The Iran Plans

[Ozoned]

The Iran Plans

A very long read (please read all 7 pages) and a chilling glimpse into the reality of our times.

I firmly believe that Iran will be the issue pending for the next election.

I don't believe there is a good way to do it, nor a good way not to do it.

The stage is set, and the decision will be made by one man. When I ponder biblical prophesy, and with all of my political leanings and beliefs thrown out the window, that scares the hell out of me...

 

[Moonbeam]

When you elect a disaster you elect the consequences. Republicans call it accountability. I, of course, call it f@cking yourself in the ass.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you elect a disaster you elect the consequences. Republicans call it accountability. I, of course, call it f@cking yourself in the ass.

hahaha

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you elect a disaster you elect the consequences. Republicans call it accountability. I, of course, call it f@cking yourself in the ass.

Well, of course, I did have a choice in the last presidential election. Lets see,,,f@cking yourself in the ass or shooting yourself in the head...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you elect a disaster you elect the consequences. Republicans call it accountability. I, of course, call it f@cking yourself in the ass.

Well, of course, I did have a choice in the last presidential election. Lets see,,,f@cking yourself in the ass or shooting yourself in the head...

bush couldn't be on both sides of the ticket...

if you're talking about kerry, it would have been more like fucking yourself in the ass versus listening to a very boring story.

i'd listen to the story.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you elect a disaster you elect the consequences. Republicans call it accountability. I, of course, call it f@cking yourself in the ass.

Well, of course, I did have a choice in the last presidential election. Lets see,,,f@cking yourself in the ass or shooting yourself in the head...

bush couldn't be on both sides of the ticket...

if you're talking about kerry, it would have been more like fucking yourself in the ass versus listening to a very boring story.

i'd listen to the story.

Hush, you. As long as the republicans who idiotically voted for Bush can pretend that Kerry would, somehow, incomprehensibly have been worse (although none of them can possibly quantify this), they can consider themselves to have made the right choice.

Anyway, thanks for the link--reading it now. My thoughts on the issue are already biased (see sig).

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

That article is a year and a half old, and Hersh has been claiming since early 2005 that war with Iran was imminent. I don't believe there is any way, logistically or politically, that we could go to war with Iran during the remainder of Bush's presidency. He is unpopular even for a lame-duck president, his party is in the minority in both houses of Congress, and his fellow Republicans are practically tripping over themselves to avoid being affiliated with him.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DonVito
That article is a year and a half old, and Hersh has been claiming since early 2005 that war with Iran was imminent. I don't believe there is any way, logistically or politically, that we could go to war with Iran during the remainder of Bush's presidency. He is unpopular even for a lame-duck president, his party is in the minority in both houses of Congress, and his fellow Republicans are practically tripping over themselves to avoid being affiliated with him.

True, but if things were different I suspect the articles claims would either have already come to pass or were well underway to coming to pass.

 

[palehorse]

April 2006? Hersh?

bah... well, as a "plus side," I guess it's nice to see someone around here who isn't stuck in 2003!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
April 2006? Hersh?

bah... well, as a "plus side," I guess it's nice to see someone around here who isn't stuck in 2003!

I didn't think most of them had made it past 2000 yet....

 

[Lemon law]

That is an older Hersch article, he has a recent article where he reports that GWB knows his original plans, detailed in this older article, can't be sold to the American people and hence is revising those earlier plans.

No ones earlier predictions are entirely accurate, we can all pull up rosy predictions of being greeted with flowers and candy by you know whom, yet somehow this older article is supposed to discredit Hersch?

Hersch has some excellent contacts he has built up over the years, and given the iron curtain secrecy GWB has, Hersch seems to be one of the few reporters who is getting some concrete data out of what amounts to a black hole. And suddenly everyone now expects anything crystal clear will emerge from a black hole that sucks all stupidly into
GWB&co. and lets little out.

But for what its worth, Hersch really nailed the thinking behind the Lebanese incursion of last year as another Cheney inspired brain fart.

But its a Hersch mantra that Cheney is obsessed with attacking Iran, something thats going to be hard to implement while the US is otherwise occupied in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Cheney seems to be undecided on how to get his obsession turned into reality. As times change, the plans Cheney peddles change.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: DonVito
That article is a year and a half old, and Hersh has been claiming since early 2005 that war with Iran was imminent. I don't believe there is any way, logistically or politically, that we could go to war with Iran during the remainder of Bush's presidency. He is unpopular even for a lame-duck president, his party is in the minority in both houses of Congress, and his fellow Republicans are practically tripping over themselves to avoid being affiliated with him.

Yes, anybody remember this famous thread?

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Based on another Seymour Hersh article. Supposed to bomb Iran in June of 2005.

 

[Aimster]

Iran has their religious nuts

So does the U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

Someone needs to make a religious island for all the religious nuts to go and fight their beliefs. Don't drag me into it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DonVito
That article is a year and a half old, and Hersh has been claiming since early 2005 that war with Iran was imminent. I don't believe there is any way, logistically or politically, that we could go to war with Iran during the remainder of Bush's presidency. He is unpopular even for a lame-duck president, his party is in the minority in both houses of Congress, and his fellow Republicans are practically tripping over themselves to avoid being affiliated with him.

I don't think I agree with you here although I almost always otherwise do. I think you would need to know what God is telling GW to do because He's the one he's listening to.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has their religious nuts

So does the U.S.

That kind of mantra, the equivalency argument, is exactly the sort of defense Islam requires to be successful in its Jihad. As they build nuclear weapons you rail against us with them at your side.

Beware whose bed you lay in. Of whose goals you achieve while stuck with partisan hatred for your fellow Americans.

 

[NoStateofMind]

The word spin is in full effect. "Saving Iran"

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has their religious nuts

So does the U.S.

That kind of mantra, the equivalency argument, is exactly the sort of defense Islam requires to be successful in its Jihad. As they build nuclear weapons you rail against us with them at your side.

Beware whose bed you lay in. Of whose goals you achieve while stuck with partisan hatred for your fellow Americans.

What? Are you going to rush in his house in the middle of the night and take him away to an undisclosed place without a lawyer , without seeing a judge and torture him?

 

[piasabird]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you elect a disaster you elect the consequences. Republicans call it accountability. I, of course, call it f@cking yourself in the ass.

Potty Mouth!

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has their religious nuts

So does the U.S.

That kind of mantra, the equivalency argument, is exactly the sort of defense Islam requires to be successful in its Jihad. As they build nuclear weapons you rail against us with them at your side.

Beware whose bed you lay in. Of whose goals you achieve while stuck with partisan hatred for your fellow Americans.

Youre the only one with hatred toward americans in this exchange.

Why did you cut out the rest of his post? All you god damn idiot religious nuts should be moved to an island to fight out your hatred for one another.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has their religious nuts

So does the U.S.

That kind of mantra, the equivalency argument, is exactly the sort of defense Islam requires to be successful in its Jihad. As they build nuclear weapons you rail against us with them at your side.

Beware whose bed you lay in. Of whose goals you achieve while stuck with partisan hatred for your fellow Americans.

Yup, be careful. You could end up in Jaskalas' bed, the one with Islamo-monsters under it with big horns and hairy tails. And your mantra can be, I'm scared I'm scared I'm scared.

The problem with lunacy is that it doesn't reason too well. The Islamo-Fascist-Terrorists want to take over the world and convert everybody to Islam and they are hard to deal with because they are cowards who hide under beds, but when they take over some country where will they hide. They will be the government of the country and out there in the open as a real and genuine state that we will kick back into the stone age. The moment terrorism wins it's dead.

 

[Jaskalas]

You contend well Moonbeam, when avoiding argument and reasoned facts altogether and instead personally attack me.

If I were wrong, there wouldn?t be people across the globe slaughtered in the name of Islam, its zealous fanatics wouldn?t chant death to America, and Iran would not have a nuclear program.

Originally posted by: homercles337
Youre the only one with hatred toward americans in this exchange.

Why did you cut out the rest of his post? All you god damn idiot religious nuts should be moved to an island to fight out your hatred for one another.

Let me read this again.

All you god damn idiot religious nuts

Now I, who adhere to NO religion, am now a religious nut and should be removed. Yet in your same argument it is I who hate and not you? Check a mirror.

As for your adamant defense of the equivalency argument, and such contention that I hate Americans I will say this:

I hate those who have killed and who will kill my fellow Americans. Islamic supremacists must be stopped. How this could possibly apply to you, and to any American, is by your choice. Whether you want to place yourself against the defense of this nation is by your own conscious decision, not mine. Moreover, should such obstacle to our preservation be the will of our majority I will lawfully obey such hindrance with the understanding that Darwinism removes those who do not have the will to survive.

I take pity, not hatred, of those who choose suicide.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has their religious nuts

So does the U.S.

That kind of mantra, the equivalency argument, is exactly the sort of defense Islam requires to be successful in its Jihad. As they build nuclear weapons you rail against us with them at your side.

Beware whose bed you lay in. Of whose goals you achieve while stuck with partisan hatred for your fellow Americans.

Sounds to me like you fit the profile of the people in that video with your threads and posts.

Don't worry the second coming is going to happen...

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has their religious nuts

So does the U.S.

That kind of mantra, the equivalency argument, is exactly the sort of defense Islam requires to be successful in its Jihad. As they build nuclear weapons you rail against us with them at your side.

Beware whose bed you lay in. Of whose goals you achieve while stuck with partisan hatred for your fellow Americans.

Sounds to me like you fit the profile of the people in that video with your threads and posts.

Don't worry the second coming is going to happen...

This his been proclaimed all through the ages, and parallels to this have been drawn [after] every previous war to win all wars.

Clintons thoughts were to keep rolling back fanatical Islam, as has been the practice (perhaps even accidental) for centuries. What is being overlooked here, is that is exactly what Bush could accomplish with a limited bombing campaign. What he believes he can and will accomplish might be, and likely will be a different story.
Iran is provoking the USA, as if they want this to happen now. Why???

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Iran is provoking the USA, as if they want this to happen now. Why???

That's really the question now isn't it. I'm really not in favor of a war with Iran but personally feel it's inevitable at this point. Our leaders feel they must pursue their stated course at all cost lest we appear weak to the world community(not to mention Jr. needs to exact a little revenge for his Daddy after his puppet got ousted from Iran in the 70s.) Iranian leadership appears to tow the line that they are God's(Allah's if you prefer) chosen people and they must rid the world of infidels through Jihad. With both sides feeling they have absolute authority on the issue, how can a reasonable compromise ever be reached? The age of this article actually frightens me a little as it has been estimated that a successful attack on Iran would require about 1 1/2 to 2 years to plan effectively. With the recent resurgence of media coverage on the issue, it seems DC's PR machine is drumming the inevitable home so we're prepared to accept it when it occurs.

 

[Lemon law]

There is always the germ of we are the master race in any Country. Hitler rode it into victory and then defeat. And now GWB is riding the same pony that the US knows best
and its flopping in Afghanistan and Iraq. And our meddling in their affairs is what caused 911 in the first place. So we meddle more and get more terrorists???? The question marks are there, not because the contention is false, when in fact its proven, the question marks are there to question the policy of meddling.

This crap about a Jhadist Muslim mantra is just more get them before they get us bullshit. You have to remember WE are trespassing in their backyard and not the other way around.

A lot more mind our own business would be far more effective for world peace.