but, but....It's got Lag and Latency Reduction (bullcrapmark pending)
It can actually reshape the Intarweb to get you that extra kill.
It can actually reshape the Intarweb to get you that extra kill.
Rubycon
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Actually I really do believe this can lower your ping. How? Well you have to understand how computer hardware and drivers work. See there is no way to change a parameter (in the desired direction hehe) that's totally out of your control. That's like moving the moon closer to the earth. Not gonna happen.
However a shady engineer / programmer can easily use device drivers - even an LSP to manipulate the results the end users will see. NV has done it in the past with 3D Marks. So yes your pings will APPEAR to drop with this product installed but all it's doing is LYING and making your computer seem closer (which is impossible) to the destination. In the past we had software (SoftRAM 95) that did this and the people were sued for it. Now we're seeing hardware starting to use tricks. Caveat Emptor!
I'm quite a bit more skeptical about it being able to reduce pings for that reason. *Supposedly* it prioritizes gaming packets so they take priority, thus reducing ping under load.
I'm quite a bit less skeptical it'll boost fps. You certainly see an FPS benefit using a good sound card (X-fi) vs. onboard sound, for even the most basic 2d sound. It's minimal, but its there, and I see no reason why an added 400mhz is going to actually slow things down, offloading the entire TCP/IP stack.
I'm most interested in hearing that it supports open source apps...moving the firewall from the cpu to the card, scanning traffic before it even hits main memory, certainly sounds like a benefit.
Maybe when its $50, proven, and I've got a free slot. Until then its a merely interesting idea, on the same shelf as the PPU.
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We have packeteer systems that cost $25k that manage our finite bandwidth available when at sea. It works well to keep everyone reasonably sane. It does nothing for latency so pings are still 700ms average. The LEOSAT system has much lower latency (up to 1/8th of the Saturn-B) but that would be considered by many as excessive. Still, I'd rather be here than there.
I love packeteers.
But the main point is you can't control what happens on the intarweb and it's latency. The mere fact that this card is spewing some of the most blatant bullcrap on how networking functions is beyond me. Hence why it is good for a chuckle.
I still think "lag" is a combination of jitter and latency.
But the main point is you can't control what happens on the intarweb and it's latency. The mere fact that this card is spewing some of the most blatant bullcrap on how networking functions is beyond me. Hence why it is good for a chuckle.
I still think "lag" is a combination of jitter and latency.
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nope...one who buys a $500 gfx card might have some brains....and honestly if i'd to get out to spend $500 on a gfx i'd know WHAT FOR i pay that money. (Higher resolutions, features, FPS, shaders etc.)
I cat see ON EARTH how a $280 NIC card makes any sense nor do i believe AT ALL that this card drops pings 20ms.
ALso..if it WOULD....it would NOT drop pings of players i am playing with online
People who buy this *** obviously have no clue about internet/routers/modems etc.
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for $280 i can very well build/make a small linux box acting as a router, running BT on it or a firewall.
You for sure do NOT want to buy a "gamer's NIC" supposedly dropping your pings..and then use it and run BT to slow your net down.
ANd yes...no matter WHAT their arguments are and how fast this NIC is clocked and BS....it basically comes down to the claim to shape "teh intarnet" and this is definitly IMPOSSIBLE. If i have a ping to another player located in XYZ of, say, 80ms...i want to SEE this in action and proof that it does anything benefitial.
I've never seen PINGs a problem on my HARDWARE side (NIC)...but MUCH rather a problem of network topology, the routers the ISP uses....the whole internet between you and a server. (Again, the pings of OTHERS are another story then
You for sure do NOT want to buy a "gamer's NIC" supposedly dropping your pings..and then use it and run BT to slow your net down.
ANd yes...no matter WHAT their arguments are and how fast this NIC is clocked and BS....it basically comes down to the claim to shape "teh intarnet" and this is definitly IMPOSSIBLE. If i have a ping to another player located in XYZ of, say, 80ms...i want to SEE this in action and proof that it does anything benefitial.
I've never seen PINGs a problem on my HARDWARE side (NIC)...but MUCH rather a problem of network topology, the routers the ISP uses....the whole internet between you and a server. (Again, the pings of OTHERS are another story then
Is having a separate device with independent OS managing network traffic neat? Yes, especially since I wouldn't have to dedicate an entire box to it. Are most of the benefits speculation/marketing hype so far? Absolutely. Is it overpriced? Beyond a doubt. I'd probably shell out $25 to play with it.
I think it's cool. Seems like they came up with the idea of incorporating this configurable network device, and then tried to figure out how they could market it. It's going to appeal to the same people who buy Monster cables.
I think it's cool. Seems like they came up with the idea of incorporating this configurable network device, and then tried to figure out how they could market it. It's going to appeal to the same people who buy Monster cables.
You're making yourself look dumber every time you post. Please stop, for your own sake. You're asking for proof of why a freakin' gigabit nic with a processor and cool heatsink won't perform any better than a built in gigabit nic going through a connection that is typically 6Mbps/512Kbps-1Mbps and has to pass through several hops to reach its destination and back? Are you really asking that question?
The only way you'd be able to control the environment is if you built your own LAN. Even with that, a 100Mbps LAN is virtually lag free. We now have gigabit NICs, and with that upgrade you'll need to upgarde to a gigabit switch to take advantage of the extra bandwidth of your NIC. Now, with a true gigabit LAN, you now have NO discernable lag. So tell me, how can this NIC improve over "no discernable lag" in games? Please, I'd like to hear this.
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Dude, imagine running them in SLI mode! Add some water cooling, and I'd bet you can shoot people in the head before you even click your mouse!
Negative latency, FTW!
No, you're making yourself look stupid. If you read more than the post you'd replied to, you'd already have your answer per the lag issue.
Under no non-gaming load on your bandwidth, youre absolutely right. That isnt the issue here.
So learn about 802.1p/diffserv/queueing theory/quality of service before you post such nonsense.
Just stop it already. Just stop.
... Marketing at it's finest.
Step back into reality and think for a second. An idea so controversial, a $280 NIC that offers negligent performance increase, is being viral marketed by spammers all across the internet. On top of that, add on extra marketing from people who think this idea is humorous. Then add the HardOCP review. Then think about the amount of ignorant rich sheep out there who hear "KillerNIC" all across the web... Next I suspect Alienware will introduce this product on their high end line. It's all about getting the word out, and that's what this product successfully has done: the key is to be controversial enough, regardless of how weak the idea is. Think EON8 and "emo girl suicide".
-The Pentium Guy
Step back into reality and think for a second. An idea so controversial, a $280 NIC that offers negligent performance increase, is being viral marketed by spammers all across the internet. On top of that, add on extra marketing from people who think this idea is humorous. Then add the HardOCP review. Then think about the amount of ignorant rich sheep out there who hear "KillerNIC" all across the web... Next I suspect Alienware will introduce this product on their high end line. It's all about getting the word out, and that's what this product successfully has done: the key is to be controversial enough, regardless of how weak the idea is. Think EON8 and "emo girl suicide".
-The Pentium Guy
I think that fact is well established early in the thread, and further reinforced by anybody that believes this crap.
The guy is so freakin' clueless it's irritating. I think the reason it pisses me off so much is because I didn't think anyone at AT would be dumb enough to fall for this garbage. Well, I guess I was mistaken.
Yup. Companies used to do that to improve their WinBench scores. It was possible to write drivers which grossly inflated Winbench scores but produced no actual speed increase when you use them for everyday tasks.
the only thing cool about it is the onboard USB port that is handled by the onboard linux. kind of a random feature if you ask me, but cool.
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