contact and he is not allowed on my property anymore and if he shows up Im supposed to not open the door and call the police..wtf. I told the cop that is cowardly and if my dad is going to be at my house raising hell I will not stand for it and he then said not to do anything because I can get arrested for battery...wtf?

 

[sixone]

Those cops have better things to do than mediate between you and your dad.

They didn't say he gets a free pass. They said call them if he comes over, so they can arrest him. Better that than landing your own ass in jail, isn't it?

Park the bike in a storage unit, at a friend's house, or sell it.

 

[Mixolydian]

Those cops have better things to do than mediate between you and your dad.

No they don't.

 

[phucheneh]

No they don't.

Citing people for 5mph over the limit or expired tags, obviously.

 

[CPA]

Get one of those do-hickey things from a judge that says your dad can't come within 500 feet of you or your property. Then it becomes a criminal matter. Sad, though, that you can't reconcile your issue with him. I guess when he dies, you'll be indifferent about it?

 

[SAWYER]

I have never been close to my parents/family, I havent talked to them in years and my dad was the last one I vaguely associated with

 

[Corporate Thug]

A few years ago my dad gave me a motorcycle, I suspect he did it to avoid paying sales tax/insurance since he was allowed to ride it whenever. I would allow him to ride it whenever he wanted, which was a few times a year. The past year we have had a big falling out and last Friday we had a big argument and I basically told him to f off and never contact me again.

Monday when I got back home from out of town I noticed the bike was gone out of my garage. I instantly knew it was him and told him to bring it back or I was calling the police. He didnt care and told me the only way I would get it back was if I called the police. Last night I filled a stolen property report and told them where he lived, they go recover the bike and had it towed. I go pick it up today and it cost me $135 and the detective called me just now and told me the didnt arrest him and it is a civil matter. So basically he can come mess with me and get a free pass.

The detective told me he was going to inform my dad I want no more contact and he is not allowed on my property anymore and if he shows up Im supposed to not open the door and call the police..wtf. I told the cop that is cowardly and if my dad is going to be at my house raising hell I will not stand for it and he then said not to do anything because I can get arrested for battery...wtf?

Did you expect for him to get locked up for life over stolen property?

 

[SAWYER]

No but a day in jail and some fines would have been good

 

[Corporate Thug]

No but a day in jail and some fines would have been good

but that would only delay him messing with your for about a day...

 

[lxskllr]

but that would only delay him messing with your for about a day...

and he'd be twice as pissed. The court system is the worst way to handle almost every problem.

 

[TheFamilyMan]

So, you participate in your father's tax/insurance avoidance scheme so he can ride *HIS* motorcycle without paying proper taxes and insurance then you get pissed when he comes and gets it?

I'm not sure I see where you have been wronged here...sounds more like you have daddy issues and are manifesting those in the ownership particulars of the motorcycle...

 

[SAWYER]

No he offered me the bike when he got a settlement as a way to make right selling off a vehicle he restored and promised me from when I was a kid that he was going to give to me. It was long gone and forgotten, he knew I liked bikes and this particular kind he bought and surprised me with it. I wasn't about to turn down a free motorcycle

 

[dougp]

"Officer, I own a weapon for self defense and if I feel in danger, I will not hesitate to use it. Which would you prefer, handling this now or later - with a lot more paperwork?"

 

[Phoenix86]

Those cops have better things to do than mediate between you and your dad.

They didn't say he gets a free pass. They said call them if he comes over, so they can arrest him. Better that than landing your own ass in jail, isn't it?

Park the bike in a storage unit, at a friend's house, or sell it.

Let's assume the bike is registered in the OPs name, he didn't state that but let's assume.

If I take the bike, the OP knows I did it, gives the cops the info and they collect the bike from me. What happens to me?

Compare that to what happened to his dad. Why is it different?

 

[SAWYER]

The title is in my name only, I keep up the insurance and the property taxes and paid the sales taxes

 

[OinkBoink]

Meh. If I wanted to disassociate myself from my dad completely, I would simply hand his shit over to him, buy my own shit and move on with my life. I wouldn't want to keep something he earned himself. Screw legalities. The more you keep what people earned themselves, the more they become a part of your life and the more it affects you being a self-sufficient and independent human being, even if it is mentally, than just physical possessions.

 

[Jimzz]

Easier to remove the issue; sell the bike.

 

[tcsenter]

Meh. If I wanted to disassociate myself from my dad completely, I would simply hand his shit over to him, buy my own shit and move on with my life.

This. Sounds like the apple didn't fall far from the tree here. He gave the motorcycle to you, you have benefited from the use of it, and now he wants it back. If you really want him out of your life, you would just give it back to him and be done with it. I get it, sometimes its really hard - maybe even unsatisfying - to be the adult when someone else is acting so childish, but that's what separates the adults from the children.

 

[It's Not Lupus]

if you're gifted something by anyone, it's yours.

i'd sell the bike and get a new one. also change your garage door locks.

 

[sixone]

Let's assume the bike is registered in the OPs name, he didn't state that but let's assume.

If I take the bike, the OP knows I did it, gives the cops the info and they collect the bike from me. What happens to me?

Compare that to what happened to his dad. Why is it different?

Other than having the bike forcibly taken from you and returned to the registered owner? Other than now being known to the cops, who will take a dim view of any further reports of shenanigans on your part?

That sounds just about right, for a dispute over a freaking motorcycle. This is not a matter of life or death, and shouldn't be treated like one.

 

[SAWYER]

I never close my garage and I had the ignition set to where it doesnt need a key. I promptly changed it to where you need a key. I dont want to sell it, it is a badass bike and I planned on giving it to my kids when they get older

 

[Phoenix86]

Other than having the bike forcibly taken from you and returned to the registered owner? Other than now being known to the cops, who will take a dim view of any further reports of shenanigans on your part?

That sounds just about right, for a dispute over a freaking motorcycle. This is not a matter of life or death, and shouldn't be treated like one.

You forgot the theft charge and likely arrest, not that I completely think it's necessary in this case with the father. Sometimes I think common sense should trump thinks but by the book the father should have been arrested.

In other words, he was given a free pass.

 

[natto fire]

Back when the legal system was forming, I don't think inbreeding was as prominent as it is now. People were not associating sex with family as much and there were obviously few quibbles.

Times have changed and rural areas could not care less about blood lines or other miscellaneous facts, so family lines have blurred.

Sucks for you but are you, by chance, in West Virginia?

I have no idea what it is like to be in competition with my family because we get along great.

 

[Agent11]

So what was this falling out about that it would estrange you from the guy who gave you an awesome motorcycle?

 

[Vdubchaos]

A few years ago my dad gave me a motorcycle, I suspect he did it to avoid paying sales tax/insurance since he was allowed to ride it whenever. I would allow him to ride it whenever he wanted, which was a few times a year. The past year we have had a big falling out and last Friday we had a big argument and I basically told him to f off and never contact me again.

What was so bad about this fall out that made you tell your father such a horrible thing?

Monday when I got back home from out of town I noticed the bike was gone out of my garage. I instantly knew it was him and told him to bring it back or I was calling the police. He didnt care and told me the only way I would get it back was if I called the police. Last night I filled a stolen property report and told them where he lived, they go recover the bike and had it towed. I go pick it up today and it cost me $135 and the detective called me just now and told me the didnt arrest him and it is a civil matter. So basically he can come mess with me and get a free pass.

You called police on your father?

The detective told me he was going to inform my dad I want no more contact and he is not allowed on my property anymore and if he shows up Im supposed to not open the door and call the police..wtf. I told the cop that is cowardly and if my dad is going to be at my house raising hell I will not stand for it and he then said not to do anything because I can get arrested for battery...wtf?

Cowardly to call police?

You are planning to actually hurt him if he shows up?

Again, what did he do that was so bad?

I never close my garage and I had the ignition set to where it doesnt need a key. I promptly changed it to where you need a key. I dont want to sell it, it is a badass bike and I planned on giving it to my kids when they get older

Can you ever imagine your little one telling you what you told your father?