The killer gaming nic :laugh;

[Journer]

ZOMFG!!!111!!!ONE!!! 3DMARK SCARE +100,000!!!!!!!!111111!!!!

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: L1FE

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: L1FE
The target market is the same as those who buy $500 video cards, $400 XMS ram sticks...etc etc

Um no. You actually see some benefits from getting a higher end video card and memory. Their target is Alienware buyers.

Hell at least Alienware gives you a cool case to look at. Even with a windowed case, you'd have to be bent upside down or tilting the case over to even get a poor angle view of the heatsink on this card (although with a BTX windowed case it might be easier to see).

And if you read the article you'd have seen that you get framerate and ping benefits from getting the NIC because the network logic is being handled by Linux loaded on the onboard memory. And you failed to see the analogy in the sense that you get marginal fps benefits from the highest end video cards and memory, and the high price tag is comparable to squeezing out that last bit of performance.

Listen L1FE, I have a REALLY sweet bridge to sell you. Don't worry, judging by your responses, I know you want to be the first one in line to purchase it. I think I have a few people commenting on how great of a bridge it is just incase you had any doubts if I actually had one. I might be able to even provide some benchmarks comparing it to other bridges my friends have. It even has a heatsink on it.

And your analogy fails because you get NO benefits from this NIC. That is the whole joke.

Translation: I believe whatever I want to so hate hate hate hate hate

Like I said, I'm sure the benefits are marginal. But everything on the net so far has shown that however minimal a benefit it is from dropping your ping from 50ms to 40ms, and raising your frame rate from 85fps to 87fps, it still is a net gain. It has a 400mhz processor on it, that can run its own apps - firewall, anti-virus, hell, maybe even bittorrent.

I sure as hell ain't going to pay $300 for a glorified NIC. But I'm sure as hell not going to spend $800 on a dual graphics card just so I can run at a higher resolution either. Doesn't mean I'm gonna hate on those that do.

No the translation is: You have no idea what you're talking about so quit commenting on things you know nothing about.

Your analogies are AWFUL. Let me see if I can be just a little bit clearer. You will get ZERO performance benefits from this card. ZERO. Not minimal, not one extra FPS, nothing. People buy $1000 video solutions because they want to play at a higher resolution with more eye candy. They actually get SOMETHING out of their purchase. The same with memory and high end CPUs. With this card you get NOTHING in the form of performance. NOTHING. And if you think you do, like I said, I have a bridge to sell you. You won't be able to tell the difference between the built in Intel Gigabit NIC and this crap. Guaranteed.

I can't believe I'm even arguing about this.

Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this? If logic plays a factor in anything you believe in, then logic would point out that the more is off loaded from the CPU the better performance you'll get in your games. It may not be much from this killer NIC card but I don't think it's impossible to see a performance difference. When I first saw it I thought the same thing, but reading about it seems to explain why there would be any performance increase at all. I'd keep your mouth shut in the mean time before you begin to look like a pompous ass.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this?

you just won't. NICs aren't even a CPU-intensive device in the first place.

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this?

you just won't. NICs aren't even a CPU-intensive device in the first place.

LIESZZZZZZ!!! I PAID $250 THEREFORE IT MAKES MY LAG TIME GO DOWN TO POOP CHUTE!!!!!!!!!! >(

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this?

you just won't. NICs aren't even a CPU-intensive device in the first place.

No kidding, they had integrated nics on Pentium pro computers, nonetheless, it's still possible to see a preformance improvement, just like with onboard audio and external solutions. Also they say it avoids the TCP stack completely in windows and offloads the high overhead (relatively) from the processor.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: BD2003
Will you please STOP trying to spout off your opinion as fact? If you know so much about it, prove it wrong with at least a drop of empirical evidence, rather than just driveling over and over how you assume it makes ZERO difference.

You're making yourself look dumber every time you post. Please stop, for your own sake. You're asking for proof of why a freakin' gigabit nic with a processor and cool heatsink won't perform any better than a built in gigabit nic going through a connection that is typically 6Mbps/512Kbps-1Mbps and has to pass through several hops to reach its destination and back? Are you really asking that question?

The only way you'd be able to control the environment is if you built your own LAN. Even with that, a 100Mbps LAN is virtually lag free. We now have gigabit NICs, and with that upgrade you'll need to upgarde to a gigabit switch to take advantage of the extra bandwidth of your NIC. Now, with a true gigabit LAN, you now have NO discernable lag. So tell me, how can this NIC improve over "no discernable lag" in games? Please, I'd like to hear this.

No, you're making yourself look stupid. If you read more than the post you'd replied to, you'd already have your answer per the lag issue.

Under no non-gaming load on your bandwidth, youre absolutely right. That isnt the issue here.

I am now thoroughly convinced you have no idea what you're talking about.

Because you are in your own world, where the only thing that exists is your own ego.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: goku
Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this? If logic plays a factor in anything you believe in, then logic would point out that the more is off loaded from the CPU the better performance you'll get in your games. It may not be much from this killer NIC card but I don't think it's impossible to see a performance difference. When I first saw it I thought the same thing, but reading about it seems to explain why there would be any performance increase at all. I'd keep your mouth shut in the mean time before you begin to look like a pompous ass.

Jesus Christ, this is just getting old now. :roll:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: goku
Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this? If logic plays a factor in anything you believe in, then logic would point out that the more is off loaded from the CPU the better performance you'll get in your games. It may not be much from this killer NIC card but I don't think it's impossible to see a performance difference. When I first saw it I thought the same thing, but reading about it seems to explain why there would be any performance increase at all. I'd keep your mouth shut in the mean time before you begin to look like a pompous ass.

Just stop it. Stop. Just stop. Stop.

If you read their "white paper" and still believe it. Well I don't know the word for somebody that would actually believe it. It's somewhere between moron and dumbass. Probably below them both.

Just stop. Stop it now. Stop the madness.

but here I am, bumping the thread. Giving this BS company with BS claims what they want.

The marketing is to be commended, it's working perfectly. Well done. Well done. But if you purchase this NIC you are a disgrace to the computing community.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: goku
Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this? If logic plays a factor in anything you believe in, then logic would point out that the more is off loaded from the CPU the better performance you'll get in your games. It may not be much from this killer NIC card but I don't think it's impossible to see a performance difference. When I first saw it I thought the same thing, but reading about it seems to explain why there would be any performance increase at all. I'd keep your mouth shut in the mean time before you begin to look like a pompous ass.

Just stop it. Stop. Just stop. Stop.

If you read their "white paper" and still believe it. Well I don't know the word for somebody that would actually believe it. It's somewhere between moron and dumbass. Probably below them both.

Just stop. Stop it now. Stop the madness.

but here I am, bumping the thread. Giving this BS company with BS claims what they want.

The marketing is to be commended, it's working perfectly. Well done. Well done. But if you purchase this NIC you are a disgrace to the computing community.

So by your logic, a dedicated sound card provides no benefit vs. onboard sound?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BD2003
So by your logic, a dedicated sound card provides no benefit vs. onboard sound?

I told you to stop. Just stop.

-edit- you are making a fool of yourself. Just stop.

 

[Goosemaster]

Spidey, Jack...


While I know you are right, and I don't doubt many others do as well, I recommend that you guys refrain from saying much more unless it is brutally technical. These people like to mince words, and they are havign a fielday with you guys.

Basically, just post some numbers for all that ig'nant fools out there

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BD2003
So by your logic, a dedicated sound card provides no benefit vs. onboard sound?

I told you to stop. Just stop.

-edit- you are making a fool of yourself. Just stop.

If you're so high and mighty, why even reply?

It's a simple question. If you can't answer it, I'll assume you'd rather not walk into your own obvious logic inconsistancy.

 

[spidey07]

Goose,

Trying to explain networking to PC guys is an effort in futility. They just don't get it.

I'll let some smart person do the math...

1) Calculate the serialiazation on a common 100 Base-T network.
2) Calculate the the propogation delay on the length of the cable
3) Calculate the hold time/delay of a typical broadband modem.
4) Calculate the serialzation plus latency to the next hop.
5) repeat until you reach the destination.
6) You have now determined end-to-end latency, from the switching delay in ideal situations, with no buffering.

Then prove to me that your NIC can control this. Then do it for the return path.

Until I see pure sniffer analysis of this so called netwok card i will continue to debunk it as "bullcrap"

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: goku
Wait, how do you know that you will not get a performance boost from this? If logic plays a factor in anything you believe in, then logic would point out that the more is off loaded from the CPU the better performance you'll get in your games. It may not be much from this killer NIC card but I don't think it's impossible to see a performance difference. When I first saw it I thought the same thing, but reading about it seems to explain why there would be any performance increase at all. I'd keep your mouth shut in the mean time before you begin to look like a pompous ass.

Just stop it. Stop. Just stop. Stop.

If you read their "white paper" and still believe it. Well I don't know the word for somebody that would actually believe it. It's somewhere between moron and dumbass. Probably below them both.

Just stop. Stop it now. Stop the madness.

but here I am, bumping the thread. Giving this BS company with BS claims what they want.

The marketing is to be commended, it's working perfectly. Well done. Well done. But if you purchase this NIC you are a disgrace to the computing community.

So by your logic, a dedicated sound card provides no benefit vs. onboard sound?

By his logic the killernic whitepaper is marketing BS that is easy recognizable as such due, in large part, to the language that it choices to indulge in.


The thing about soundcards is that there is not only a large amount of processing that can be offloaded, but a large amount of content that is MEANT to be processed using hardware-acceleration. Software is desinged with such thigns in mind (RE: EAX) and if it is not present, you sure as hell should expect lacklsuter performance.

That said, networking is another animal. The amount of data transfered is rather small, and because of that, latency is much more of an issue than sheer brute force number crunching. That said, modern day comptuers deal with network communications qutie efffectively, so to say that a massive boost can be had by 'blowing $$$ on this card' is jsut plain ignorant. Now while there might ne room for improvement, having linux on the card, coming up with snzzy new jargon etc is jsut marketing bullsH!t. Linux is not "better" than a 3com card, and the fact that they tought that for the sake of touting that, and hide this card between a menagerie of arcronynms that could only exists for marketing purpsoes is what ruins this company's credibility.



Frankly, they bothered creating a graph depitcting 'lags per second'

Honestly, at that moment in time when those html files were put into production, the universe stopped, realzied that it had some gas, realzied that it had 'some' blockage, and said html files continue to exist to this day due to constipation.


Lags per second = complete and utter..hell, plain inarguable bullsh!t.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Goose,

Trying to explain networking to PC guys is an effort in futility. They just don't get it.

I'll let some smart person do the math...

1) Calculate the serialiazation on a common 100 Base-T network.
2) Calculate the the propogation delay on the length of the cable
3) Calculate the hold time/delay of a typical broadband modem.
4) Calculate the serialzation plus latency to the next hop.
5) repeat until you reach the destination.
6) You have now determined end-to-end latency, from the switching delay in ideal situations, with no buffering.

Then prove to me that your NIC can control this. Then do it for the return path.

Until I see pure sniffer analysis of this so called netwok card i will continue to debunk it as "bullcrap"

I love how they were arguing incomign latency; sure that discussion could possibly have merit if discussed a certain way, butr the they way they disscussed it, as if this card could control the internet....

it was SOOOOO CUTE:heart:



BTW, to put this issue to bed, if your ISP is provding yoru with 150ms+ of latency off the bat, THER IS ABSOLTUELY, POSITIVEly, NOTHIGN THAT THIS CARD CAN DO WITH YOU:

IE, the BEST OPTION FOR REDUCING LATENCY IS TO START WITH YOUR WAN LINK:|

 

[RelaxTheMind]

since when did $500 video cards only offer marginal performance increases? People with 19"+ screens that play half decent games benefit a lot from expensive gear... This NIC... probably not.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BD2003
So by your logic, a dedicated sound card provides no benefit vs. onboard sound?

I told you to stop. Just stop.

-edit- you are making a fool of yourself. Just stop.

If you're so high and mighty, why even reply?

It's a simple question. If you can't answer it, I'll assume you'd rather not walk into your own obvious logic inconsistancy.

Have you even fvcking visited the networking forum? Do you even know spidey's background?

God damn, I am DONE! These two guys are fvcking morons. They are so dumb, they don't even know they're dumb. Unbelievable.

And Goose, at this stage of the thread, I just don't feel like providing anything else to these two goofs. I'm tired and want to go to bed. Providing any more information will just extend my involvement in this thread and it really has just become a waste of time. Sad to say, some people just want to stay dumb. I think it would be easier for me just to laugh at people that paid for this crap.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Goose,

Trying to explain networking to PC guys is an effort in futility. They just don't get it.

I'll let some smart person do the math...

1) Calculate the serialiazation on a common 100 Base-T network.
2) Calculate the the propogation delay on the length of the cable
3) Calculate the hold time/delay of a typical broadband modem.
4) Calculate the serialzation plus latency to the next hop.
5) repeat until you reach the destination.
6) You have now determined end-to-end latency, from the switching delay in ideal situations, with no buffering.

Then prove to me that your NIC can control this. Then do it for the return path.

Until I see pure sniffer analysis of this so called netwok card i will continue to debunk it as "bullcrap"

And you're still trying to burn down the strawman. I haven't seen anyone here claim that actually believe the unbelieveable, that it will reduce lag when theres no other network traffic present.

You're absolutely right, as you said, under *ideal* conditions. Which aren't always present. When you've got a 500k up/down bittorrent stream choking your connection, it's far from ideal. If it can prioritize the gaming packets, then clearly there will be less lag, under *those conditions*. Can it ACTUALLY do that? I don't know, I dont have one...but the theory is sound. I haven't even read the marketing...lags per second sounds ridiculous.

And regardless of how miniscule the CPU usage of your standard NIC is, it does not take a mathematician to figure out that even 1% more FPS is still a benefit. An absurd one, but not too far from what you'd get by tightening your memory timings.

I know you all want to be right, so badly. And you are, on the points you are making. But that isnt the entire story. It's horrifically overpriced, compared to the admittedly minimal theoretical benefits.

 

[BW86]

rofl @ price

 

[Goosemaster]

Jack, Spidey, I think you guys DO need to go and get some rest.

you do sound a little bit pretentious right now

even if you are right

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BD2003
So by your logic, a dedicated sound card provides no benefit vs. onboard sound?

I told you to stop. Just stop.

-edit- you are making a fool of yourself. Just stop.

If you're so high and mighty, why even reply?

It's a simple question. If you can't answer it, I'll assume you'd rather not walk into your own obvious logic inconsistancy.

Have you even fvcking visited the networking forum? Do you even know spidey's background?

God damn, I am DONE! These two guys are fvcking morons. They are so dumb, they don't even know they're dumb. Unbelievable.

And Goose, at this stage of the thread, I just don't feel like providing anything else to these two goofs. I'm tired and want to go to bed. Providing any more information will just extend my involvement in this thread and it really has just become a waste of time. Sad to say, some people just want to stay dumb. I think it would be easier for me just to laugh at people that paid for for this crap.

It must be so hard being a martyr. And pulling rank doesn't impress me, sorry. You can be right about one thing, and wrong about another thing. The sad thing here is you keep on trying to drive home points that are long conceded.

 

[TheTony]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: vi_edit
But....they have an award winning business plan!

While in business school at the University of Texas, Harlan teamed up with Bob Grim and Mike Cubbage to found Bigfoot Networks. Together they wrote an award winning business plan that won prizes in the Fortune Magazine New Venture contest, the University of Texas MOOT CORP Competition, San Diego State?s Venture Challenge, and the Carnegie Mellon competition.

http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/About.aspx

This is even funnier now!

I'm certainly not going to say this card is worth the money, because it's not. $280 seems quite overpriced to me, even though the idea of 64MB DDR, 400Mhz CPU and a USB port onboard does present a lot of interesting opportunities.

That said, the Harlan guy does have more credentials than were listed on the "about us" page:

Harlan honed his business and technical skills while working at Intel, where he filed over 19 patents in the field of Network Acceleration. As an Architect at Intel, Harlan was responsible for the complete solution for corporate server networking products. After leaving Intel, Harlan joined a start-up called Britestream Networks where he helped develop the first 100% CPU off-load security solution that combines SSL processing with TCP/IP processing on the same chip.

So, he's not just some gamer sick of lag, with a dream. He's also got $4MM in VC :laugh:

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: spidey07
Goose,

Trying to explain networking to PC guys is an effort in futility. They just don't get it.

I'll let some smart person do the math...

1) Calculate the serialiazation on a common 100 Base-T network.
2) Calculate the the propogation delay on the length of the cable
3) Calculate the hold time/delay of a typical broadband modem.
4) Calculate the serialzation plus latency to the next hop.
5) repeat until you reach the destination.
6) You have now determined end-to-end latency, from the switching delay in ideal situations, with no buffering.

Then prove to me that your NIC can control this. Then do it for the return path.

Until I see pure sniffer analysis of this so called netwok card i will continue to debunk it as "bullcrap"

And you're still trying to burn down the strawman. I haven't seen anyone here claim that actually believe the unbelieveable, that it will reduce lag when theres no other network traffic present.

You're absolutely right, as you said, under *ideal* conditions. Which aren't always present. When you've got a 500k up/down bittorrent stream choking your connection, it's far from ideal. If it can prioritize the gaming packets, then clearly there will be less lag, under *those conditions*. Can it ACTUALLY do that? I don't know, I dont have one...but the theory is sound. I haven't even read the marketing...lags per second sounds ridiculous.

And regardless of how miniscule the CPU usage of your standard NIC is, it does not take a mathematician to figure out that even 1% more FPS is still a benefit. An absurd one, but not too far from what you'd get by tightening your memory timings.

I know you all want to be right, so badly. And you are, on the points you are making. But that isnt the entire story. It's horrifically overpriced, compared to the admittedly minimal theoretical benefits.

Any true "gamer" isn't going to purposely take resources away from their comp if they have to. Does this card magically process the bitorrent files for you (perhaps, but its current iteration? NO!) Does it magically take care of disk access when your copy of bf2 is setting up the 1.3GB of files that are going to flood the ram?

So many are defending this thing based on specualtion, and frankly, that is just wrong. Worst of all, it seems that this company has done everything they can to make logical folk who care what the hell crawls out of their wallet, bleed from their rectum.

Their jargon, their whitepaper, their website, their shills.

We've seen it before. Sure we are basing our assumptions on specualtion, but the difference is that we are basign it on knowledge and past experiences as well.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: spidey07
Goose,

Trying to explain networking to PC guys is an effort in futility. They just don't get it.

I'll let some smart person do the math...

1) Calculate the serialiazation on a common 100 Base-T network.
2) Calculate the the propogation delay on the length of the cable
3) Calculate the hold time/delay of a typical broadband modem.
4) Calculate the serialzation plus latency to the next hop.
5) repeat until you reach the destination.
6) You have now determined end-to-end latency, from the switching delay in ideal situations, with no buffering.

Then prove to me that your NIC can control this. Then do it for the return path.

Until I see pure sniffer analysis of this so called netwok card i will continue to debunk it as "bullcrap"

And you're still trying to burn down the strawman. I haven't seen anyone here claim that actually believe the unbelieveable, that it will reduce lag when theres no other network traffic present.

You're absolutely right, as you said, under *ideal* conditions. Which aren't always present. When you've got a 500k up/down bittorrent stream choking your connection, it's far from ideal. If it can prioritize the gaming packets, then clearly there will be less lag, under *those conditions*. Can it ACTUALLY do that? I don't know, I dont have one...but the theory is sound. I haven't even read the marketing...lags per second sounds ridiculous.

And regardless of how miniscule the CPU usage of your standard NIC is, it does not take a mathematician to figure out that even 1% more FPS is still a benefit. An absurd one, but not too far from what you'd get by tightening your memory timings.

I know you all want to be right, so badly. And you are, on the points you are making. But that isnt the entire story. It's horrifically overpriced, compared to the admittedly minimal theoretical benefits.

Any true "gamer" isn't going to purposely take resources away from their comp if they have to. Does this card magically process the bitorrent files for you (perhaps, but its current iteration? NO!) Does it magically take care of disk access when your copy of bf2 is setting up the 1.3GB of files that are going to flood the ram?

So many are defending this thing based on specualtion, and frankly, that is just wrong. Worst of all, it seems that this company has done everything they can to make logical folk who care what the hell crawls out of their wallet, bleed from their rectum.

Their jargon, their whitepaper, their website, their shills.

We've seen it before. Sure we are basing our assumptions on specualtion, but the difference is that we are basign it on knowledge and past experiences as well.

I'm not claiming it can generate any performance benefit but offload the *miniscule* CPU load that your average NIC will generate. Keep throwing up strawmen.

I'm not even defending it. I don't think ANYONE should buy it unless they have money burning a hole in their pocket, and even then, it will still likely be better spent literally being burnt.

An honest question: Say youre transferring a file over the network, that is completely saturating your ethernet connection. Ignore any other bottlenecks such as disk or memory I/O. Ignore even the context of gaming. Assume you want to make a skype call, or surf the net, or any random internet usage.

Under those conditions of the file transfer saturating your connection, wouldn't your internet access be slowed down? Isnt there any sort of prioritization scheme that would let your more crucial packets through when you need them?

 

[Dean]

I heard it was going to be installed in the Phantom Console.