The Identifying Characteristics of Fascism

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Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
you have more religious, economic, political, social freedom here than any other country in the world.
people are not clamoring to emigrant to anywhere in africa that i know of, nobody clamoring to emigrate to Russia or china (well, maybe the N. Koreans are, but anything would be better than that). Our two closest neighbors, Mexico and Canada, both have their people emigrating in droves to the U.S.

if it sucks here so bad, how come everyone wants to come here?

please identify by name a country where you believe the overall situation is "superior"
i will be interested in your answers to this question.
I agree. That's one reason I have so little patience with people who cry about their taxes, or business regulations, environmental programs, welfare costs, or whatever -- especially since these things seem to be loosening lately, particularly taxes. They whine about how awful it is here, yet they don't want to relocate to some third-world hell-hole where they can indulge their unfettered capitalistic fantasies with abandon. No minimum wages, no safety regulations, no unions, no environmental constraints. It would seem every capitalist would be abandoning the U.S. on the first available corporate jet.

Yet they stay. They whine, but they stay. Why is that?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
you have more religious, economic, political, social freedom here than any other country in the world.
people are not clamoring to emigrant to anywhere in africa that i know of, nobody clamoring to emigrate to Russia or china (well, maybe the N. Koreans are, but anything would be better than that). Our two closest neighbors, Mexico and Canada, both have their people emigrating in droves to the U.S.

if it sucks here so bad, how come everyone wants to come here?

please identify by name a country where you believe the overall situation is "superior"
i will be interested in your answers to this question.
I agree. That's one reason I have so little patience with people who cry about their taxes, or business regulations, environmental programs, welfare costs, or whatever -- especially since these things seem to be loosening lately, particularly taxes. They whine about how awful it is here, yet they don't want to relocate to some third-world hell-hole where they can indulge their unfettered capitalistic fantasies with abandon. No minimum wages, no safety regulations, no unions, no environmental constraints. It would seem every capitalist would be abandoning the U.S. on the first available corporate jet.

Yet they stay. They whine, but they stay. Why is that?
Two words.

Wal Mart ;)

 

heartsurgeon

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Country Population/immigrant application ratio for every couontry in question. Until such time your post is totally vapid.
you liberals are so easy .... sucked you right in....of course i have references. now answer my question..name a country that you believe is "better" than the U.S. based upon number of people migrating there.

linky - this link shows that sub-sahara africa, near east and north africa, China (mainland and Tiawan), "Other asia", Latin America and the carribean, Eastern Europe and the newly independant states, have net migratation rates negative or much less than Europe and the U.S.

here is the 2003 estimates from the CIA World Factbook
linky

the U.S has a substantial positive migration rate (rate per 1000), and when taken in context of population size linky, i don't believe any country has as many migrants coming in as the U.S.

all of my children will be born with the option of alternative citizenship
that's a start....
as for china, the most populace country in the world, it has a net negative migration rate. for a country with so much "potential" don't you think it's curious that people are trying to get out?

i'll tell you a story...i have a friend who is persian-american. he has family in iran. he hates bush, and wishes he lived in france. i asked him why he doesn't move to france, he states that he doesn't want to move his kids to another country right now. well gee, if the u.s. is so sh!tty, why doesn't he want to raise his kids in a better enviroment? the final joke of all of this is that his sister, who lives in iran and "hates bush" wants him to help her migrate to the U.S!! this just cracks me up.....
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
you have more religious, economic, political, social freedom here than any other country in the world.
people are not clamoring to emigrant to anywhere in africa that i know of, nobody clamoring to emigrate to Russia or china (well, maybe the N. Koreans are, but anything would be better than that). Our two closest neighbors, Mexico and Canada, both have their people emigrating in droves to the U.S.

if it sucks here so bad, how come everyone wants to come here?

please identify by name a country where you believe the overall situation is "superior"
i will be interested in your answers to this question.
I don't see any signs of huge inrush of people coming here except for the ones that will never speak English from south of the Border.

You have massive numbers to post of European, Asians etc coming in here, I'd like to see the facts.



 

heartsurgeon

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BaliBabyDoc

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Uh, OK . . .

Canada 6.01 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . probably terrorists trying to get into the US.

US 3.52 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.)

West Bank 3.07 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . hmm that's a lot of terrorists.

Afghanistan 10.32 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . now that's a WHOLE lot of terrorists.

Bermuda 2.56 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . and taking US corporate profits with them.

Brunei 3.75 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . I hear the Vatican is looking for a new ambassador.:disgust::(

British VI 10.45 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . aquamarine waters vs black tar heroin (Afghanistan).

China -0.23 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . hmm, I wonder if it's crowded?

Eritrea -13.38 migrant(s)/1,000 population . . . Coalition partner.

Grenada -14.56 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . Coalition partner.

Jersey 2.77 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . oh I know that's a lie.

North Korea 0 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . uh . . . let's hear it for BAD intelligence.

Marshall Is. -6.18 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . Coalition partner.

Micronesia -20.98 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . Coalition partner.

Montserrat 34.8 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . HELLO . . . active volcano!?!

Qatar 17.48 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . I hear the US taxpayer is sponsoring a mad jobs program.

Singapore 25.76 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2003 est.) . . . recently sentenced a cop to 2-years of jail for receiving fellatio.

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Country Population/immigrant application ratio for every couontry in question. Until such time your post is totally vapid.
you liberals are so easy .... sucked you right in....of course i have references. now answer my question..name a country that you believe is "better" than the U.S. based upon number of people migrating there.

linky - this link shows that sub-sahara africa, near east and north africa, China (mainland and Tiawan), "Other asia", Latin America and the carribean, Eastern Europe and the newly independant states, have net migratation rates negative or much less than Europe and the U.S.

here is the 2003 estimates from the CIA World Factbook
linky

the U.S has a substantial positive migration rate (rate per 1000), and when taken in context of population size [L=linky][/L], i don't believe any country has as many migrants coming in as the U.S.

all of my children will be born with the option of alternative citizenship
that's a start....
as for china, the most populace country in the world, it has a net negative migration rate. for a country with so much "potential" don't you think it's curious that people are trying to get out?

i'll tell you a story...i have a friend who is persian-american. he has family in iran. he hates bush, and wishes he lived in france. i asked him why he doesn't move to france, he states that he doesn't want to move his kids to another country right now. well gee, if the u.s. is so sh!tty, why doesn't he want to raise his kids in a better enviroment? the final joke of all of this is that his sister, who lives in iran and "hates bush" wants him to help her migrate to the U.S!! this just cracks me up.....
As I thought your post is a total fabrication. Not only does "everyone" not want to immigrate to the USA people immigrat to other countries in far greater porportions than the United States. And none of these links you can assimilate country disirability since that would require a country population/applicants ratio..But we'll work with what we have.

[L=Your Link]http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2112.html[/L]

"Net Migration Rate - the net balance between in-migration to an area and out-migration from the area over a specified period of time (e.g., 10 years) on the area's population. When one refers to a net migration rate this net balance is expressed as an increase or a decrease per 1,000 population of the area at the start of the time period."

Who beats us?
Afghanistan of all places! By a factor of 4!
And about 40 other nations.





now answer my question..name a country that you believe is "better" than the U.S.
I'm kinda partail to Switzerland or New Zealand or France right now.
 

Zebo

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you have more religious, economic, political, social freedom here than any other country in the world.
Lets debunk some of this other BS flag worshiping while were at it.

Economics?
Second only to Mexico in child poverty
Economic freedom stat. 8ths not bad I guess but certainly not "more"
GDP per capita is 2nd!!!... too bad those starving children get none:(
I see why, we don't really make that much when its amortized.. only 6th position

political?
Olny two parties which are identical?
Try 30th in democracy:(

social freedom?
8th highest crime rate in the world.. Free to get robbed. No the by the governemnt HS by a violent felon.
And still more prisoner percapita than any place on the planet..


Well it seems obvious why "everyone" does'nt want to come here now HS, Were damn near a third world county.. Why leave when the grass is the same color? Need major improvement and telling yourself everything is peachy does nothing to do this.
 

Zebo

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1. Luxembourg $39,171.23 per person
2. Switzerland $37,934.86 per person
3. Japan $35,597.56 per person
4. Norway $35,579.17 per person
5. United States $34,858.61 per person
6. Denmark $30,546.58 per person
7. Iceland $29,180.2 per person
8. Sweden $25,459.8 per person
9. United Kingdom $24,758.27 per person
10. Netherlands $24,272.15 per person
11. Austria $23,868.01 per person
12. Belgium $23,845.21 per person
13. Finland $23,728.91 per person
14. Germany $23,302.8 per person
15. Hong Kong $23,277.05 per person
16. France $23,090.05 per person
17. Ireland $22,593.87 per person
18. Brunei $22,096.79 per person
19. Canada $21,377.77 per person
Notice how these are all socialist havens? While the following are "free-market" "less goverment" "less taxes" utopias?

83. Peru $1,867.98 per person
84. Maldives $1,754.39 per person
85. Russia $1,745.08 per person
86. Suriname $1,744.26 per person
87. Bulgaria $1,737.33 per person
88. Romania $1,730.32 per person
89. Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of $1,682.2 per person
90. Jordan $1,655.21 per person
91. Iran $1,636.08 per person
92. Algeria $1,580.9 per person
93. Marshall Islands $1,559.88 per person
94. Guatemala $1,469.8 per person
95. Cape Verde $1,458.99 per person
96. Samoa $1,454.15 per person
97. Tonga $1,453.01 per person
98. Egypt $1,408.95 per person
99. Paraguay $1,290.66 per person
100. Bosnia and Herzegovina $1,270.55 per person
Things that make you go hum:)
 

BaliBabyDoc

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God damn Zebo. You really are a US hating bastard aren't you?
How about an alternative explanation? Isn't it possible that America has better days ahead of it? Maybe if we invested more in our people and less in the military-industrial complex . . . we might move up some of those scales.

Just a question . . . hate the message . . . not the messenger. Admittedly, I would rather be poor in America than poor in Bangladesh . . . well . . . I would rather be poor in certain states . . . typically the blue ones.
 

Zebo

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And before you answer al don't forget the number one and the one one characteristic of a fascist.;)


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: alchemize
God damn Zebo. You really are a US hating bastard aren't you?
Why do you say that?
Well let's see, you comment about how you want to move to other countries (not only this thread, plus others), then proceed to point out every "fault" you can find with our "near third world country". Did those all stats kick in circa 2001, pray tell?

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
you have more religious, economic, political, social freedom here than any other country in the world.
people are not clamoring to emigrant to anywhere in africa that i know of, nobody clamoring to emigrate to Russia or china (well, maybe the N. Koreans are, but anything would be better than that). Our two closest neighbors, Mexico and Canada, both have their people emigrating in droves to the U.S.

if it sucks here so bad, how come everyone wants to come here?

please identify by name a country where you believe the overall situation is "superior"
i will be interested in your answers to this question.
I agree. That's one reason I have so little patience with people who cry about their taxes, or business regulations, environmental programs, welfare costs, or whatever -- especially since these things seem to be loosening lately, particularly taxes. They whine about how awful it is here, yet they don't want to relocate to some third-world hell-hole where they can indulge their unfettered capitalistic fantasies with abandon. No minimum wages, no safety regulations, no unions, no environmental constraints. It would seem every capitalist would be abandoning the U.S. on the first available corporate jet.

Yet they stay. They whine, but they stay. Why is that?
Two words.

Wal Mart ;)
:D
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
God damn Zebo. You really are a US hating bastard aren't you?
How about an alternative explanation? Isn't it possible that America has better days ahead of it? Maybe if we invested more in our people and less in the military-industrial complex . . . we might move up some of those scales.

Just a question . . . hate the message . . . not the messenger. Admittedly, I would rather be poor in America than poor in Bangladesh . . . well . . . I would rather be poor in certain states . . . typically the blue ones.
Well, even Dean ain't gonna provide you that ;)

I do not favor decreasing the Pentagon budget
I'd rather be poor in america, than RICH in bangladesh.

 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Zebo
And before you answer al don't forget the number one and the one one characteristic of a fascist.;)


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Yah whatever. Takes a real quality type of person from an undetermined political party to make patriotism a bad word.

Are you claiming to be an artist or an academic?
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: alchemize
God damn Zebo. You really are a US hating bastard aren't you?
Why do you say that?
Well let's see, you comment about how you want to move to other countries (not only this thread, plus others), then proceed to point out every "fault" you can find with our "near third world country". Did those all stats kick in circa 2001, pray tell?
Never said I wanted to move anyplace. Mulling and wanting are quite different emotions. Ones an exploritory notion while the other implies finality. Plus HS asked an alternative to USA! However If things go down the drain and we revert to a police state you bet I'll be drinking a Cuvée tradition in Montpelier while you guys fight amongst each other.

No fault, ok. don't vote then. and Why are you here if not to talk shop and address issues? And I have'nt addressed "every" fault. What is it with you guys and your absolutes? "Every" and we'd be here all day.

Those stats are from various sources you'll find by reading to footnotes. I only used that page because it complies them for succint retrival and graphical ranking.



 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: alchemize
God damn Zebo. You really are a US hating bastard aren't you?
I do wonder if Bush hates America at times though since he decides against showing
The dedication of the US Consititution Center.. The fact they blow off solicitations alludes to a very real lack of respect for the Constitution.

The first ever and only such public memorial created, voted upon by the Congress to celebrate the Constitution of these United States. This dedication was a one-of-a-kind, once-in-a-lifetime thing -- of enormous national significance -- Not some mundane category of everyday "fund raisers" and "photo ops", none of which Bush ever willingly passes up. :(

Like his PA which shows utter contempt for the consititution and all things right about western law and ruining our reputation world wide as a "city on the hill" wer'nt enough.



And Al, "Citizenship" is not loyalty to the government, but to the ideals of the Nation. Which can be found in that quaint document Bush seems to have utter contemt for.
 

heartsurgeon

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ah..short attention span posters...hot flash..to see how the world votes with its feet, you have to take the migration rate and multiple it by the population..i even gave you a hint that it required some rudimentary math skills..alas i expected way to much from my liberal friends (some of whom seem to allude to some sort of post-graduate education)

i'm sorry if i sound condescending, but goodness gracious you don't even have fundamental math skills.....

take the rate of migration, and multiply it by the population to get the actual number migrating into the country.....i know that reading is a hard enough for you all, and that multiplication may be beyond your abilities on a nite like tonite so here we go.
population migration rate net migration
1 China 1,294,629,555 -.23 -300000/year
2 India 1,065,070,607 -.07 -75000/year
3 United States 293,027,571 +3.52 +1030000/year
4 Indonesia 238,452,952 0 0
5 Brazil 184,101,109 -.03 -5500/year
6 Pakistan 153,705,278 -.75 -115000/year
7 Russia 144,112,353 +.91 +131000
8 Bangladesh 141340476 -.72 -110000
9 Nigeria 137,253,133 +.26 +36000
10 Japan 127,333,002 0 0
11 Mexico 104,959,594 -2.65 -280000
12 Philippines 86,241,697
13 Vietnam 82,689,518
14 Germany 82,424,609 +2.18 +180000
15 Egypt 76,117,421
16 Iran 69,018,924
17 Turkey 68,893,918
18 Ethiopia 67,851,281
19 Thailand 64,865,523
20 France 60,424,213
21 United Kingdom 60,270,708
22 Congo (Kinshasa) 58,317,930
23 Italy 58,057,477
24 Korea, South 48,598,175
25 Ukraine 47,732,079
26 Burma 42,720,196
27 South Africa 42,718,530
28 Colombia 42,310,775
29 Spain 40,280,780
30 Sudan 39,148,162
35 Canada 32,507,874 6.01 +195,000

i hate to burst you self-righteous, overblown "i know what's right" liberal uberview of the world, but yes indeed, over 1 million people/year vote with their feet to migrate to the united states, youre beloved canada receives less than 1/5 that number and the french and the germans even less than that. I don't know of a single country oin the world that recieves more migrants/year than the U.S.

you liberal whiners are pathetic. you can't read, and apparently you can't do simple math either.

god bless america. and yes, i really mean that, because we are a beacon of freedom and opportunity to the rest of the world. and if you don't think so, it's because your spoiled and don't have any clue as to how the rest of the world gets by with so much less of everything you take for granted.
 

alchemize

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I was thinking the same thing HS but got distracted by real life. Way to sucker them in ;)

As I thought your post is a total fabrication. Not only does "everyone" not want to immigrate to the USA people immigrat to other countries in far greater porportions than the United States.
Owned?
 

heartsurgeon

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see above


executive summary of above..

1)more than a million people/year migrate to the united states, more than any other nation in the world.
2)liberals can't read, and have even more trouble with math skills.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
see above


executive summary of above..

1)more than a million people/year migrate to the united states, more than any other nation in the world.
2)liberals can't read, and have even more trouble with math skills.
Wrong, that 1 million is nothing compared to what used to want to come over. Also missing from that number is more than 1 million from just South of the Border alone. We get at least 5 Greyhound Bus loads a day dropped off here straight from Mexico and an Amtrak train too.

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
ah..short attention span posters...hot flash..to see how the world votes with its feet, you have to take the migration rate and multiple it by the population..i even gave you a hint that it required some rudimentary math skills..alas i expected way to much from my liberal friends (some of whom seem to allude to some sort of post-graduate education)

i'm sorry if i sound condescending, but goodness gracious you don't even have fundamental math skills.....

take the rate of migration, and multiply it by the population to get the actual number migrating into the country.....i know that reading is a hard enough for you all, and that multiplication may be beyond your abilities on a nite like tonite so here we go.
population migration rate net migration
1 China 1,294,629,555 -.23 -300000/year
2 India 1,065,070,607 -.07 -75000/year
3 United States 293,027,571 +3.52 +1030000/year
4 Indonesia 238,452,952 0 0
5 Brazil 184,101,109 -.03 -5500/year
6 Pakistan 153,705,278 -.75 -115000/year
7 Russia 144,112,353 +.91 +131000
8 Bangladesh 141340476 -.72 -110000
9 Nigeria 137,253,133 +.26 +36000
10 Japan 127,333,002 0 0
11 Mexico 104,959,594 -2.65 -280000
12 Philippines 86,241,697
13 Vietnam 82,689,518
14 Germany 82,424,609 +2.18 +180000
15 Egypt 76,117,421
16 Iran 69,018,924
17 Turkey 68,893,918
18 Ethiopia 67,851,281
19 Thailand 64,865,523
20 France 60,424,213
21 United Kingdom 60,270,708
22 Congo (Kinshasa) 58,317,930
23 Italy 58,057,477
24 Korea, South 48,598,175
25 Ukraine 47,732,079
26 Burma 42,720,196
27 South Africa 42,718,530
28 Colombia 42,310,775
29 Spain 40,280,780
30 Sudan 39,148,162
35 Canada 32,507,874 6.01 +195,000

i hate to burst you self-righteous, overblown "i know what's right" liberal uberview of the world, but yes indeed, over 1 million people/year vote with their feet to migrate to the united states, youre beloved canada receives less than 1/5 that number and the french and the germans even less than that. I don't know of a single country oin the world that recieves more migrants/year than the U.S.

you liberal whiners are pathetic. you can't read, and apparently you can't do simple math either.

god bless america. and yes, i really mean that, because we are a beacon of freedom and opportunity to the rest of the world. and if you don't think so, it's because your spoiled and don't have any clue as to how the rest of the world gets by with so much less of everything you take for granted.

:::YAWN:::

Baffle em with bullsh1t, ad hom, ra ra ignore all the questions raised change the subject this is my last reponse on the subject to this idiot.

I did'nt do the math because it's unessesary for country disriablity. Thats already given by the migration rate which the united states ranks ~40th in, natually the untied states having a postive migration rate combined with it's huge 3rd overall population and huge land mass will have a higher aggregate of immigrants than smaller countries. Still it has a migration rate lower than 40 other countries. By definition it's not the most disirable.

Lets not forget you said "everyone" wants to come here which was never shown.





 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Czar
scary how well it fits

and if i were a little more motivated I could find liberal parallels as well


:frown:

doesnt this crap ever get old?

If anandtech has doen one thing for me it has turned me from a centrist to an anarchist.
 

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