The internet is dead in canada... 25gb cap for everybody

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Rhoxed

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no caps for me 15m/2m but I am verizon DSL (they don't have FIOS here yet)

our local cable provider (brighthouse networks) also has no caps on their service.
 

spidey07

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Per usage pricing will be the norm. Thank the abusers and very small percentage of users for that.
 

Engineer

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Per usage pricing will be the norm. Thank the abusers and very small percentage of users for that.

and everyone will be punished as the caps are set much lower than they should be and everyone (on average) will end up paying more. This will be used to drive revenues/profits up...period.
 

spidey07

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and everyone will be punished as the caps are set much lower than they should be and everyone (on average) will end up paying more. This will be used to drive revenues/profits up...period.

The business of business is to make money. Get over it.
 

JimmiG

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While that solution is very effective, it only works on the ".com" protocol. This won't have as profound an effect on most Canadians, though any little bit helps.

Another way to save bandwidth is to disconnect your monitor when not in use. This will prevent the internet weather and time daemons from updating (what's the point of updating if you can't see it, right?).


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Actually, it works anywhere in the world. If you have a 64gig system, you don't want double requests for all data you download, once for the 32gig prossor and again for 64gig one. If you delete system32, it will only do 64gig requests which halves your bandwidth usage.
 
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Per usage pricing will be the norm. Thank the abusers and very small percentage of users for that.

I don't really have a problem with charging internet like electricity, but if they are going to do it, it should not be obscene pricing. $2/GB is excessive and 25GB caps are ridiculously low. My electricity doesn't cost $2/kWhr.
 

ShawnD1

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Your math is right but are you sure about kB vs kb? I'd have a hard time believing wow uses 15 kB/s while if it's kb/s it works out to more like 130 MB/day.
Yep, I'm absolutely certain.

Back when I ran a server for Team Fortress Classic, it worked out that every client connected to the server required 3KB/s of bandwidth. Since my server was on DSL, I used that as the model for estimating how many clients I could support. When I tried to go beyond that, it lagged as predicted.
Team Fortress 2 is way more extreme than that. If you type "net graph 3" in console, you'll see that a client in Team Fortress 2 requires anywhere between 10-20KB/s.

WoW has roughly the same amount of stuff going on. To ensure that you can't cheat, almost everything is handled by the server. The server tells you where the monsters are, what they are doing, how they responded to what you just did, where other players are, what the other player looks like, etc.
 
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I'll just cut the Internet off at that point or get a $20 plan that has a 5gb cap or something. Just enough to do online banking, shopping, web browsing. I've lived without Internet before.
 

Engineer

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The business of business is to make money. Get over it.

Oh, I will. If my price goes up, I'll shop around and/or drop other services from the cable company. I will not pay more than I currently am. My business is to make money for me...I'm the CEO of me...get over it yourself.

You've become a real ass lately.

I'll just cut the Internet off at that point or get a $20 plan that has a 5gb cap or something. Just enough to do online banking, shopping, web browsing. I've lived without Internet before.

This.
 

airdata

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Additional Usage Plans can be purchased starting at $5/month for an additional 40GB

Death of internet could be an exaggeration.

The devils advocate can easily see them wanting to meter usage. Having a cap is kind of weak though. It's a way for them to meter usage in a manner where they can still charge casual people the same amount per month, but penalize those who use more bandwidth.
 

AnitaPeterson

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One way to get the ISPs to back off of their ridiculously low caps is to BLOCK ALL ADS to save bandwidth. This will at least get the advertisers on your side. I recommend replacing your hosts file with this one (with the added benefit of blocking malicious sites as well). More info here.

In the meantime, you can save more bandwidth with Opera Turbo (available in Opera 11).

This is excellent. Marked.
 
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http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011/01/25/tech-crtc-bandwidth.html
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CRTC-Finalizes-ISP-UsageBased-Billing-112406
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...t-on-usage-based-billing-fees/article1882339/

Bell/crtc hit the final nail in the coffin today, im sure cable will follow soon.
One user got an email from his isp recently, the charges are as follow


So if you use between 55-300gb a month expect to pay almost $100 for internet access.

With these dsl/cable companies also offering tv services, how can a streaming company like netflix survive?

You could watch 25 movies via Netflix stremaing and not hit 25 GB. 25 GB is alot. The only people doing that are torrenting.
 
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You could watch 25 movies via Netflix stremaing and not hit 25 GB. 25 GB is alot. The only people doing that are torrenting.

Bullshit. My roommate and I easily go over 25GB a month, and neither of us partakes in downloading stuff off usenet or torrenting.
 

Phokus

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Per usage pricing will be the norm. Thank the abusers and very small percentage of users for that.

Oh hey, here's spidey with his terrible opinions again. You can add netflix users to your category of 'abusers'... hell, you could probably even add youtubers and hulu people as well.
 
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Rhoxed

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Bullshit. My roommate and I easily go over 25GB a month, and neither of us partakes in downloading stuff off usenet or torrenting.

This -

I don't torrent but I use around 150GB a month - 2 hd movies off netflix = 2gb a day (give or take) ~2 games per month at 6GB your already at 72gb - not including when i watch a movie and my g/f watching some dumbass show on hulu for hours at a time. A 25GB cap would be horrible.
 
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One way to get the ISPs to back off of their ridiculously low caps is to BLOCK ALL ADS to save bandwidth. This will at least get the advertisers on your side. I recommend replacing your hosts file with this one (with the added benefit of blocking malicious sites as well). More info here.

In the meantime, you can save more bandwidth with Opera Turbo (available in Opera 11).

Could you explain the hosts file thing? What's it do, how does it work, etc..? Why Opera turbo over firefox with adblock and noscript?
 

ShawnD1

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You could watch 25 movies via Netflix stremaing and not hit 25 GB. 25 GB is alot. The only people doing that are torrenting.

Standard 720p videos on youtube are 2mbits/s.

(25 Gbits) * (1024 mbit/gbit) / (2 mbit/s) / (3600 s/hour) = 3.55 hours

You will exceed your monthly cap if you watch youtube for 4 hours.

I'm not sure if that 25GB is bits or bytes, so it might be 3.55 * 8 = 28.4 hours. That's not hard to do when there are 2 or 3 people in your house.

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Average American Joe watches about 4 hours of TV per day, IIRC.
 
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Bill Brasky

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Standard 720p videos on youtube are 2mbits/s.

(25 Gbits) * (1024 mbit/gbit) / (2 mbit/s) / (3600 s/hour) = 3.55 hours

You will exceed your monthly cap if you watch youtube for 4 hours.

I'm not sure if that 25GB is bits or bytes, so it might be 3.55 * 8 = 28.4 hours. That's not hard to do when there are 2 or 3 people in your house.

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Average American Joe watches about 4 hours of TV per day, IIRC.

Youtube watchers are abusing the system. Didn't you get the memo?
 

Patranus

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This is what happens when you allow monopolies. I thought they were illegal, yet governments are always making exceptions. Corruption is everywhere.

What are you talking about?
You can buy more bandwidth if you need to use more.

If I have a 250 minute "cap" on my cell phone minutes I can always purchase minute 251.
 

Ninjahedge

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There is a much easier way to do all this, but they do not want to go through all the trouble (and they probably have alterior motives like video monopolies and curtailment of illegal downloads).

Simply put meters on when the system is most taxed. Just like the bridges and tunnels in NYC.

You DL at 3am, WHO CARES? DL to your heart's desire, but 6pm when everyone is coming home from work? Cap-city.

Cale it "Prime Time Bandwidth" and offer plans that give you more whenever you want, and others that offer discounts for limiting during peak hours. JUST LIKE CELL PHONES!

Peak cap = 25G
Off Peak cap = 300G

Peak charge = $1/G
OP charge = $0.10/G

Also, don't start doing this sneaky stuff. Simply throttle the connection if the limit is reached until the user confirms that they want to be charged.

So your 7mB/s connection all of a sudden starts puttering along at 500kB/sec (hell, strip it down to classic DSL 128 rates!). I say make this speed free, but if they want to charge the $1/G you would need to be on there for a half hour before you are charged a buck (so an entire night of slow DLing would only cost you $15 or so, not a killer).

The slower you throttle it to, the less and less an issue the BW becomes.

I just can't see how so many of these guys do not know how to make a plan that not only will solve their traffic problem (keep upping the prices until you can meet the BW requirements, then use the additional profit to expand the systems...), but make more money, and offer a bit more choice for the client base.
 

Ninjahedge

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Oh hey, here's spidey with his terrible opinions again. You can add netflix users to your category of 'abusers'... hell, you could probably even add youtubers and hulu people as well.

If it can be used, and other companies are deliberately using the advertised bandwidth that these providers have promised, how is it abuse?

It is like every technical advance we have had. Whenever our ability/capability has gone up, people have learned to use every last bit of it.

The only true abuse were people that set up things like access portals (sorry for incorrect terminology) where people could do things like dial up and log in through their connection. Or ones where a whole dorm would be wired into a single subscription, or where a guy would set up a commercial website from his residential server (and stream at peak BW 24/7).

And don't even start w/torrents.

DL "Supernatural, Seasons 1-3" and UR done.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Actually, it works anywhere in the world. If you have a 64gig system, you don't want double requests for all data you download, once for the 32gig prossor and again for 64gig one. If you delete system32, it will only do 64gig requests which halves your bandwidth usage.

Ah, you may be right. There are more 64gig systems in the US than Canada, so that explains the additional bandwidth saved....

Could you explain the hosts file thing? What's it do, how does it work, etc..?

The hosts file tells your browser to look to your own system for the flash/images for the ads, and since it isn't actually there they don't get loaded. Depending on the size and quantity of the ads, this could add up to substantial bandwidth savings.

Why Opera turbo over firefox with adblock and noscript?
As for Opera Turbo, it forces Opera to use a proxy service hosted by Opera to compress images whenever it can (secure sites excluded). The images will look worse than normal, but you have the option of right-clicking the image to load the full-size original. Most sites will look slightly worse than normal, but are otherwise fully functional. The bandwidth saved can be substantial (as much as 64% according to Opera), and can even reduce bandwidth on ads if you decide to not block ads. This will only work with Opera.

Opera now has extensions similar to Firefox, and if you wish to use Adblock/Noscript you can use the single extension NoAds.
 

ShawnD1

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Youtube watchers are abusing the system. Didn't you get the memo?
Was this the same memo that said taking your kids to Taco Bell is child abuse because their beef contains soy and corn as filler?


If they're going to treat internet like a utility, then they need to stop fucking around and treat it like a utility. The way house power works is that I get as much power as I want at any given time. I can run every appliance in the house - all at the same time. If you want to start charging a per GB rate for internet, then you bastards better not put a speed cap on it too since that's not how utilities work. I don't need to turn off the dishwasher before I take a shower and I don't need to turn off my computer before turning on the vacuum cleaner.