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The L.D.S. and the Mountain Meadows Massacre

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Brutuskend

Lifer
THE MASSACRE
The entire truth will probably never be known because most of the documents and diaries of the participants were destroyed. The surviving children were able to supply details on the massacre itself, however.

Bishop John D. Lee approached the train under a flag of truce and convinced the pioneers that he had persuaded the Indians to let them go if they would leave their wagons and possessions to the Indians. After deliberating, the suffering group could find no other way out and they agreed. The pioneers were told that it should appear to the Indians that they were the Mormon's prisoners. Lee sent in a wagon and the emigrants' weapons were loaded in to it. The wounded were then loaded into two wagons and two other wagons were loaded with the youngest of the children. These wagons left first followed by the women and older children on foot. The men were lined up single file, and parallel to a single file of Mormon Militiamen and this group followed about a quarter of a mile behind. As the group moved out, the waiting Indians moved in and began to loot the goods the pioneers had left behind. A short distance later, Lee rose up in his stirrups and shouted "Do your duty!" and each Mormon shot the member of the train standing next to him. At about the same time up ahead, Mormon Militia disguised as Indians, and the real Indians, moved in on the women and older children, shooting, clubbing and axing them to death.
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Link to the full story

Simply amazing...
 
I watched that show at around 3:00am this morning on The History Channel. Trippy, trippy story that I had never heard of before.


Thanks for the link. I was planning on looking into it more.
 
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Ok, so they were Mormons that went bad. Not justified or excusable by any means.
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They use something called 'blood atonement' as their justification. Apparently, blood atonement is mentioned within the Book of Mormon, but I honestly don't know how it is typically viewed.

 
Statement by John D. Lee
Who was executed as scapegoat for the massacre

"I had many to assist me at the Mountain Meadows. I believe that most of those who were connected with the Massacre, and took part in the lamentable transaction that has blackened the character of all who were aiders or abettors in the same, were acting under the impression that they were performing a religious duty. I know all were acting under the orders and by the command of their Church leaders; and I firmly believe that the most of those who took part in the proceedings, considered it a religious duty to unquestioningly obey the orders which they had received. That they acted from a sense of duty to the Mormon Church." (...Life and Confessions of John D. Lee..., p. 213)
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Read up
 
I'm not a big defender of Joe Smith and the early Momo church, but they did get a lot of crap from people in the early days especially in Missouri, partly because they were friendly to Indians and favored abolution. They were still nuts to follow a guy who supposedly got "God's word" by looking into a hat, but there are plenty of examples of similar groups who followed nutty people (Mohammed, L. Ron, John Brown, etc) throughout human history.
 
Originally posted by: Daaavo
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Originally posted by: Daaavo
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Ok, so they were Mormons that went bad. Not justified or excusable by any means.
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They use something called 'blood atonement' as they're justification. Apparently, blood atonement is mentioned within the Book of Mormon, but I honestly don't know how it is typically viewed.
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:roll:

Info about the so-called "blood atonement"
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Right back at you.
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Right back at ya, sweet cheeks:

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here too 🙂

Your Friend In Christ,
bobbybe01

 
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Crazies abounded back then is seems.

But then religious zealots have and always will be a problem to civilized society I guess...
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Crazy people have been around since the dawn of mankind(i.e. Cain), but your second theory is too specific. Any zealout for any insane cause, be it religious or otherwise, can do crazy things. Zealots are not necessarily wrong, it's the cause that can be wrong.
 
So I know this guy at work who reads ATOT at work . . . so he sends another co-work who is mormon an email about this event while CC'n me. Well . . The co-worker replies referencing this event as a dark part of the mormon history and explicitly states that he does not want any more emails like this sent. The original sender has to get up and go kiss the guy's ass stating that he saw this on history channel and wanted to know about it, being such a "history buff" of mormon events. . . . I laughed . . becuase I originally told him that he should do that at work.
 
a terrible event, but turning it into a reason to hate or feel superior isn't the right way to remember the victims.

 
Originally posted by: Tom
a terrible event, but turning it into a reason to hate or feel superior isn't the right way to remember the victims.
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Nope, but it's a good reminder to watch your ass around religious zealots of any flavor.
 
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