The israeli prespective - the seeds of terror

[ehuda]

As an israeli and as a reader of anandtech i have recently read several of the disscussions regarding the middle east,and the thing that seems to strike me the most is the fact that many support the palestines due to either misinformation ,simple lack of knowledge or simpyl oversimplfying a situation that is far from being simple.(the israelis are the "occupieres" and the palestines simply resist their occupation,and that everyone has a right to resist even if its in the most inhuman way possible.)

In order to try and correct this situation,even a little(although i know many have opinions that will never be changed),i would like you to watch a couple of short movies that describes in no uncertain terms what goes on in palestine sociaty,and why israel is reacting that why it does,since so much of the info doesnt seem to evet get to the world media.

please look into the files that are over here:
http://server12.castup.net/mfa/
andPalestine terror

and if you have any other questions,ill try to answer them today(although i cant promise anything because as soldier in the IDF i am going back to my unit tonight)

Ehud

 

[Amused]

Very eye opening. Thank you.

Until now, we've been inundated with Arab propaganda. It's good to see some from the other side. Israel needs to do more of this. So far, the Arabs have been winning the propaganda war hands down.

 

[308nato]

"Dan salutes the IDF grunt."

Peace brother.

 

[StageLeft]

I am watching the seeds of hatred one now. they had a kid maybe 6-7 years old singing about how he would kill himself in battle dress and then the class clapped.

I recall the picture of a guy's daughter who was so small that an ak-47 came up 2/3s of her height as she stood there in fatigues.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Until now, we've been inundated with Arab propaganda >>

That's BS. It's been exactly the opposite. Every time some one speaks out against Israeli brutality the Israeli Apololigists come running. The Israeli's brought the wraith of the Palestinians on themselves. Of course the Palestinians being believers in an irrational religion that promotes death and murder responds with Sub Human means like Suicide Bombing. Niether side deserves our support.

 

[Jumpem]

Isreal should get all of our support. The Palestinians are far worse than Bin Laden and his cohorts. Bin Laden at least tells you that he wants to completely destroy you and your way of life. Arafat and the Paletinians are two-faced propogandists that say they want peace and that they are being repressed, yet they attack innocent civilians. Why do the liberals in the US and Europe think that Israel should treat the Palestinian situation different than we are treating the Bin Laden one? That said there will not be peace in the Middle East until one side completely eradicates the other. The palestinians are like diseased wild dogs and need to be treated as such.

 

[StageLeft]

<< The Israeli's brought the wraith of the Palestinians on themselves. >>

Doesn't this statement go hand in hand with the US brought 9/11 upon themselves?

 

[Amused]

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<< Until now, we've been inundated with Arab propaganda >>

That's BS. It's been exactly the opposite. Every time some one speaks out against Israeli brutality the Israeli Apololigists come running. The Israeli's brought the wraith of the Palestinians on themselves. Of course the Palestinians being believers in an irrational religion that promotes death and murder responds with Sub Human means like Suicide Bombing. Niether side deserves our support. >>



I'm talking about in our media.

As for the rest, well, we KNOW who the aggressor has ALWAYS been. It's very easy to dislike both sides, but very hard to take a moral stand.

 

[Amused]

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<< The Israeli's brought the wraith of the Palestinians on themselves. >>

Doesn't this statement go hand in hand with the US brought 9/11 upon themselves? >>



Bingo!

 

[Twerpzilla]

<< << The Israeli's brought the wraith of the Palestinians on themselves. >> >>




<< Doesn't this statement go hand in hand with the US brought 9/11 upon themselves? >>



No, it does not go hand in hand. The United States has not engaged in such hanous acts of terrorism the likes of what israel propegates since our destruction of the American Indians in the 1800's.

 

[Twerpzilla]

AmusedOne, You are correct, we do know that Israel has always been the aggresor in the taking of lands by force. This has been true since 1948 and hold true today. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Amused]

<< AmusedOne, You are correct, we do know that Israel has always been the aggresor in the taking of lands by force. This has been true since 1948 and hold true today. Thanks for pointing that out. >>



I'd respond, but why after shooting down your nonsense in the other thread...

I'll give you a

 

[Martin]

Nice propaganda there....


The Palestinians can make the EXCACT same movies, with the characters reversed.

They can show Israeli soldiers training and say how they are training to kill palestinians, they can show heart wrenching scenes of towns that have been half leveled, of crippled children etc etc. They can show Israelis shooting and killing kids, then they can show how their mothers cry....


Same crap, different spin.

 

[StageLeft]

<< No, it does not go hand in hand. The United States has not engaged in such hanous acts of terrorism the likes of what israel propegates since our destruction of the American Indians in the 1800's. >>

Well see that's all relative. If you ask one of bin laden's cronies in afghanistan they'll say that the US and her allies have oppresed much of the world and taken advantage of it and a bunch of other mumbo jumbo.

They had reasons for what they did just as the palestinians have reasons for what they do. Are they right? No, but I don't think that the palestinians have any more reason to blow up civilians than bin laden has.

 

[Amused]

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Nice propaganda there....


The Palestinians can make the EXCACT same movies, with the characters reversed.

They can show Israeli soldiers training and say how they are training to kill palestinians, they can show heart wrenching scenes of towns that have been half leveled, of crippled children etc etc. They can show Israelis shooting and killing kids, then they can show how their mothers cry....


Same crap, different spin. >>



Bullsh1t. You wont find Israeli children being trained to blow themselves up. You wont find Israeli schools training children that suicide bombing makes them a martyr. You wont find Israeli children learning to fire AK-47s. You wont find Isreali TV glorifying the death of civilians, or calling on children to pick up rocks and throw them at armed soldiers.

Sorry, but it's not the same, at all.

 

[Martin]

<< Bullsh1t. You wont find Israeli children being trained to blow themselves up. You wont find Israeli schools training children that suicide bombing makes them a martyr. You wont find Israeli children learning to fire AK-47s. You wont find Isreali TV glorifying the death of civilians, or calling on children to pick up rocks and throw them at armed soldiers.

Sorry, but it's not the same, at all. >>




The only bullsh!t is the fact that people take sides on this issue.

They don't teach israeli children to blow themselves up, but they teach Israeli teens how to fire m16s, drop bombs, fire missiles, operate bulldozers etc.

And yes, you WILL find Israeli TV prasing the latest military attacks, many of which are against civilians. Or do you really believe that all those houses small pic belonged to terrorists?


gimmie a break.

 

[Swanny]

I didn't even watch the whole thing. All along I've thought that the Palestinians were just stupid, but now even more so. They lost a war far and sqaure. Now they're fighting another one that's not fair. If they want to do this, they should at least explode themselves around military instalations, since they are the only "fair" targets in war.

I can imagine what frusteration you feel. Your job is to defend your country, but there is nothing to retaliate against. I don't see why we don't send over troops to aid you. It seems like the U.S. just turns a blind eye to your problems with terrorism, even though they are worse than our own.


I salute you and support your nation in whatever it does to bring itself to peace. If it takes a mass relocation or mass imprisionment or even genocide, I will still be on your side. Of course, it would be wonderful if a peaceful end could be worked out, but it seems that it will not be possible.

 

[bizmark]

<< Bullsh1t. You wont find Israeli children being trained to blow themselves up. You wont find Israeli schools training children that suicide bombing makes them a martyr. You wont find Israeli children learning to fire AK-47s. You wont find Isreali TV glorifying the death of civilians, or calling on children to pick up rocks and throw them at armed soldiers.
>>



But you will find Israeli children being forced into the army, where they learn to fire machine guns, drop bombs, and fire tank tounds whose only conceivable use is against Palestinians/Arabs. Also you will find propaganda about Israelis being the chosen people of God and their God-ordained right to live there to the necessary exclusion of everyone else. It's just as fanatical.

Israeli kids don't HAVE to blow themselves up because they can do much more damage from an F-16 or a tank. Israeli kids don't HAVE to commit suicide in order to take out a few Palestinians. Depending on how you define 'child', you WILL find them learning how to fire AK-47s or M-16s or whatever the hell they use. You will find Israeli TV justifying putting the soldiers there in the first place, for little kids to throw rocks at them.

 

[308nato]

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<< << The Israeli's brought the wraith of the Palestinians on themselves. >> >>




<< Doesn't this statement go hand in hand with the US brought 9/11 upon themselves? >>



No, it does not go hand in hand. The United States has not engaged in such hanous acts of terrorism the likes of what israel propegates since our destruction of the American Indians in the 1800's. >>




I don't think you have read your handbook with enough detail. your position requires accusing the US of many heinous acts of terrorism since the 1800's

arafat's propaganda machine could convince the world that the lion's were at a disadvantage when the Christian's were thrown in with them due to the christian's 'tastin" bad.:disgust:

 

[kgraeme]

<<
As for the rest, well, we KNOW who the aggressor has ALWAYS been. >>



Who? This conflict goes far further back than 1948. If I recall my judaochristian "history" correctly, the Jews fleeing from Egypt founded Israel by kicking out the people who were there already.

 

[BuckleDownBen]

<< I don't think you have read your handbook with enough detail. your position requires accusing the US of many heinous acts of terrorism since the 1800's >>



I don't see what your point is here. There are hundreds examples of US acts of terrorism and brutality since 1800. Some by US forces directly and some by US client states like Turkey, Indonesia, and Israel.

 

[jjones]

<< Who? This conflict goes far further back than 1948. If I recall my judaochristian "history" correctly, the Jews fleeing from Egypt founded Israel by kicking out the people who were there already. >>


Well, in that context, the "Palestinians" have no right to the land either.

 

[kgraeme]

<< Well, in that context, the "Palestinians" have no right to the land either. >>



My point was not to say who has a "right" to the land, but to provide an example of how long this land has been fought over.

 

[rahvin]

Unbiased report contained in my link. Both sides story is presented.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/holy/

 

[shazbot]

<<
I can imagine what frusteration you feel. Your job is to defend your country, but there is nothing to retaliate against. I don't see why we don't send over troops to aid you. It seems like the U.S. just turns a blind eye to your problems with terrorism, even though they are worse than our own.


<<

lol. . . you do realize the israelis are using U.S. warplanes & weapons right? while hte palestians are using suicide bombers. I say we take all our stuff back, and let them fight it out. See how fast the israelis start suicide bombing when they lose their apaches & f-16s.