The lattest gallup poll makes me sad.

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: senseamp
At least 39% got it right that he's inexperienced/unqualified.

Unlike our current president - or, we could consider experience a good thing, and that Cheney would be a fine president.

So you think we need to repeat the experience of last 8 years and elect another lightweight?

This also makes me similarly sad, eskimospy, this partisan blindness and willful disregard for truth. Obama is such a light weight that he's ahead of Hillary as the Democratic candidate. He came from nowhere and has blown her out of the water. He has a better organization, all recently created instead of long in the tooth. He has more money. He has more delegates. He leads in the popular vote. He is going to win, but he's a light weight. I guess he's going to be hell on wheels when he does get his real footing.

Vote for Hillary. The sky is not blue and grass isn't green. Real fucking sad.

 

[jpeyton]

The only numbers that matter:

Who do you LEAST want to see elected as president this year?

McCain: 40%
Hillary: 36%
Obama: 20%

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: OrByte
I think 12% is a good number.

Frankly there are dumb people out there...and nothing you say or do can change that. I am surprised the number isn't higher.

agreed. the dumb people are also present in the 23% who won't vote for McCain because "He is a republican"

I'm surprised that number is not higher as well.

Exactly wrong. Not voting for McCain because he's a Republican, when the Republican party represents so many *relevant* issues, is entirely different than religion and race.

Wrong again. Dumb knows no boundaries, and is not limited to issues of race and religion. That said, if what you're saying is true, in this case the voter would not be voting for McCain because of those relevant issues, many of which are represented in the other choices in the survey. These voters are not voting only because there is a letter R next to his name, as opposed to any stance on the issues McCain might have.


and that's just dumb.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The only numbers that matter:

Who do you LEAST want to see elected as president this year?

McCain: 40%
Hillary: 36%
Obama: 20%

40% < 56%

McCain wins.

Obama and his past/preacher are going to get slammed so hard that no sane person will vote for him.

-edit-
And you can't say he isn't muslim based on the influence of his pastor and wrights ties to radical islamists like farakahn.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The only numbers that matter:

Who do you LEAST want to see elected as president this year?

McCain: 40%
Hillary: 36%
Obama: 20%

40% < 56%

McCain wins.

Obama and his past/preacher are going to get slammed so hard that no sane person will vote for him.

-edit-
And you can't say he isn't muslim based on the influence of his pastor and wrights ties to radical islamists like farakahn.

I bet I can top sad.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: OrByte
I think 12% is a good number.

Frankly there are dumb people out there...and nothing you say or do can change that. I am surprised the number isn't higher.

agreed. the dumb people are also present in the 23% who won't vote for McCain because "He is a republican"

I'm surprised that number is not higher as well.

Exactly wrong. Not voting for McCain because he's a Republican, when the Republican party represents so many *relevant* issues, is entirely different than religion and race.

Wrong again. Dumb knows no boundaries, and is not limited to issues of race and religion. That said, if what you're saying is true, in this case the voter would not be voting for McCain because of those relevant issues, many of which are represented in the other choices in the survey. These voters are not voting only because there is a letter R next to his name, as opposed to any stance on the issues McCain might have.


and that's just dumb.

McCain votes with the Republican majority almost 90% of the time. When someone tells you that they are a Republican or Democrat, that carries with it a fairly large amount of information about their likely policy views. McCain holds with Republican orthodoxy on nearly every single one of them with the possible exception of immigration. Opposing McCain because he is a member of the political party whose ideals you almost completely disagree with seems pretty valid to me.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The only numbers that matter:

Who do you LEAST want to see elected as president this year?

McCain: 40%
Hillary: 36%
Obama: 20%

40% < 56%

McCain wins.

Obama and his past/preacher are going to get slammed so hard that no sane person will vote for him.

-edit-
And you can't say he isn't muslim based on the influence of his pastor and wrights ties to radical islamists like farakahn.

That's some pretty sweet math you've got going there. It does explain how you came to the logic for your edit.

Yes Moonie, this has gone past sad. I would have to say that Spidey07 is a bit of a special case though. This is not his first time saying something this hilarious.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Latest polls on why people dislike candidates.

For Obama, "disagree with his views" comes in at a whopping 11% of the answers. Do you know what comes in at 12%? "Is a muslim". Fewer people are saying they will vote against him based on the issues then people who are saying they will vote against him based on made up insane crap that was debunked months ago.

This made me sad.

Say a lie enough, and it becomes the truth. That, or just have the right person say it once.

A stupid populace is much easier to control. A willfully ignorant populace is a politician's wet dream.

Originally posted by: piasabird
So if Hillary becomes president, will she decide who to bomb based on her Menstrual Cycle?

Just dont piss me off, Or I will bomb you . . . .

I just want to kill something because I am bloated and in pain . . . Pass the Midol or Die General!

This would make a good skit for Saturday Night Live.

Versus men who tend to kill because either of a minor threat to their ego, or because Testosterone in Blood > 0%.

Originally posted by: Lonyo
...
People are idiots for not wanting to vote for a woman because she's a woman.
...

Likewise, people are idiots for wanting to vote for a woman only because she's a woman. That's being just as sexist as the other - making a political choice based solely on the candidate's gender.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The only numbers that matter:

Who do you LEAST want to see elected as president this year?

McCain: 40%
Hillary: 36%
Obama: 20%

40% < 56%

McCain wins.

Obama and his past/preacher are going to get slammed so hard that no sane person will vote for him.

-edit-
And you can't say he isn't muslim based on the influence of his pastor and wrights ties to radical islamists like farakahn.

hehehe. statistics and polling don't work that way Spidey..sorry to say.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: OrByte
hehehe. statistics and polling don't work that way Spidey..sorry to say.

I don't know, I took it as a very positive sign. 56% of people don't want a democrat.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: spidey07

And you can't say he isn't muslim based on the influence of his pastor and wrights ties to radical islamists like farakahn.

:Q

With that logic, I suppose I also can't say Obama isn't a pastor...

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: OrByte
I think 12% is a good number.

Frankly there are dumb people out there...and nothing you say or do can change that. I am surprised the number isn't higher.

agreed. the dumb people are also present in the 23% who won't vote for McCain because "He is a republican"

I'm surprised that number is not higher as well.

Exactly wrong. Not voting for McCain because he's a Republican, when the Republican party represents so many *relevant* issues, is entirely different than religion and race.

Wrong again. Dumb knows no boundaries, and is not limited to issues of race and religion. That said, if what you're saying is true, in this case the voter would not be voting for McCain because of those relevant issues, many of which are represented in the other choices in the survey. These voters are not voting only because there is a letter R next to his name, as opposed to any stance on the issues McCain might have.


and that's just dumb.

McCain votes with the Republican majority almost 90% of the time. When someone tells you that they are a Republican or Democrat, that carries with it a fairly large amount of information about their likely policy views. McCain holds with Republican orthodoxy on nearly every single one of them with the possible exception of immigration. Opposing McCain because he is a member of the political party whose ideals you almost completely disagree with seems pretty valid to me.

Agreed, which is why you'd choose the option directly below the "He is a Republican" option.

Thanks for proving my point. McCain's voting record SHOULD be looked at. much moreso than the R next to his name should be looked at.

An informed voter votes on the candidates' stance on the issues, not the party which the candidate represents. Otherwise, why even look at the issues or voting record? Why not just pull the (D) lever across the board and be done with it?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The only numbers that matter:

Who do you LEAST want to see elected as president this year?

McCain: 40%
Hillary: 36%
Obama: 20%

40% < 56%

McCain wins.

Obama and his past/preacher are going to get slammed so hard that no sane person will vote for him.

-edit-
And you can't say he isn't muslim based on the influence of his pastor and wrights ties to radical islamists like farakahn.

:laugh:

Read this, and do us all a favor next time you want to comment on statistics.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Agreed, which is why you'd choose the option directly below the "He is a Republican" option.

Thanks for proving my point. McCain's voting record SHOULD be looked at. much moreso than the R next to his name should be looked at.

An informed voter votes on the candidates' stance on the issues, not the party which the candidate represents. Otherwise, why even look at the issues or voting record? Why not just pull the (D) lever across the board and be done with it?

You could select more then one option, so someone could have selected both. In addition, the two options are similar enough that there could be some overlap from people that meant the same thing.

Sure a voter could learn about each of the issues and where McCain stands on them. This would certainly be the best option. He could also assume McCain's stances on the main issues by virtue of what party he represents. You know what? In both cases he would come out with nearly identical information. (there are a couple of exceptions, but not that many.. despite his reputation he is an extremely conservative senator.)

Not wanting to vote for someone because of their party might betray a shallow view of politics, but it is certainly a decision based on a hostility to a certain ideology. It is fundamentally issue based no matter how far someone has gone beyond that. Not voting for someone because 'he's a muslim' is not issue based.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Latest polls on why people dislike candidates.

For Obama, "disagree with his views" comes in at a whopping 11% of the answers. Do you know what comes in at 12%? "Is a muslim". Fewer people are saying they will vote against him based on the issues then people who are saying they will vote against him based on made up insane crap that was debunked months ago.

This made me sad.

It gets worse. How many of that 8% who say they "dislike his religious affiliation" are actually quite sure that he's a Muslim?

 

[jonks]

Intuition tells me that since we're in a crap economy, involved in an unpopular drawn out war, had 8 years of a president with crap approval ratings, and 81% of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction, that the incumbent party would have zero chance at the white house.

US News examines my intuition and posits things may not be as cut and dry as all that:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/ca...heres-a-recession.html

Cliffs: though they probably have an advantage, not a slam dunk for the dems in 08

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Intuition tells me that since we're in a crap economy, involved in an unpopular drawn out war, had 8 years of a president with crap approval ratings, and 81% of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction, that the incumbent party would have zero chance at the white house.

US News examines my intuition and posits things may not be as cut and dry as all that:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/ca...heres-a-recession.html

Cliffs: though they probably have an advantage, not a slam dunk for the dems in 08

The truth is that the dems should have a slam dunk, but they've decided to narrow down the list of potential candidates to two close-to-unelectable people. Hillary is simply too polarizing, the majority of the country can't stand her. Obama is (half) black, has ties to very unsavory people (Wright, Farakan), has no meaningful experience etc etc. All they had to do was nominate a 'safe' candidate and they had it made.

Even though I'm a conservative by nature, I'm so disgusted by what has become of the republican party over the past 8 years under the Bush admin that I would consider <gasp> voting democratic. However, there's absolutely no chance that I would vote for Hillary or Obama, so McCain wins my vote by default.

 

[spittledip]

Hehe, people think Barack is an undercover Muslim