The IDF Thread

[Phynaz]

Intel just demoed a Nehalem system.

Edit:

Penryn launch November 12th.
15 45nm Products this year, another 20 1Q08.

32nm working SRAM wafers shown. If past Intel timetables are used for reference, this puts 32nm ~4 months ahead of schedule.

Edit 2:
Nehalem IMC and interconnect (CSI) to be named "QuickPath".

Edit 3:
Nehalem 2nd half 2008.

Silverthorn on track for 2008 release.

25 watt Penryn chips next year.

Edit 4:
Anand's article is now up, he grabbed some nice photos!

Edit 5:
I'm being told production Penryn chips are running at 3.85Ghz in the demo area.

 

[jones377]

And Otellini claims it taped out 3 weeks ago. Just how fast can you rush prototypes through production?

 

[Phynaz]

When you have a dedicated fab for this kind of thing, pretty quickly I guess!

 

[21stHermit]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Intel just demoed an 8 core Nehalem system.

Most applications can't recognize and/or make use of 2 cores, so 8!!! I'm convinced that the "solution" is some form or hardware/firmware trick to make all those cores look like one processor to all applications.

That'll be the Day!!!

Hermit

 

[tw1164]

what socket(s) is the Nehalem chip going to be?

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: tw1164
what socket(s) is the Nehalem chip going to be?

Not 775, if that's what your asking. I read somewhere that the complexity involved in Nehalem required many more pins, possibly reaching ovef 1k+... I'll have to find the source.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Penryn not even released yet. Than we find the new born 3week old Nehalem talking already. In that 4 core die shot it looks so cute. LOL.

I want Larrabee info .

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Aflac

Originally posted by: tw1164
what socket(s) is the Nehalem chip going to be?

Not 775, if that's what your asking. I read somewhere that the complexity involved in Nehalem required many more pins, possibly reaching ovef 1k+... I'll have to find the source.

LGA1366 (Socket B)
LGA715 (Socket H)

Source: VR-Zone

So, I guess no drop-in replacement. A new motherboard will be needed.

 

[Phynaz]

I see Anand has an article up now.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Fugger O/C to 5.56ghz

http://blogs.business2.com/uti...9/live-paul-otell.html

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Penryn not even released yet. Than we find the new born 3week old Nehalem talking already. In that 4 core die shot it looks so cute. LOL.

I want Larrabee info .

You'll have to wait until spring, Intel is being tight lipped today.

 

[Ika]

Jeez, Nehalem is a lot closer than I thought... here's hoping cheap quads from Penryn will be able to stave off the upgrade bug...

 

[SexyK]

Man, AMD hasn't even shipped a single quad core chip yet and is still working on perfecting its 65nm process, and Intel is already publicly running XP and OSX on a 45nm 8-core/16-thread chip with CSI and an IMC. Scary stuff for the AMD camp, but its hard to not get excited about the possibilities Nehalem brings with it.

EDIT: The public showing was a 4-core/8-thread version of Nehalem, but the fact that the next gen quad-core is already up and running before AMD's first gen is out is still fairly impressive.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SexyK
Man, AMD hasn't even shipped a single quad core chip yet and is still working on perfecting its 65nm process, and Intel is already publicly running XP and OSX on a 45nm 8-core/16-thread chip with CSI and an IMC. Scary stuff for the AMD camp, but its hard to not get excited about the possibilities Nehalem brings with it.

Indeed. This is by far the worst situation AMD has ever been in. Endless delays for K10, the wasted and stupendously expensive acquisition of ATI, the brutal dominance of C2D/C2Q, disappointing final performance of Barcelona, multiple quarters with losses nearing the 2 billion dollar mark (likely to hit 2.2/2.3 billion lost in 1 year when AMD's next QR hits), the hits just keep on coming.

Hopefully a competent group acquires the sodomized & mutilated corpse of AMD and does something worthwhile with it. Samsung or IBM I think would do wonderfully.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: SexyK
Intel is already publicly running XP and OSX

I almost missed the mention of OSX. I don't see Apple on the list of sponsors and exhibitors on the IDF homepage. You'd think they'd be there to show off some MacIntel systems.

 

[jones377]

Hold on. Where did they specifically say the chip that was running WinXP was the octo-core one? The dieshot "I am Nehalem" at Dailytech is a quadcore.

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: jones377
Hold on. Where did they specifically say the chip that was running WinXP was the octo-core one? The dieshot "I am Nehalem" at Dailytech is a quadcore.

Blasting an email off to my IDF contact for clarification...

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: jones377
Hold on. Where did they specifically say the chip that was running WinXP was the octo-core one? The dieshot "I am Nehalem" at Dailytech is a quadcore.

You are right - I reread Anand's article and it says that 8-core will be the top-end configuration then lower down it says they were showing off 4-core/8-thread at the show. I will update original post. Still an impressive feat, though.

 

[Nemesis 1]

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[OneOfTheseDays]

Yikes things just keep getting worse for AMD. I'm ready to say that the writing is on the wall.

 

[Stoneburner]

I don't understand the hype for penryn, we already know it's not much better than conroe according to anand's preview. As for Nehalem, it could turn out to be unspectacular like barcelona, it could turn out to be a dud like pentium D's.

 

[JackPack]

Originally posted by: jones377
Hold on. Where did they specifically say the chip that was running WinXP was the octo-core one? The dieshot "I am Nehalem" at Dailytech is a quadcore.

It was quad-core, but the monolithic octo-core version of Nehalem for MP systems is not far behind.

 

[GreenChile]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
I don't understand the hype for penryn, we already know it's not much better than conroe according to anand's preview. As for Nehalem, it could turn out to be unspectacular like barcelona, it could turn out to be a dud like pentium D's.

And it could turn out to be the greatest thing since sliced cheese. So what's your point?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
I don't understand the hype for penryn, we already know it's not much better than conroe according to anand's preview. As for Nehalem, it could turn out to be unspectacular like barcelona, it could turn out to be a dud like pentium D's.

What hype . All the hype has been around K10 for over a year. Penryn wasn't Hyped Most said it was a simple die shrink which wasn't true.

Your right about Nehalem . But the way intel is going I wouldn't bit on Nehalem flopping

I think the anand article also said they didn't have production cpus or Chipsets. If you want K10 to be fairly tested with retail cpus and good chipsets . Doesn't Penryn deserve the same?

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
I don't understand the hype for penryn, we already know it's not much better than conroe according to anand's preview. As for Nehalem, it could turn out to be unspectacular like barcelona, it could turn out to be a dud like pentium D's.

I don't understand this post. Penryn is the "tick" in Intel's "tick/tock" so no one was expecting major changes to the architecture. The benefits will be SSE4, other minor arch tweaks, more cache, lower power consumption and higher clocks. Nehalem is the "tock" that will bring a complete redesign of the architecture as well as an IMC and CSI to the 45nm process that will be extremely mature by then. Based on Intel's execution since the inception of the "tick/tock" concept and the core and interface improvements that have already been discussed by Intel, there is no reason to think that Nehalem will be anything but a significant leap forward from the Core 2 architecture that's in Conroe and Penryn. Of course only time will tell, but it's hard to deny that Intel's execution has been nearly flawless since the Core 2 introduction.