The last days of the GOP. Is the US becoming a one party state?

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ivwshane

Lifer
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Ouch, that hurts, coming from you.

I'm sure what I say or what anyone says who points out your illogical thinking has exactly zero impact on you. Which is why I don't write my posts for you, I write them for the people that read your posts who might be tempted to be persuaded by your "arguments". Well that and I like pointing out your hypocrisy and how full of shit your "principles" really are, but that's just a guilty pleasure.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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Typical distortion and ignorance from you.

Explain how that was distortion?


Also, as your so concerned about them and obviously well informed, explain how Sharia courts work in the UK. Extra marks for pointing out that they are non binding unless you agree with the result, only concern civil matters, don't over rule any laws of the land and are voluntary to attend.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
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I'm sure what I say or what anyone says who points out your illogical thinking has exactly zero impact on you. Which is why I don't write my posts for you, I write them for the people that read your posts who might be tempted to be persuaded by your "arguments". Well that and I like pointing out your hypocrisy and how full of shit your "principles" really are, but that's just a guilty pleasure.
Yeah, because we have a bunch of new people on here that don't know our respective sides and posting habits.

You're one tricky guy. Keep fighting the good fight.
 

bshole

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Also, as your so concerned about them and obviously well informed, explain how Sharia courts work in the UK. Extra marks for pointing out that they are non binding unless you agree with the result, only concern civil matters, don't over rule any laws of the land and are voluntary to attend.

Maybe so, but they are still the camel getting its nose into the tent. Sharia law has NO place in any first world nation. A secular country that bows to FAILED worldviews that impede science and progress is skating on extremely thin ice. It is begging for trouble. You are an intelligent guy who makes tons of insightful posts, I am sure you can recognize the danger.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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It isn't that simple. For one, income tax is primarily a payroll tax. Not many people making more than $250k/year make their money via payroll.

For another, people making the equivalent of 0-32,000 / year were taxed at 20%. Today they pay 10 to 15 % and have a butt load of deductions they didn't have back then.


You need to read this :

http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/24489

In 1940 people making the equivalent of 68,000 / year were taxed at 4%. That's right, 4%. In 1941 it was 20%.

Lets be clear here. The high tax rates were put in place to fund World War 2. Who was taxed was also greatly expanded.





And here's another example :



And the conclusion :

You have a remarkable ability to draw false conclusions from highly selective sources.

Your author's discussion of quintiles is meaningless wrt the financial elite, who hide in the top 1%, let alone the top 20%. The analysis is utterly superficial in that regard, your conclusions therefore specious.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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Maybe so, but they are still the camel getting its nose into the tent. Sharia law has NO place in any first world nation. A secular country that bows to FAILED worldviews that impede science and progress is skating on extremely thin ice. It is begging for trouble. You are an intelligent guy who makes tons of insightful posts, I am sure you can recognize the danger.
Not seeing what the problem is.

https://fullfact.org/law/uk_sharia_courts-39429
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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You notice he doesn't "condemn" other religious courts in existence today around the world and in the U.S., such as the Jewish or Catholic religious courts.
I don't think that it's a racism thing, I just think that few people have invested a lot in twisting the reality of the situation and a lot of people have believed and repeated that lie.
The original people that twisted the situation are no doubt racist but I don't think that you can blame others for being outraged at the false reality.
 

TheSlamma

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Sadly the best times for this country economically was under Eisenhower and Kennedy when the tax rate for those making over $200,000 was 90%. $200,000 would be what in today's terms.. $4,000,000?

But try telling that to congress now who's working for those making over $4,000,000 and not for us.
It's nice to see someone that recognizes the best one-two punch this country ever had. :thumbsup:

but sadly will probably ever have had.
 

bshole

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You don't see a problem with delusional people attempting to regulate the lives of others (using voices in their head that they think are god as the guide)?

Basing morality on God's command is a quite dangerous proposition. You can justify any evil by falling back on God told me to do it.

I would prefer a more rational basis for morality be used for the whole of society.
 

ElFenix

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You don't see a problem with delusional people attempting to regulate the lives of others (using voices in their head that they think are god as the guide)?

Basing morality on God's command is a quite dangerous proposition. You can justify any evil by falling back on God told me to do it.

I would prefer a more rational basis for morality be used for the whole of society.

you should read the link and understand that most or all of it is perfectly acceptable in the US as well.

if a pakistani grocer and a pakistani grocery supplier want to arbitrate any dispute related to their supply contract under sharia arbitration, it's legal for them to do so (so long as punishment doesn't run afoul of other applicable laws, such as cutting off a hand or something - i doubt it would).

same with marriage. if someone decided to get married under sharia tradition and happened to pick an officiant who was not licensed by the state, then they would be religiously married but not civilly married (though common law status would not be far off). and once civilly married, if they got divorced under sharia law, that settlement might be very persuasive to the family court, but not necessarily binding (again, still can't run afoul of other applicable laws).

now, if your argument is that the morality of a iron age hill people doesn't necessarily apply to a cosmopolitan land of comparative plenty, then i might agree with you.

take, for example, pre-marital sex. in a society with complicated family webs forming the basis of society, in which excess mouths to feed would cause considerable stress on the tribe as a whole, then pre-marital sex could be a problem (also keep in mind that marriage likely occurred much earlier in people's lives, not much pre-marital sex happens when horny teenagers are already married).

but in a society with ready access to birth control methods and comparative plenty, does iron age morality still apply? that's a good question.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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You don't see a problem with delusional people attempting to regulate the lives of others (using voices in their head that they think are god as the guide)?

Basing morality on God's command is a quite dangerous proposition. You can justify any evil by falling back on God told me to do it.



Unless you want to completely ban religion I'm not seeing how you could change that.

As long as these "courts" are voluntary, don't trump any laws of the land, and are subservient to national laws I really can't see what the complaint is.


I would prefer a more rational basis for morality be used for the whole of society.

These have nothing to do with the whole of society.
 

werepossum

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Maybe so, but they are still the camel getting its nose into the tent. Sharia law has NO place in any first world nation. A secular country that bows to FAILED worldviews that impede science and progress is skating on extremely thin ice. It is begging for trouble. You are an intelligent guy who makes tons of insightful posts, I am sure you can recognize the danger.
Well said.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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You don't see a problem with delusional people attempting to regulate the lives of others (using voices in their head that they think are god as the guide)?

Basing morality on God's command is a quite dangerous proposition. You can justify any evil by falling back on God told me to do it.

I would prefer a more rational basis for morality be used for the whole of society.

Umm how does this not qualify as a problem for every Republican candidate who preaches God more than the next Republican candidate?
 

buckshot24

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You don't see a problem with delusional people attempting to regulate the lives of others (using voices in their head that they think are god as the guide)?
How about people who think genetic copying errors and selection were their creator?