The joys of owning a Toyota Prius - uncontrolled acceleration and braking

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Yeah, need some confirmation, this smells of rant all over. Wouldn't put it past them if this newspaper didn't get their way with Toyota, Toyota blew them off, so they're trying to get back. Toyota doesn't produce crap, it just isn't them. If they do, they make it right for sure.

I'd still take the Prius over the Honda any day.
 

ProfJohn

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A LONG time ago there were a lot of reports about Audi's and sudden acceleration etc etc.

Supposedly the brake pedal and gas pedal were to close and people we hitting the wrong pedal. Audi denied it, but it really hurt their sales in the states and took years for them to recover. You can read about it on Wikipedia.
 

Uhtrinity

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Those stories have been floating around for years with no confirmation. If there had actually been incidents like those described Toyota would have been forced to recall them for repairs. It sounds more like fud from Prius / hybrid haters and it is on the verge of becoming urban legend.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Looks like mostly women drivers. Problem solved. :p

Well, not exactly solved, just possibly identified :)
 

Jiggz

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It's pretty shocking none of those horror story tellers is suing! I mean all of these horror story tellers are from the US! Chk, chk, chk!
 

ericlp

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Personally I think Honda's SUCK. We bought a brand new 08 CR-V and they suck ... Service and quality has fallen behind for Honda if I could give them negative stars I would and I can't think they improved much over a year or so.

She hated driving in the rain because a car wreck in college catapulted her through the windshield, and doctors almost had to amputate her leg. Yeah, that about sums it up! She can't drive and her license should be revoked. Acceleration my ass. She probably drives with both feet.

 

sandorski

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A click away to other Forums listed on this page will find all kinds of people who could never get Product X to work properly or without something going horribly wrong.
 

IGBT

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and in either of the batt cars your are immersed in heavy magnetic fields from the AC drive traction motors. that will be a big eco-KOOK issue when there are lots of batt cars on the road.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: IGBT
and in either of the batt cars your are immersed in heavy magnetic fields from the AC drive traction motors. that will be a big eco-KOOK issue when there are lots of batt cars on the road.

Hippy.
 
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Originally posted by: IGBT
and in either of the batt cars your are immersed in heavy magnetic fields from the AC drive traction motors. that will be a big eco-KOOK issue when there are lots of batt cars on the road.

You're right, we should just keep burning gas.
 

Zenmervolt

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Well, let's look at what's wrong here:

Suddenly she felt the car hydroplaning out of control, and when she glanced at the speedometer she realized the car had shot up to 84 mph. Riner wasn't hydroplaning; quite simply, her Prius had accelerated on its own.

She pushed on the brakes but they were dead. Then just as suddenly as the car had taken off, it shut down. The console lit up with warning lights, leaving Riner fighting a stiff steering wheel as she coasted across four lanes of traffic and down an exit ramp.

1) Hydroplaning feels vastly different from acceleration.
2) It takes a long time for a Prius to get from 60 mph to 84 mph. I know. I had one for two weeks and tried. A driver would have to have a serious case of inattention not to notice this.
3) No, the brakes weren't "dead". Brakes don't go "dead". They're hydraulic. While the first bit of pedal travel activates the regen and not the friction brakes, the friction brakes remain operated by a traditional hydraulic system. The power assist may have been gone, but the brakes were absolutely and unequivocally not "dead". I've driven many, many cars without power brakes. You just have to push harder. This should be basic knowledge required to pass a driver's test.
4) Oh no, a stiff steering wheel. How did we ever survive the decades before power steering was widely used in tiny little cars like the Prius?

The key to her issue is earlier in the article:
Riner kept the Prius pegged at 60 mph

I'll put money on this woman using the cruise control to do that, which makes the following scenario very likely:

1) Cruise control has locked in a specific throttle setting to keep the car at 60 mph.
2) At least one of the front tires starts to hydroplane (stock tires absolutely suck in the rain).
3) Hydroplaning tire spins up much more rapidly than the cruise control computer can react.
4) Since the speedometer reads from the transmission output shaft, it erroneously reads 84 mph, actual vehicle speed is probably around 58 mph.
5) The car's computer is unable to reconcile the excessive speed reading with the other system statuses and concludes that there is a severe malfunction.
6) Computer shuts down.

The entire case is driver error, not a fault with the vehicle.

Or other statements from the article:
The car wouldn't slow down "no matter how hard I pressed on the brake,"

Sorry, wrong. To test this theory, floor the brake pedal and then floor the gas. See if the car takes off. If you're flooring the brake and the car is still accelerating, then your foot isn't on the brake, it's on the gas.

I love the Riner lady's attempt to blame everyone else:
"I ended up being an hour and 20 minutes late, and only one guy stuck around, so I missed that opportunity," Riner says.

You called the tow truck and car dealer but didn't think to call ahead to your meeting and explain to them what happened? Maybe calling in on a conference bridge and trying to take the meeting remote? Maybe re-scheduling? You know, the things that a responsible businessperson does?

I am not sympathetic to claims of "unintended acceleration". I can drive down the freeway and simultaneously floor both the gas and brake pedals on any car I've ever driven and the car will slow down. Unless the owner has failed to maintain the brakes, it's simply not possible for a car to "accelerate out of control".

ZV
 

MotF Bane

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@ ZV - Good post, but one thing I'm confused on, you called it driver error. Driver error in buying a car that shuts down when the computer shuts down? :confused:
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
@ ZV - Good post, but one thing I'm confused on, you called it driver error. Driver error in buying a car that shuts down when the computer shuts down? :confused:

Instances of driver error:
- You should never, under any circumstances, use cruise control in rain or other inclement weather.
- She should have known enough to press the brakes more firmly to stop instead of assuming that they were "dead".

There is also the possibility that she drove through a large puddle which splashed water under the hood and temporarily shorted some connections, which would be a vehicle error, but still compounded by the driver error of not knowing she could still use the brakes.

ZV
 

Thump553

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ZV's explanation makes a lot of sense to me. Years ago, when cruise control was new I was driving a large American sedan on the highway in light rain with the cruise on. I must have hit a slight puddle on an otherwise innocuous straightaway. Next thing I knew I had spun the car twice and totalled it.

I can also vouch (as a Prius owner) that to reach 84 mph takes a concerted effort. They aren't underpowered, but they aren't muscle cars either.

ZV-wouldn't the car's black box shed a lot of light as to what really happened?

This story is a prime example of why you should rely on a proper accident investigation rather than a sensationalistic press story.
 

Deeko

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I only read the beginning of the article, but that woman sounds like A) she doesn't know how to drive B) she is everything that's wrong with Prius owners (admitting she was smug about it)
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Thump553
ZV-wouldn't the car's black box shed a lot of light as to what really happened?

Does the Prius have a black box? I know that GM cars do, but I don't think that such devices are mandatory yet. I know that if the vehicle has a data recorder there must be notification of such in the owner's manual, but I don't have a 2008 Prius manual to consult.

ZV
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Instances of driver error:
- You should never, under any circumstances, use cruise control in rain or other inclement weather.

Or maybe Toyota could have the car auto-disengage cruise control when it detects a wheel slip like my Nissan does :p. While it doesn't change that you shouldn't really do it, that would've solved the problem.
 
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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Yeah, need some confirmation, this smells of rant all over. Wouldn't put it past them if this newspaper didn't get their way with Toyota, Toyota blew them off, so they're trying to get back. Toyota doesn't produce crap, it just isn't them. If they do, they make it right for sure.

I'd still take the Prius over the Honda any day.

HAHAHA. Toyota DOES make crap. The new design of the Tundra is terrible. Who ever heard of tailgates failing?
So far, there has been:
Tailgate seperation issue: Fix, no more than 500lbs on tailgate
Camshaft lobe sheering: Fix, replace engine
Rear suspension wobble at highway speeds: Fix, load 600lbs of wieght in the bed to smooth out the ride
Terrible off road performance: Fix, don't drive off road
Frame/Bed flex: Fix, drive on smooth surface
Transmissions failing with less than 500 miles: Fix, replace transmission

Let's not leave out some other doozies. 95-00 Tacoma's are being silently bought back by Toyota due to the frames rusting through because they were not properly treated.
New FJ Crusiers are tearing the unibody structure apart in the front wheel wells.

To think that Toyota can't screw up is like saying GM products of the 80's early 90's were high quality.
 

BassBomb

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Remember when cruise control would go whacko on some Ford van and would run over people?
 

LTC8K6

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On most modern cars, the cruise control would simply shut down at the detection of the discrepancy.

A Prius might have to shut down more systems because they are linked together.