The law vs the greater good

[CycloWizard]

We all know this. Company makes money, there is no problem there.

But if a company in India can make life saving drugs at a fraction of the price as the big companies, you do not see price gouging there?

How can company A sale a pill for 50 cents, but company B wants to charge $100 for the same exact pill?

Of COURSE some random company can produce it for low costs after the drug has already been developed. If you toss out costs due to R&D and clinical trials, then the parent company could practically make it rain this drug in the streets. You either suck at math or are horribly myopic.

 

[soulcougher73]

Bwahahahahahah... you are either unbelievably naive or simply stupid.

No id just like to see humanity evolve someday to being better than it currently is.

You can fight for the crap we have now though. Up to you.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Do you believe that individuals or companies should be allowed to patent their ideas? Do you understand why patents are important? How many drugs do you think would be developed in a world without patents? IMO the US should not honor patents from countries that do not respect US drug patents.

You're an ignorant, worthless pile of dog shit.

Inventions happened before patents...every bit as many if not more. They will happen after patents.

The need to create is a human imperative, having NOTHING to do with money. The ability to create is a facet of human genius, having little to do with money. Most major achievements are accomplished by hobbyists, or professionals working on their own rather than in funded endeavors.

The mindset of greed is nothing but pure evil, from people who do not deserve to draw breath. Fuck them, and fuck you if you support them.

 

[Texashiker]

Of COURSE some random company can produce it for low costs after the drug has already been developed. If you toss out costs due to R&D and clinical trials, then the parent company could practically make it rain this drug in the streets. You either suck at math or are horribly myopic.

Why cant nations produce the drug for their own internal use?

This goes back to the greater good issue.

Company A spends a lot of time and money making the drug, so the cost is out of reach of a poor peasant in india.

Why should that person have to suffer when there is a solution?

 

[PokerGuy]

No id just like to see humanity evolve someday to being better than it currently is.

Ok, horribly naive it is.

You can fight for the crap we have now though. Up to you.

What you're basically saying is "you can fight against human nature wired into humans for hundreds of thousands of years, or you can naively think people will change magically".

 

[Matt1970]

That's what you get when you have the greediest of the greedy business people controlling healthcare instead of doctors, researchers, scientists, pharmacists, etc. PROFIT instead of profit.

Thank god Obamacare is going to fix all of this !!! And then we can all dance in the street and celebrate while flying unicorns give free rides to the lepricons.......

 

[nehalem256]

No id just like to see humanity evolve someday to being better than it currently is.

You can fight for the crap we have now though. Up to you.

You seem to think that people will evolve to work for fun. Funny how you seem to think Doctors will do that. But what about Janitors and Waiters and Garbage men. Maybe they should work for the sheer joy of the job too

 

[CycloWizard]

You're an ignorant, worthless pile of dog shit.

Inventions happened before patents...every bit as many if not more. They will happen after patents.

The need to create is a human imperative, having NOTHING to do with money. The ability to create is a facet of human genius, having little to do with money. Most major achievements are accomplished by hobbyists, or professionals working on their own rather than in funded endeavors.

This is factually wrong. Without looking up the exact number, I can safely say that over 99% of the inventions in history have occurred after patent protections began. Does your statement make you "an ignorant, worthless pile of dogshit" since you throw out ridiculous statements without even considering reality? Grow up.

 

[diesbudt]

And then we can all dance in the street and celebrate while flying unicorns give free rides to the lepricons.......

I cannot wait.

I will fly my unicorn to candy mountain.

 

[nehalem256]

You're an ignorant, worthless pile of dog shit.

Inventions happened before patents...every bit as many if not more. They will happen after patents.

The need to create is a human imperative, having NOTHING to do with money. The ability to create is a facet of human genius, having little to do with money. Most major achievements are accomplished by hobbyists, or professionals working on their own rather than in funded endeavors.

So why doesn't India create their own HIV drugs instead of stealing ours?

 

[PokerGuy]

Why cant nations produce the drug for their own internal use?

Because it is still theft and those that actually develop the drugs will not have the same incentive to continue to do so, thus harming everyone.

Why should that person have to suffer when there is a solution?

Because without money to pay for the R&D, the drug won't even exist and then neither the peasant nor anyone else will have access to it. What is better for the greater good, some having access to it, or none having access to it?

 

[PokerGuy]

Inventions happened before patents...every bit as many if not more. They will happen after patents.

The need to create is a human imperative, having NOTHING to do with money. The ability to create is a facet of human genius, having little to do with money. Most major achievements are accomplished by hobbyists, or professionals working on their own rather than in funded endeavors.

Sorry, but that's just naive fantasyland. It doesn't just take an idea, it takes experimentation, chemical work, analysis, clinical trials etc. None of those things are free or cheap. Someone has to pay for them. Take away the compensation, and those things stop happening.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Why cant nations produce the drug for their own internal use?

This goes back to the greater good issue.

Company A spends a lot of time and money making the drug, so the cost is out of reach of a poor peasant in india.

Why should that person have to suffer when there is a solution?

Then let those nations spend the money to research, develop and manufacturer their own drugs, don't steal it from others.

I hope you donate to charity all of the money that you make after covering your costs.

 

[Texashiker]

Because without money to pay for the R&D, the drug won't even exist and then neither the peasant nor anyone else will have access to it. What is better for the greater good, some having access to it, or none having access to it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-horrifying-hidden-sto_b_251365.html

A detailed study by Dr Marcia Angell, the former editor of the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine, says that only 14 percent of their budgets go on developing drugs

So making billions every year is not enough?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fb4c517e-da6b-11e1-a413-00144feab49a.html#axzz24CnYw5uh

Even after R&D, wages, payments to stockholders, companies still bring in a nice profit.

So how much is enough?

How much money does a company have to make before they can show a little compassion?

 

[nehalem256]

Why cant nations produce the drug for their own internal use?

This goes back to the greater good issue.

Company A spends a lot of time and money making the drug, so the cost is out of reach of a poor peasant in india.

Why should that person have to suffer when there is a solution?

No wonder we have such a large trade deficit.

India is free to develop their own drugs and produce them for their own internal use.

 

[PrinceofWands]

This is factually wrong. Without looking up the exact number, I can safely say that over 99% of the inventions in history have occurred after patent protections began. Does your statement make you "an ignorant, worthless pile of dogshit" since you throw out ridiculous statements without even considering reality? Grow up.

No, you can't safely say that, since most everything that exists was invented before patents. Clothing, tools, buildings, science, thought, art, etc.

REFINEMENTS have happened since patents, and some few major accomplishments, but again many/most have been hobbyists or unfunded projects.

You're an idiot. Fuck off.

 

[CPA]

Yes, yes, and yes.

But, when you need something to stay alive, should a company be allowed to charge whatever they want?

What right does a company have to control your life?

And its not just your life, its public health in general. Tuberculosis is still out there, killing people everyday.

How is anyone controlling your life? With your logic, the drug companies would be just as much at fault for not finding a cure.

 

[PrinceofWands]

So why doesn't India create their own HIV drugs instead of stealing ours?

I'm sure they will at some point...just a matter of random chance putting a genius with a talent in that field there. Until that happens everyone has an absolute right to try and live, so obviously they're going to do ANYTHING necessary to make that happen.

 

[Texashiker]

How is anyone controlling your life? With your logic, the drug companies would be just as much at fault for not finding a cure.

Do you take an maintenance medications?

 

[nehalem256]

I'm sure they will at some point...just a matter of random chance putting a genius with a talent in that field there. Until that happens everyone has an absolute right to try and live, so obviously they're going to do ANYTHING necessary to make that happen.

They have 4 times the population of the US. It should be easy.

 

[CPA]

So how much is enough?

How much money does a company have to make before they can show a little compassion?

Tex, I usually enjoy your posts, but this is just ridiculous "feel good" nonsense.

What's a "little compassion" to you is "not enough" to someone else. You can't base business decisions on "compassion". Too many times governments do and look what it's done to countless countries.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Sorry, but that's just naive fantasyland. It doesn't just take an idea, it takes experimentation, chemical work, analysis, clinical trials etc. None of those things are free or cheap. Someone has to pay for them. Take away the compensation, and those things stop happening.

Bull
Fucking
Shit

Has never been true, will never be true. Most of the breakthrough inventions of all time have been largely uncompensated, at least to the creators. Things are invented, then some greedy fucktard swoops in and exploits it for personal gain. The inventions, however, happen separate from the earnings.

 

[CPA]

Do you take an maintenance medications?

No, but my son does. What's your point?

 

[xj0hnx]

Strawman that has nothing to do with anything.

Typical.

As is your fantasy that doctors should work for the good feelings.

 

[PokerGuy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-horrifying-hidden-sto_b_251365.html

Sorry, I'm not going to read huffpo drivel. Link to something more credible. Regardless of where/how the money is spent, the reality is that the money is spent creating, developing, testing and producing the drugs.

So making billions every year is not enough?

First, who's definition of "enough" are you going to use? Isn't $40k per year enough for anyone to live from? Why does anyone need more?

Second, if you need $100 billion in capital to make $1 billion in profit, then no, it's not enough because investors will put that $100 billion to other more productive use.

Look, cast aside the utopian drivel for a second. We're seeing this play out right now with antibiotics and vaccines. The monetary incentives for creating new antibiotics or producing vaccines isn't there anymore, and lo and behold, we're not getting a lot of newer more effective antibiotics.

It's all about the incentives.