The left and having children

[theeedude]

Dissipate, if you believe in this so much, why don't you go door to door in low income neighborhoods on weekends and tell them to use contraception because you don't want to pay taxes for their kids educations. While you are there, you can share your other "ideas" on child rearing with them poor folk. Then you will find out for yourself if it's offensive or not, instead of asking "youth corps" to do it for you.

 

[Jeff7]

Well here's one "leftist" who agrees with you, except on the abortion thing. People don't plan properly for children, they are often irresponsible, and too many people get married to or have children with abusive or just lousy spouses/SO's, possibly with the delusion that marriage or a child will magically change the other person's behavior.

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Agreed, "the right" (fundamentalists and Bush pandering to them) should stop fighting access to and education about contraceptives at every turn.

In fighting access to contraceptives, abortion and welfare "the right" seems to be saying they want to protect the unborn, but after birth the kids are on their own.

"The right" needs to admit promoting abstinence as the only option is not the correct approach.

Agreed. The far right too often is obsessed with protecting fetuses and zygotes, but they don't seem to care nearly as much about those who are already quite definitely fully alive and out into the world. It's similar to someone's sig quote here - why do people throw blood on old women in fur coats? Because it's easier than going after husky leather-wearing bikers. Stopping abortion requires low/no-cost legislation and strong words. Helping children and adults in need requires money and dedication. Stopping abortion is the easy route, so that's the way they take.

 

[Eos]

I like the OP's assumption that someone in an abusive relationship is there by choice. Many studies have shown that people who are abused by uncles, dads, whomever, seek out those types of relationships as adults. Of course they're victims. Years of therapy has prevented people I know from making bad choices in relationships and they now are living happily. No longer being abused.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Spay & Neuter . . or become Catholic.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
My view is that the left doesn't want to acknowledge that people are not mere automatons incapable of keeping their genitalia away from abusive spouses. If they did then their entire belief system would come into question.

wtf?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Dissipate
My view is that the left doesn't want to acknowledge that people are not mere automatons incapable of keeping their genitalia away from abusive spouses. If they did then their entire belief system would come into question.

wtf?

To quote one of our revered figures:
"I just follow the old divining rod! Waheeyyyy!!! Woaahh!!"

- O Sacred One Quagmire.

Can't question that, or our entire belief system collapses.

 

[Rainsford]

While I disagree that Dissipate's ranting was any reflection of reality, I would suggest that buying into that view of the world is perhaps the best argument FOR "leftist" programs and the best argument against "righties" having any moral leg to stand on. Whatever sins you believe ill-prepared parents may have committed, surely it's not their childrens' fault...what kind of society seeks to punish the children for poor choices their parents may have made? And yet that's exactly what this debate about social programs targeted towards children is about. Those against such programs are so intent on punishing the parents that they don't seem to realize that the children are really the ones being hurt.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Uh, nice rant? I take it you're OK with abortion then?

Killing children as a form of contraceptive is despicable.

A choice is made in creating the kids, but no one seems to care about that choice and the fact that it was already made.

It's a good thing that no one kills children as a form of Birth Control. In fact, killing children as a form of Birth Control makes no sense, since to be a child one must first be born.

404 error Birth Control not found

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Uh, nice rant? I take it you're OK with abortion then?

Killing children as a form of contraceptive is despicable.

A choice is made in creating the kids, but no one seems to care about that choice and the fact that it was already made.

It's a good thing that no one kills children as a form of Birth Control. In fact, killing children as a form of Birth Control makes no sense, since to be a child one must first be born.

404 error Birth Control not found

So if a baby is 1 day away from "being born" then its ok to kill it, as long as its in the mothers stomach?

 

[Bitek]

WTF? You have some strange friends and some strange conversations.

In my experience, its been the religious types that have more poorly planned pregnancies. EG in Utah (reddest of all) everyone rushes out to get married early (teens or 20s) and then begin banging kids out. I think state assitance usage there is some of the highest in the country. (IMO) they are all so sexually repressed (and ironically become overly stimulated) and marry the first girl/boy that will screw them just so they can finally get some. But they can't just do it for fun, it has to be for kids..


But no, I don't think its a L/R issue (as you wish it were.) Its a question of responsibility and there are enough irresponsible people on both sides of the spectrum.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Uh, nice rant? I take it you're OK with abortion then?

Killing children as a form of contraceptive is despicable.

A choice is made in creating the kids, but no one seems to care about that choice and the fact that it was already made.

It's a good thing that no one kills children as a form of Birth Control. In fact, killing children as a form of Birth Control makes no sense, since to be a child one must first be born.

404 error Birth Control not found

So if a baby is 1 day away from "being born" then its ok to kill it, as long as its in the mothers stomach?

I didn't say that. However, it's neither a "Baby" or a "Child" while it's still within the Womb.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Uh, nice rant? I take it you're OK with abortion then?

Killing children as a form of contraceptive is despicable.

A choice is made in creating the kids, but no one seems to care about that choice and the fact that it was already made.

It's a good thing that no one kills children as a form of Birth Control. In fact, killing children as a form of Birth Control makes no sense, since to be a child one must first be born.

404 error Birth Control not found

So if a baby is 1 day away from "being born" then its ok to kill it, as long as its in the mothers stomach?

I didn't say that. However, it's neither a "Baby" or a "Child" while it's still within the Womb.

Do you have any kids?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Uh, nice rant? I take it you're OK with abortion then?

Killing children as a form of contraceptive is despicable.

A choice is made in creating the kids, but no one seems to care about that choice and the fact that it was already made.

It's a good thing that no one kills children as a form of Birth Control. In fact, killing children as a form of Birth Control makes no sense, since to be a child one must first be born.

404 error Birth Control not found

So if a baby is 1 day away from "being born" then its ok to kill it, as long as its in the mothers stomach?

I didn't say that. However, it's neither a "Baby" or a "Child" while it's still within the Womb.

Do you have any kids?

It doesn't matter, but no.

 

[ericlp]

This isn't an abortion debate. But I knew it would turn into one. Let's keep it back on topic...

I know there are some whacked out lefties that think birth control should be locked up and out of the reach teens. I haven't heard of seen of them. Anyone here that didn't vote for bush think we shouldn't give out condoms to kids and show them how to use them?

Also, anyone here that didn't vote for bush thinks bush is doing a good job with sex education in the class rooms? I guess I'd like to know just how far off the left could be on this issue.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Uh, nice rant? I take it you're OK with abortion then?

Killing children as a form of contraceptive is despicable.

A choice is made in creating the kids, but no one seems to care about that choice and the fact that it was already made.

Well, support education and birth control then. What's despicable is a white man pontificating from his office chair family planning ideas. Go beat the wife and kick the dog or something.