- Jan 17, 2004
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I have gotten into an argument with leftists on a number of occasions online as well as offline.
One of the huge problems that I see in society in general is people failing to plan for children. It seems to me that people are going out there (men as well as women) and are recklessly starting to have kids. They have no idea how they are going to pay for that kid but they think that it is their prerogative to do so. Then, they end up not having the money to properly care for the kid (i.e. provide health insurance and a proper non-state funded education). This is where the state comes in to the picture with welfare handouts, government education and government funded health insurance programs.
Now, if this were the 1500s my views on this subject would be different. Back then, few people had access to the kinds of things that are considered today to be necessities for properly raising a child. However, now with modern technology and an enormous opportunity rich job market things are different.
To start off with there are a large number of contraceptive products on the market, with different kinds coming out all the time. These contraceptive products have a low failure rate and can be purchased over the counter at a low price. Even someone living on the streets can pick up some free condoms from somewhere. Therefore, completely unplanned pregnancies are the result of stupidity 99.9% of the time.
So now the question arises regarding 'planned' pregnancies. These pregnancies are planned in the sense that both partners recognize that there is a very high chance of pregnancy due to having completely unprotected intercourse with no contraceptives. Why is it that time and time again we see parents of children who it seems like didn't even spend 5 seconds actually looking at who they got married to (or even remained unmarried to) and started procreating with. Stories of men/women who wound up with abusive/deadbeat boyfriends/husbands/girlfriends/wives can be heard practically anywhere. Is it possible that these people exhibited any kind of behavior indicating that they were abusive/deadbeats? Perhaps that is not the case. It is possible that someone could seduce another person with charm and charisma and then reveal their abusive behavior after they are well into a relationship. But I look at some of these significant others that are so messed up in the head it would amaze me that there wasn't some kind of sign of this ahead of time. These are people that I could tell were messed up after spending even 5 minutes talking with them.
What puzzles me is how the common view is always that the person that winds up with these horrible significant others is considered to be the victim 100%. Rarely do I hear anyone speaking out against these 'victims' and how they chose such a horrible significant other to bear children with. Why is it that absolutely no responsibility can be placed on these 'victims?' This is not to say that the abuse can be justified, but that it is ridiculous that they wound up with that person in the first place. To go even further, however, these victims (especially women) can never seem to get away from their abusive significant other. They just seem to continue going back for more like a punching bag.
The other behavior that seems to be rampantly common (even among families that have somewhat decent parents) is the complete lack of financial planning for children. One of the most expensive things (or even the most expensive thing) that these people acquire is about to come along and it seems like a great number of them don't even spend a single day planning how they are going to pay for it. They just get so obsessed with having the kid they can't seem to be bothered with the financial details.
So we have as a common syndrome of child bearing in society:
1. Lack of proper usage of contraceptives
2. Tendencies towards abusive partners
3. Lack of proper financial planning for the children
In my conversations with leftists on these issue I get nothing but the runaround. I hear heartfelt pleas for the mothers, proclamations that the poor have a right to have as many children as they want at the rest of society's expense and ad hominem attacks claiming that I am a bigot, a racist and have no grounds for bringing such issues up due to the lack of experience in child rearing. Actually, the most common rhetorical question I receive is "So you think only the rich should have kids, right?" Of course, this implies that only the rich are capable of properly using contraceptives, avoiding abusive spouses and properly planning financially for their kids.
My view is that the left doesn't want to acknowledge that people are not mere automatons incapable of keeping their genitalia away from abusive spouses. If they did then their entire belief system would come into question. They would actually have to recognize that people consciously play a role in the situation they end up in. Now the welfare state comes into question and so on.
Some of them actually admit that these people made bad judgments and messed up big time. Their claim though is that the kids are already here and the state should help them out. To that I reply that why is it the state's role to clean up after the fact? Shouldn't the state try to nip this problem at the bud rather than clean up afterwards? Where are the programs for promoting and distributing contraceptives? Where are the programs for educating people on how to pick better spouses? Where are the programs for helping people learn how to properly plan financially for these children?
When I ask these questions it just goes right back to being a bigot and insulting that I should suggest that the state ever set up programs.
One of the huge problems that I see in society in general is people failing to plan for children. It seems to me that people are going out there (men as well as women) and are recklessly starting to have kids. They have no idea how they are going to pay for that kid but they think that it is their prerogative to do so. Then, they end up not having the money to properly care for the kid (i.e. provide health insurance and a proper non-state funded education). This is where the state comes in to the picture with welfare handouts, government education and government funded health insurance programs.
Now, if this were the 1500s my views on this subject would be different. Back then, few people had access to the kinds of things that are considered today to be necessities for properly raising a child. However, now with modern technology and an enormous opportunity rich job market things are different.
To start off with there are a large number of contraceptive products on the market, with different kinds coming out all the time. These contraceptive products have a low failure rate and can be purchased over the counter at a low price. Even someone living on the streets can pick up some free condoms from somewhere. Therefore, completely unplanned pregnancies are the result of stupidity 99.9% of the time.
So now the question arises regarding 'planned' pregnancies. These pregnancies are planned in the sense that both partners recognize that there is a very high chance of pregnancy due to having completely unprotected intercourse with no contraceptives. Why is it that time and time again we see parents of children who it seems like didn't even spend 5 seconds actually looking at who they got married to (or even remained unmarried to) and started procreating with. Stories of men/women who wound up with abusive/deadbeat boyfriends/husbands/girlfriends/wives can be heard practically anywhere. Is it possible that these people exhibited any kind of behavior indicating that they were abusive/deadbeats? Perhaps that is not the case. It is possible that someone could seduce another person with charm and charisma and then reveal their abusive behavior after they are well into a relationship. But I look at some of these significant others that are so messed up in the head it would amaze me that there wasn't some kind of sign of this ahead of time. These are people that I could tell were messed up after spending even 5 minutes talking with them.
What puzzles me is how the common view is always that the person that winds up with these horrible significant others is considered to be the victim 100%. Rarely do I hear anyone speaking out against these 'victims' and how they chose such a horrible significant other to bear children with. Why is it that absolutely no responsibility can be placed on these 'victims?' This is not to say that the abuse can be justified, but that it is ridiculous that they wound up with that person in the first place. To go even further, however, these victims (especially women) can never seem to get away from their abusive significant other. They just seem to continue going back for more like a punching bag.
The other behavior that seems to be rampantly common (even among families that have somewhat decent parents) is the complete lack of financial planning for children. One of the most expensive things (or even the most expensive thing) that these people acquire is about to come along and it seems like a great number of them don't even spend a single day planning how they are going to pay for it. They just get so obsessed with having the kid they can't seem to be bothered with the financial details.
So we have as a common syndrome of child bearing in society:
1. Lack of proper usage of contraceptives
2. Tendencies towards abusive partners
3. Lack of proper financial planning for the children
In my conversations with leftists on these issue I get nothing but the runaround. I hear heartfelt pleas for the mothers, proclamations that the poor have a right to have as many children as they want at the rest of society's expense and ad hominem attacks claiming that I am a bigot, a racist and have no grounds for bringing such issues up due to the lack of experience in child rearing. Actually, the most common rhetorical question I receive is "So you think only the rich should have kids, right?" Of course, this implies that only the rich are capable of properly using contraceptives, avoiding abusive spouses and properly planning financially for their kids.
My view is that the left doesn't want to acknowledge that people are not mere automatons incapable of keeping their genitalia away from abusive spouses. If they did then their entire belief system would come into question. They would actually have to recognize that people consciously play a role in the situation they end up in. Now the welfare state comes into question and so on.
Some of them actually admit that these people made bad judgments and messed up big time. Their claim though is that the kids are already here and the state should help them out. To that I reply that why is it the state's role to clean up after the fact? Shouldn't the state try to nip this problem at the bud rather than clean up afterwards? Where are the programs for promoting and distributing contraceptives? Where are the programs for educating people on how to pick better spouses? Where are the programs for helping people learn how to properly plan financially for these children?
When I ask these questions it just goes right back to being a bigot and insulting that I should suggest that the state ever set up programs.
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