The IRS Raids 60 Million Personal Medical Records scandal #4??

[zinfamous]

Or where they went right. Now all California judges will be unable to rule due to conflict of interest

ahhh, so NOW it's OK.


were you posting in the other thread, possibly lambasting supposed liberals for not caring about Teabagging 501s getting heavily scrutinized?

just checking.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I dont expect much or any prison time for any of these recent scandals and that is why they will continue in the future. It is really unfortunate but that is how it is. Not long ago we found out that the IRS can go through all your email if it is past a certain age or some such crap, now targeting certain groups, raping HIPAA it never stops.

bingo.

after reading the OP the first thing i thought of was ACA.

expect more intrusions into every aspect of life by the government, and virtually 0 repercussion. it seems to be impossible to challenge the government in courts. and if you can't do that, it essentially has free reign to do whatever it wants.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Now keep in mind Republicans blocked everything they could to give more money, funding and manpower to the IRS, so they are severely understaffed, and I imagined some are just in the stage of "I don't give a fuck anymore", and this is the result. That is what this looks like. So in an effort to make Obama fail at every turn, the repubs efforts seem to be paying off, and so this is just the begining of the chaos they have brought down to undermine the new healthcare law, at American's expense.

BS. The problem is that a government agency was given permission to access millions of records and abused it. What you are saying is that the IRS is incompetently managed. Who approved Obamacare like this? Oh yeah. Next you are going to say that Obama and the Democrats have our health care at heart. BS. With Obama shutting down a way that could bring down the costs of expensive medications to poor nations which could then be used to bring down the price of drugs while maintaining research in general, I'm hardly compelled to think otherwise. Of course you know about that, right?

 

[woolfe9998]

I'll just add my usual word of caution to the thread. The article is entirely based off the allegations in a court filed complaint. Not a one of them has been proven. And, in fact, complaints that kick off lawsuits are typically filled with BS from start to finish.

Maybe everything in that complaint is true but I'm not going to assume mere allegations in a lawsuit are true.

That said, please do go back to assuming it's all true because you don't like the IRS and/or Obamacare. I wouldn't expect anything better.

 

[Slew Foot]

Lol, this is what you idiots voted for. You threw away your liberty to get cradle to grave socialism. Have fun.

 

[Fern]

I'm still waiting for scandal #1 that actually involves the Obama administration?

The DoJ, State Dept and Dept of Treasury (IRS) are all part of the Obama administration. They are under the Exec branch.

Fern

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'll just add my usual word of caution to the thread. The article is entirely based off the allegations in a court filed complaint. Not a one of them has been proven. And, in fact, complaints that kick off lawsuits are typically filled with BS from start to finish.

Maybe everything in that complaint is true but I'm not going to assume mere allegations in a lawsuit are true.

That said, please do go back to assuming it's all true because you don't like the IRS and/or Obamacare. I wouldn't expect anything better.

It's possible that a health care provider could be wasting money by suing on baseless grounds. Generally they have enough to do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The DoJ, State Dept and Dept of Treasury (IRS) are all part of the Obama administration. They are under the Exec branch.

Fern

I think he must mean something that Obama only can be blamed for. That's what Regan supporters effectively said with Ollie North.

 

[Doppel]

I'll just add my usual word of caution to the thread. The article is entirely based off the allegations in a court filed complaint. Not a one of them has been proven. And, in fact, complaints that kick off lawsuits are typically filled with BS from start to finish.

Maybe everything in that complaint is true but I'm not going to assume mere allegations in a lawsuit are true.

That said, please do go back to assuming it's all true because you don't like the IRS and/or Obamacare. I wouldn't expect anything better.

You are a kill joy but that is a good point.

 

[chucky2]

Just to get it out of the way...

First: lol troll thread

eskimospy: *long winded bullshit about how this is necessary and good*

ivwshane: It's the Republicans fault.

umbrella69: Awww, poor butthurt Republicans trying to blame something on the black guy.

sportage: *long rambling post with incoherent sentence structure and random punctuation*

WhipperSnapper: Republicans should all die.

thrashman: I blame Ron Paul.

:biggrin::thumbsup:

 

[woolfe9998]

It's possible that a health care provider could be wasting money by suing on baseless grounds. Generally they have enough to do.

I don't know. But I will tell you this from extensive experience with litigation: at least half the allegations in complaints are never proven, with a huge quotient being totally false. Our system of justice is adversarial. A complaint is written by a lawyer and it spins everything which can be spun to the maximum extent possible. Except in the relatively rare case of a complaint being "verified," meaning it has an attachment where the party signs indicating that everything in it is sworn testimony, you cannot even be charged with perjury for out and out lying in the complaint. There are essentially no consequences. I could file a complaint right now accusing you of molesting children and I couldn't be prosecuted for perjury nor even sued for defamation.

It's quite possible that there is some truth to the claims but that they are vastly over-exaggerated, half truths, or leaving out lots of important information. The majority of lawsuits end up being that way. Allegations mean nothing. Wait for the evidence. This is 15 years of prosecuting and defending lawsuits talking here.

- wolf

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't know. But I will tell you this from extensive experience with litigation: at least half the allegations in complaints are never proven, with a huge quotient being totally false. Our system of justice is adversarial. A complaint is written by a lawyer and it spins everything which can be spun to the maximum extent possible. Except in the relatively rare case of a complaint being "verified," meaning it has an attachment where the party signs indicating that everything in it is sworn testimony, you cannot even be charged with perjury for out and out lying in the complaint. There are essentially no consequences. I could file a complaint right now accusing you of molesting children and I couldn't be prosecuted for perjury nor even sued for defamation.

It's quite possible that there is some truth the claims but that they are vastly over-exaggerated, half truths, or leaving out lots of important information. The majority of lawsuits end up being that way. Allegations mean nothing. Wait for the evidence. This is 15 years of prosecuting and defending lawsuits talking here.

- wolf

So this will fall off the radar over time. Is there a site where one can track these things?

 

[woolfe9998]

So this will fall off the radar over time. Is there a site where one can track these things?

Depends on how newsworthy it is. These days, there's always at least some blogger or other website who will report on it. It does, after all, involve the IRS (which many if not most dislike) and Obamacare, also quite controversial. You really think the right wing internet circuit is going to let go of this? Well, they will if it turns out the case has no merit. Otherwise, I'm sure you'll hear more about it.

Also, the docs pertaining to the suit are public record, available from the court in which the case was filed. Some docs in that particular case may be filed under seal if they involve specific people's medical records, but generally most to all of it will be public record.

 

[nextJin]

Does it bother anyone (of either isle) that the IRS is directly tied to Obamacare? If they can do all of this what's to stop them from targeting conservatives healthcare they were forced to accept?

 

[boomerang]

Does it bother anyone (of either isle) that the IRS is directly tied to Obamacare? If they can do all of this what's to stop them from targeting conservatives healthcare they were forced to accept?

We'll have to see which path we end up on. The enemies of the state programs are being exposed right now. Those in power are a crafty bunch. I have little doubt they'll find a way to spin all this into "evil conservatives are going to take away your benefits" and we'll return to the status quo. Remember that we're at the tipping point with the makers and the takers about equal.

Restoration of their powers will restore us back to business as usual for them and the persecutions will intensify. But they'll be bolder and more out in the open. They'll have the blessing of the proletariat.

It's all going to hinge on the press. Have they been swayed enough to once again resume their role of the watchdogs over our government? It's much more comfortable and secure to be a lapdog.

 

[wirednuts]

Flat tax, eliminate the IRS.

nah. eliminate income tax, and add a federal sales tax to all goods sold (minus food items).

that way, everyone pays in. even the thug drug dealers or serial rapists.