The iPhone sucks horribly for this one reason

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Bateluer

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Without getting into the same pissing match thats filled this thread, I used to have similar problems to the OP when using iTunes. Use it with the different iPod Nanos I've owned for running. Unless I disable iTune's ability/permission to organize my music, it'll sort everything in the most bone headed places. Screwing up my folder organization in the process. Disable it, point it to the Music folder on my hard disk, no issues.
 

MotionMan

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Without getting into the same pissing match thats filled this thread, I used to have similar problems to the OP when using iTunes. Use it with the different iPod Nanos I've owned for running. Unless I disable iTune's ability/permission to organize my music, it'll sort everything in the most bone headed places. Screwing up my folder organization in the process. Disable it, point it to the Music folder on my hard disk, no issues.

Don't cross the streams.

;)

MotionMan
 

akugami

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I don't know why, but this post reminded me of how, last weekend, I was not able to get my mother-in-law's automatic sprinkler system into "rain" mode without reading the manual.

MotionMan

Yeah, I've ran into some products that you would think would be simple to use but you'll get into a "WTF were they thinking" moment when you actually try to use it.

Without getting into the same pissing match thats filled this thread, I used to have similar problems to the OP when using iTunes. Use it with the different iPod Nanos I've owned for running. Unless I disable iTune's ability/permission to organize my music, it'll sort everything in the most bone headed places. Screwing up my folder organization in the process. Disable it, point it to the Music folder on my hard disk, no issues.

iTunes, quite frankly, needs a complete rewrite.

I also have cases of iTunes hanging when I'm browsing the app store. The only thing that will resolve it is to force the app to exit. Since I open up iTunes and browse around for new apps about 3 or 4 times a week, I usually get iTunes hanging on me once a week. iTunes is also IMHO very slow.

The iTunes store is Apple's strongest tie-in for all of it's mobile products but iTunes the app is barely adequate. It really really needs an overhaul.
 

SSSnail

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MotionMan, there are so many holes in your arguments that an ATOT bus could drive through it. It began with you introducing the ridiculous notion that one must own a device to give an in-depth analysis of how that device works. I won't bother addressing the rest of your rebuttal since most of them are "I don't need" or "there's an app for it", but we both know the real answers. (Whatever happens to "It just works"?) If that is true, there are plenty of other phones that don't do a lot of things or do them well either. So why then, iPhone4?

The iPhone was a game changer for the industry, we all recognize that. We also give Apple credits for changing the aesthetic of computer hardware in general. It made other manufacturers stood up and develop products to compete with it. And compete they did. The rest, as they say, is history. Only, if only the apples fanbois recognize it as well.
 

MotionMan

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MotionMan, there are so many holes in your arguments that an ATOT bus could drive through it. It began with you introducing the ridiculous notion that one must own a device to give an in-depth analysis of how that device works. I won't bother addressing the rest of your rebuttal since most of them are "I don't need" or "there's an app for it", but we both know the real answers. (Whatever happens to "It just works"?) If that is true, there are plenty of other phones that don't do a lot of things or do them well either. So why then, iPhone4?

I did not say you had to own it. I believe that "playing around" with it a little and then declaring an all-time champion is ridiculous. Notice I have never said that the iPhone is better than your phone, merely that your assertion is faulty.

You claim that your phone is better because it does certain things that the iPhone does not. My response is merely that, with a quick download, it can do many of those things. Maybe not out of the box, but are you running your phone completely stock right now?

The rest of those things are simply not material to me. The steering wheel on your BMW can be easily removed and replaced when the leather starts to fade? I don't need that, so it is not material to the discussion.

Drive a bus through that.

The iPhone was a game changer for the industry, we all recognize that. We also give Apple credits for changing the aesthetic of computer hardware in general. It made other manufacturers stood up and develop products to compete with it. And compete they did. The rest, as they say, is history. Only, if only the apples fanbois recognize it as well.

I am not being a fanboy. Actually, you are:

Originally Posted by SSSnail
My mytouch 4G >>>>>>>(infinite)>>>>>>>> iphone4. True story!

I have no problem with people saying they like their phone better than another. Saying that a phone is better infinity than the iPhone something different.

MotionMan
 

MrX8503

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Ok, i'll play your game. I don't have to purchase a hyundai elantra and drive it around to know it won't perform like a bmw; to say otherwise is dishonest.

Also, ask yourself these questions and you'll have your answers:

1. Before the iphone "cover patch", did you have problems making calls? How about now?
2. Do you haver built-in radio?
3. Can your phone serve as a wifi hotspot?
4. Wifi calling?
5. Video conferencing? Without bring close to wifi?
6. Can you add more storage space?
7. Flash, do you speak it?
8. 3.5" vs. 3.8" screen, nuf said.
9. Swype! (to be fair, it's a program - but exclusive to android)
10. My phone has a cover, you know, for when I want to open it to say, exchange the battery or, I don't know, swap out the sd card.
11. Active display. I know that's a minor point, but it's pretty cool.
12. I have seven home screens, a dedicated "home button" and some other dedicated buttons to "simplify" things, if you're into that short if things.
13. My main button is actually a track mouse, which is kinda redundant since my fingers are already doing the pointing.
14. I can put just about all kinda media on my phone and enjoy them.

Ok, your turn.

Your starting a flame war and all of those points are personal preferences/subjective.
 

SSSnail

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Your starting a flame war and all of those points are personal preferences/subjective.
No, they are not preferences or personal subjective, most of them are technical feats that are just NOT available on the iPhone4 - there are distinct differences.

Take for instance the wifi hotspot capability - I need to use my laptop and no wifi in sight, guess what? Out come my phone with a SECURED connection. I'm actually contemplating whether I still need my ISP at home because the connection my phone provides is THAT good.

I go shopping, want to show something to my fiancee? NO FREAKING PROBLEM!

I want to get on the INTERNET to check out some videos? NO FREAKING PROBLEM!

etc...

Anyways, you're right that when it comes to phones, people have different preferences. I prefer a technically superior phone.

Edit: I'm done with this thread.

I am glad you said it cuz I was about to tell you to.
And it isn't just you. MotionMan, back off, and drop it. MrX, don't stir the pot.
Let this thing die, or I start handing out punishments.
Moderator TheStu
 
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MotionMan

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I don't think I was flaming at all. I thought I was bringing up good points of discussion. That being said, if one wants to think their BMW is technically superior to a Lexus, to each their own.

MotionMan

What did I just say? Drop it, or bear the consequences.
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kaerflog

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I was an extensive Android user until I got my hand on an IP4.
Been using it for about 3 months now and its hard for me to go back to Android right now.
The main draw for me is the apps.
I'd prefered a 4" screen but the retina display makes up for the smaller screen.
Hard to explain it but I like the IP4 for everyday usage.
 

vbuggy

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Am I understanding you correctly by interpreting that as you condemning Apple for building products which are easy to use? Products which the average layperson can just pick up and within a very short time be able to use. Because that's a ridiculous stance to take. I like Apple products but I haven't owned a Mac in over 10 years but everyone using Windows should be grateful for the GUI pioneering work done at PARC and which was advanced greatly by Apple. Just because it's easy to use doesn't mean it isn't fully featured or powerful.

I don't know about the rest of you but even if a device is powerful, if the interface is crap or it's difficult to use, it won't be my device of choice.

Only partly. What I was saying is that people who think they know what they're doing actually find it harder to adjust to Apple's ways than complete ignoramuses.

If you like I'm 'condemning' a particular niche of moron, not the manufacturer. I have some issues with the hardware, but in terms of soft/firmware I have comparatively few issues with the Fisher-Priceness of the Apple approach for what I do with their stuff, especially given the app ecosystem.
 
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akugami

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Only partly. What I was saying is that people who think they know what they're doing actually find it harder to adjust to Apple's ways than complete ignoramuses.

If you like I'm 'condemning' a particular niche of moron, not the manufacturer. I have some issues with the hardware, but in terms of soft/firmware I have comparatively few issues with the Fisher-Priceness of the Apple approach for what I do with their stuff, especially given the app ecosystem.

Apple is widely recognized by users and critics as a company that prides itself on ease of use. Many of the modern interface paradigms were invented at Apple. Now, it would be silly to say that everything Apple has thought up worked. But it is ridiculous to not recognize Apple's numerous contributions to easing computer use or recognize that Apple has designed many products that were easy to use and feature rich. Sometimes we have to design things differently from the given status quo.

Heck, a lot of people gave Microsoft a lot of flack for the ribbon interface and said it was hard to use. What MS did with Office and the ribbon interface is similar to how Apple works for the most part. Just because it's new and different doesn't mean it isn't better in the long run.

Since this forum deals mostly with gadgets and phones and this post was about the iPhone we'll try to restrict this conversation to iPhones. The iPhone, when released, was at the very top of the smart phone hierarchy. It is as feature rich as any other touch based smart phone. There isn't a whole lot you can do on other phones that you can't do on the iPhone. And even if we moved beyond phones and music players, we'll find that most of Apple's products are very feature rich and powerful. Not always the most economically priced but very powerful and feature rich nevertheless.

The wording of your posts can't help but give others the impression you are biased against Apple. While it is a mistake to believe that Apple sits at the cutting edge for all or even most of their products, their products are usually competitive in their respective markets.

Apple's products are designed to be as easy as possible to use. That doesn't mean they're Fisher Price products which I would translate as meaning a product or device used to teach/learn with for small children.

The design of the iPhone and the limits on what it can/can't do does make sense. But just because you limit certain features doesn't make a product a kids toy. I actually applaud Apple for some of the limits it puts on products like the iPhone, though I wish they allowed power users to escalate what they can do with it provided they know they will get reduced support in exchange for the extra features such as being able to run unsigned apps.

Look at the news about apps gathering/stealing data and identity information. Look at the recent news about a botnet like malware making the rounds on Android. Sometimes limiting features does make sense. And again, just because you limit certain features doesn't mean the product isn't a powerful and feature rich one.