The Joy of Obesity

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: KB
Dieting is not the answer, and that is why obese people can't lose the weight. Resistance training and excercise are significantly more important than dieting when it comes to losing weight. Obese people usually hate to excercise.

BINGO!

Calorie restrictive dieting is counter productive, and a major contributer to the numbers of morbidly obese in our soceity.

Millions of years of evolution cannot be overcome with "willpower." The body will fight to it's last breath any perceived starvation and loss of it's fat cells to calorie deprivation.

Hmm, so why does dtomach stapeling work?

Because it keeps the person from ever being able to fall off the wagon. They can usually never eat enough to gain back the weight.

BUT, there are even stomach stapling failures. Some people cannot stand the starvation signals their brains are getting constantly and instead of eating small meals, simply eat small amounts continuously.

Yep, there are people who have had the operation who end up obese again.

 

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: Amused
I never said you were better off staying fat.

HOW you lose the weight is as important as losing the weight. The facts are clear that the failure rate among those who use severe calorie restriction alone is astronomical. And not only to they gain all the weight back, but those who use severe calorie restriction gain back MORE weight than they started with.

But you do agree that some calorie restriction along w/exercise is necessary? Because there's no way you can lose weight even with exercise if you're eating 5000 calories a day.

Well, of course. But that should come from cleaning up the diet, rather than focusing on calorie restriction. Most people, when focusining on calorie restriction over do it. They treat it simply as a matter of "will power" and skip this meal or that or simply eat far too little and send their bodies into starvation mode.

So when you say 'calorie restriction' you mean mainly eating the same type of meals but eating far less than normal, instead of changing the diet to include a normal amount of food but with lower calories? I think we have some confusion in our terms here.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: Amused
I never said you were better off staying fat.

HOW you lose the weight is as important as losing the weight. The facts are clear that the failure rate among those who use severe calorie restriction alone is astronomical. And not only to they gain all the weight back, but those who use severe calorie restriction gain back MORE weight than they started with.

But you do agree that some calorie restriction along w/exercise is necessary? Because there's no way you can lose weight even with exercise if you're eating 5000 calories a day.

Well, of course. But that should come from cleaning up the diet, rather than focusing on calorie restriction. Most people, when focusining on calorie restriction over do it. They treat it simply as a matter of "will power" and skip this meal or that or simply eat far too little and send their bodies into starvation mode.

So when you say 'calorie restriction' you mean mainly eating the same type of meals but eating far less than normal, instead of changing the diet to include a normal amount of food but with lower calories? I think we have some confusion in our terms here.

Far less than normal. Severely restricting your calories means eating whatever, just far fewer calories than you ate before. It doesn't matter what diet it is, if it severely restricts calories, it carries with it a high long term failure rate and the high probability that when you do fail, you gain back even more than you started with.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
1 hour @ the gym, 4 times a week + no fast food = stay in shape.

easy. if they don't have 4 hours/week for their own sake, they deserve to be fat and made fun of.

An obese person like that showing up at the gym... "made fun of" is putting it mildly.. 😉 But still, they need to start somewhere. This is where personal trainers getting on their a$$ every day would really earn their $.

How's Ruben Studdard doing these days ?

I was at 23% BF 13 months ago. I stopped eating junk food,began to eat till I was full (not till stuffed) and hit the gym 4-5 times a week. I lost 60 lbs. in 3 months and dropped down to 12% BF. I know my case is a bit extreme as I cut off all fats from my diet but it worked for me. I haven't gained any weight (I actually lost around 10 lbs more in the alst 8-9 months) and I am at 11% BF right now. I usually hit the gym 2-4 times a week and don't restrict myself on any kind of food unless it`s processed & has too much fat.

 

[Geekbabe]

Did you ever stop to consider that this woman probably gained a good bit of weight as result of a back condition? Did you know that a person's got to be hurting pretty bad to consider surgery on that area of the body?Most people I know who have had back operations were in so much pain that they couldn't even sleep comfortably let alone do much of anything else.

 

[Zebo]

I love fat people. Less compitition thoughout life for such things jobs, women, and then they'll be dead very soon so more SS benefits when I retire.🙂

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Did you ever stop to consider that this woman probably gained a good bit of weight as result of a back condition? Did you know that a person's got to be hurting pretty bad to consider surgery on that area of the body?Most people I know who have had back operations were in so much pain that they couldn't even sleep comfortably let alone do much of anything else.

No, this woman gained a good bit of weight as a result of all of the junk she ate.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Did you ever stop to consider that this woman probably gained a good bit of weight as result of a back condition? Did you know that a person's got to be hurting pretty bad to consider surgery on that area of the body?Most people I know who have had back operations were in so much pain that they couldn't even sleep comfortably let alone do much of anything else.

No, this woman gained a good bit of weight as a result of all of the junk she ate.

Sigh,Whatever would we do if there weren't fat people to mock and make fun of? Oh! we'd have to look in the mirror and focus more on our own shortcomings and we couldn't have that could we?

 

[BD231]

There's no phucking excuse for being obese geekbabe. People don't accept "it" because it's just like any other person on this earth letting a weakness control their lives which is in no way admirable.

Yes, when you're huge you have a huge fuggin hole to dig yourself out of and it's obvious many americans just don't have what it takes to do so. All the info to beat the problem is out there, if ANYONE who's overweight is eating junk food it's obvious they're digging their own hole.

If there's an emotional connection to food in someones life, obviously more then one thing has to be taken care of.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
1 hour @ the gym, 4 times a week + no fast food = stay in shape.

easy. if they don't have 4 hours/week for their own sake, they deserve to be fat and made fun of.

An obese person like that showing up at the gym... "made fun of" is putting it mildly.. 😉 But still, they need to start somewhere. This is where personal trainers getting on their a$$ every day would really earn their $.

How's Ruben Studdard doing these days ?

Perfect example: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1070365&arctab=arc&highlight_key=y&keyword1=hate


BTW, I've lost 100 pounds and haven't really been restricting calories at all. It's all about exercise and cutting out junk food (IE, simple carbs).

 

Sigh,Whatever would we do if there weren't fat people to mock and make fun of? Oh! we'd have to look in the mirror and focus more on our own shortcomings and we couldn't have that could we?

Serouisly, the fat bashing is getting ridiculous. Do you have ANYTHING better to do than bitch about how fat your coworker is? Mabey I should bitch about how much of a self-centered pompus ass you are.
Do these people go on some internet forum and complain about your inadequacies to completely random people?

If you have actually ever really talked to someone overweight about their problem, many are truly sad stories that most people can relate and draw parallels to in their life. From what I've heard from overweight friends the cycle is.. "I eat because I feel bad about myself, eating this much makes me fat" and the cycle loops over and over.

Try to muster up one ounce of compassion.

 

[Zebo]

I've lost 100 pounds and haven't really been restricting calories at all. It's all about exercise and cutting out junk food

Best advice ever, succinct And FREE. all those suckers paying $19.95 for diet books pay attention.😉

 

[SportSC4]

A good reason to why people gain weight after going only on diets is because their bodies are being starved and resort to using fats, proteins, and carb stores. Fats tend to be the last energy source that the body consumes. If a person starves themselves of protein then the muscles of the body will dwindle because the body catabolizes muscle proteins. The person loses some fats but in comparison, they lose much more of their muscle. The less muscle a person has, the less work that person's body does in day to day activites and makes it easier for them to gain their weight back and more.

The best combination would be a healthy diet (not just in quantity but mostly quality) and excercise. IMHO, diet alone will only ensure failure in the long run.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Did you ever stop to consider that this woman probably gained a good bit of weight as result of a back condition? Did you know that a person's got to be hurting pretty bad to consider surgery on that area of the body?Most people I know who have had back operations were in so much pain that they couldn't even sleep comfortably let alone do much of anything else.

No, this woman gained a good bit of weight as a result of all of the junk she ate.

Sigh,Whatever would we do if there weren't fat people to mock and make fun of? Oh! we'd have to look in the mirror and focus more on our own shortcomings and we couldn't have that could we?

:beer:

low carb, of course 😉 😛

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
1 hour @ the gym, 4 times a week + no fast food = stay in shape.

easy. if they don't have 4 hours/week for their own sake, they deserve to be fat and made fun of.

An obese person like that showing up at the gym... "made fun of" is putting it mildly.. 😉 But still, they need to start somewhere. This is where personal trainers getting on their a$$ every day would really earn their $.

How's Ruben Studdard doing these days ?

Perfect example: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1070365&arctab=arc&highlight_key=y&keyword1=hate


BTW, I've lost 100 pounds and haven't really been restricting calories at all. It's all about exercise and cutting out junk food (IE, simple carbs).

good job man :beer: