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The Katrina myths thread

TastesLikeChicken

TastesLikeChicken

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nullKatrina generated a lot of hysteria and hype from the media. Everything from stories of refusals to deliver supplies and cannibals eating corpses to terribly emotive sob stories. As more of the facts have come in, some of these stories are unraveling. Some were just completely and obivously bogus to begin with. Others involved twisting and manipulation of the facts. This thread has been created for people to provide actual facts and demonstrate how some of the recently crafted urban legends are little more than that.

The Toxic Flood (Bogus)

FEMA (or Homeland Security) wouldn't let the Red Cross deliver supplies (Spin)

Someone's coming to get you momma (Emotional Manipulation)

Katrina and Global Warming (No solid evidence)

The cannibals of NOLA (Retracted)

Blanco never declared a State of Emergency before the storm (Debunked)

There were 2000 buses (Debunked)
 
A good one was that cops in a boat had a "Show us your b00bies" sign and were refusing to rescue female victims who didn't (UK scandal sheet, debunked in Off-Topic)
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
A good one was that cops in a boat had a "Show us your b00bies" sign and were refusing to rescue female victims who didn't (UK scandal sheet, debunked in Off-Topic)
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Link to that thread, pls.
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
We might just add that Katrina had nothing to do with global warming.
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Are you sure? It was the hot temperature of the water in the Gulf that supercharged Katrina to a level 5 hurricane...is the temperature of the Gulf currently affected by Global warming? I think thats a very important question and one I don't know the answer to.

 
Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Forsythe
We might just add that Katrina had nothing to do with global warming.
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Are you sure? It was the hot water in the Gulf that supercharged Katrina to a level 5 hurricane...is the temperature of the Guld currently being affected by Global warming? I think thats a very important question and one I don't know the answer to.
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I am not sure even if it is global warming if we can say it is cyclical in nature or due to pollution. I have seen compelling evidence on both sides, and being that I am definitely not a meteorologist or a scientist of any kind in that area, I will leave it to the big wigs to duke that one out. Either way, again good post TLC, and good to see the facts coming to light...
 
Originally posted by: operaman1
Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Forsythe
We might just add that Katrina had nothing to do with global warming.
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Are you sure? It was the hot water in the Gulf that supercharged Katrina to a level 5 hurricane...is the temperature of the Guld currently being affected by Global warming? I think thats a very important question and one I don't know the answer to.
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I am not sure even if it is global warming if we can say it is cyclical in nature or due to pollution. I have seen compelling evidence on both sides, and being that I am definitely not a meteorologist or a scientist of any kind in that area, I will leave it to the big wigs to duke that one out. Either way, again good post TLC, and good to see the facts coming to light...
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Personally, I think it's cyclical. If you look at the patterns before ice ages, temperatures rise before they take a steep drop. Ice ages happen ~10,000 years, and it's been 10,000 years since we've had one. I'm not saying we're entering one, but we MAY.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz

Personally, I think it's cyclical. If you look at the patterns before ice ages, temperatures rise before they take a steep drop. Ice ages happen ~10,000 years, and it's been 10,000 years since we've had one. I'm not saying we're entering one, but we MAY.
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Actually last century marked the end of a 'mini' ice age, so no...it has not been ten thousand years. That being said, you might be right...some people do believe another 'mini' ice age is possible soon(link), and it might surprisingly be related to global warming.

 
Originally posted by: conjur
Right, but not before it became one of the key talking points for the RWers.
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A lot of these myths became talking points for all the *Wers of both sides of the isle. It's why I started this thread. To put an end to using these falsehoods as talking points for, or by, either side.

 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: operaman1
Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Forsythe
We might just add that Katrina had nothing to do with global warming.
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Are you sure? It was the hot water in the Gulf that supercharged Katrina to a level 5 hurricane...is the temperature of the Guld currently being affected by Global warming? I think thats a very important question and one I don't know the answer to.
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I am not sure even if it is global warming if we can say it is cyclical in nature or due to pollution. I have seen compelling evidence on both sides, and being that I am definitely not a meteorologist or a scientist of any kind in that area, I will leave it to the big wigs to duke that one out. Either way, again good post TLC, and good to see the facts coming to light...
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Personally, I think it's cyclical. If you look at the patterns before ice ages, temperatures rise before they take a steep drop. Ice ages happen ~10,000 years, and it's been 10,000 years since we've had one. I'm not saying we're entering one, but we MAY.
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Then i'm saying you're an idiot, i've put out proof you can't argue against in another post, let me find it for you.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Right, but not before it became one of the key talking points for the RWers.
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A lot of these myths became talking points for all the *Wers of both sides of the isle. It's why I started this thread. To put an end to using these falsehoods as talking points for, or by, either side.
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Understood and finally something halfway decent of you. :evil:
 
Every news story I saw or read pertaining to the condition of the flood waters spoke to the potential of the contents of the water. The CDC and local health officials had very legitmate concerns. There were cases of dysentry. Leaving anyone exposed to that environment and without medical monitoring would have been criminally negligent.

I just hope that spraying for mosquitos and flies is already well underway.
 
Great Thread.

Another myth is the "2000" Bus scenario in which the mayor never utilized all those buses. Although there were hundereds of them, it surely wasn't "2000" as said on FOX news.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509120005

(Sorry about the left leaning site. I believe they do a good job most of the time reporting the facts, there are also many other reports on this, just go over to google news.)

Also on Global Warming:
Although I am skeptical about the global warming issue. We, as the people, get information from both sides that have obvious poilitical reasons. The one thing I am willing to say is that global warming is occuring at least according to the majoirty of scientists in the world. But, The question of concern is whether or not we have any input as human beings in this process of global warming. Big Oil/Energy is obviously against the idea that we are causing global warming while environmentalist feel the opposite. That being said, I guess I am a bit biased in this discussion because I trust the environmentalist more than I do Big Oil/Energy. That's my logic on it. Not trying to start a flame war, but that is how I come to my half-ass conclusion 🙂
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
A good one was that cops in a boat had a "Show us your b00bies" sign and were refusing to rescue female victims who didn't (UK scandal sheet, debunked in Off-Topic)
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Link to that thread, pls.
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It turned into flaming of the OP, looks like the mods deleted it.

uk,news.yahoo second half of this repeats the story.

The Star article (which I can't find) listed the hotel name (Ramada)? and a poster in the OT threead looked up that for the 2 Ramads in NOLA, 1 had no flooding (so no boats) and the other had a couple of feet of water but the roof was way too high for the story to make sense (at less 40' between the water and roof). Too bad the thread is gone 🙁
 
Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Forsythe
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1657154&enterthread=y

And no, the temperature hasn't risen that much, so it's very very unlikely it had anything to do with global warming.
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Wrong. I suggest you read the article posted by TLC. Specifically where it mentions "well-documented increases in surface temperatures. "
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Hehe, i just read something that made me come back here.

This!

So i take back what i said.
 
Originally posted by: mismajor99
Great Thread.

Another myth is the "2000" Bus scenario in which the mayor never utilized all those buses. Although there were hundereds of them, it surely wasn't "2000" as said on FOX news.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509120005

(Sorry about the left leaning site. I believe they do a good job most of the time reporting the facts, there are also many other reports on this, just go over to google news.)

Also on Global Warming:
Although I am skeptical about the global warming issue. We, as the people, get information from both sides that have obvious poilitical reasons. The one thing I am willing to say is that global warming is occuring at least according to the majoirty of scientists in the world. But, The question of concern is whether or not we have any input as human beings in this process of global warming. Big Oil/Energy is obviously against the idea that we are causing global warming while environmentalist feel the opposite. That being said, I guess I am a bit biased in this discussion because I trust the environmentalist more than I do Big Oil/Energy. That's my logic on it. Not trying to start a flame war, but that is how I come to my half-ass conclusion 🙂
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Added, even with the left-leaning link. 😉

To be fair about the buses, both sides have made overstatements, and understatements about them -- The right concerning the number available, and the left using the strawman that it would have been imposible to evacuate "100,000" people with those buses. That figure is pretty shaky. NOLA should have first used the buses to evacuate those with special needs and who didn't have tranportation of their own with which to leave. Those people should have been a priority. The fact that they didn't use the buses for that purpose is pretty sad. Additionally, out of the "100,000," how many would have voluntarily left, regardless of the mandatory evacuation order? After 2 weeks they're still having trouble getting people to leave their homes, even in the squalid conditions. I'm not sure the number that would have been evacuated would have been anywhere near 100,000.

And I don't think there's any argument that the local government could have done more and better than what they did, and they had the tools available to do it with as well.

 
That bus numbers issue is amazing. How can 200 turn into 2000? I never counted the buses in the now infamous photo of the school bus motor pool but, there most assuredly were not 2000. You would think that the number 2000 would have been suspect.
 
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