The hypocrisy on the deficit is astounding

SAWYER

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When Bush was in office the hardcore Dems were all in arms about it and the hardcore Repubs didn't seem to have a problem with it, now the roles are reversed. Is it not hilarious and disgusting at the same time how this crap goes on? When will the hypocrisy and madness end? This applies to more than the deficit as well, almost all aspects of politics in our country. We would be so much better off the the partisan hacks on both sides would cut the crap be honest for a change.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
When Bush was in office the hardcore Dems were all in arms about it and the hardcore Repubs didn't seem to have a problem with it, now the roles are reversed. Is it not hilarious and disgusting at the same time how this crap goes on? When will the hypocrisy and madness end? This applies to more than the deficit as well, almost all aspects of politics in our country. We would be so much better off the the partisan hacks on both sides would cut the crap be honest for a change.

I dunno about that... I am pretty "hardcore" liberal and I cant stand this stimulus bill, or Bush and Obama's (both) lack of fiscal disciplin.

I mean, I know we need to do something, but hte pork in that bill makes me sick. That isnt change at all. Thats par for the course we have been on for 50+ years.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
It will end when we have a multi party government IMHO. Until then, its all partisan.

I did my part to vote third party last November, did you?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: blackangst1
It will end when we have a multi party government IMHO. Until then, its all partisan.

I did my part to vote third party last November, did you?

x2. Contrary to what the OP states, not all right-leaning posters "didn't seem to have a problem" with the Bush deficits. That's one of the first things that soured me on his presidency, and he caught plenty of fire from both the left and right for allowing the reckless spending of Congress.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: blackangst1
It will end when we have a multi party government IMHO. Until then, its all partisan.

I did my part to vote third party last November, did you?

No, because there werent any third party candidates worth voting for IMHO.
 

SAWYER

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of course not all left or right hardcore are like this, but there are plenty around on here, other boards and real life.
 

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: blackangst1
It will end when we have a multi party government IMHO. Until then, its all partisan.

I did my part to vote third party last November, did you?

x2. Contrary to what the OP states, not all right-leaning posters "didn't seem to have a problem" with the Bush deficits. That's one of the first things that soured me on his presidency, and he caught plenty of fire from both the left and right for allowing the reckless spending of Congress.

X3
 

halik

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Heh the sentiment should actually be very opposite - yields on treasury notes were high when dubbya went on a cok...err spending binge. Right now treasury yields are in their historical lows, which means borrowing (deficit) is cheap. You should be outraged at 5+%, not 0% apr
 

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Originally posted by: retrospooty

I mean, I know we need to do something, but hte pork in that bill makes me sick. That isnt change at all. Thats par for the course we have been on for 50+ years.

so what are those porks in the bill? care to point them out?
 

Genx87

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I never really had a problem with deficit spending by the fed govt provided it is within a small % 1-2.5% of GDP during a time of growth. Bush got out of control, especially at the end. And now Obama is taking it to a new level.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I never really had a problem with deficit spending by the fed govt provided it is within a small % 1-2.5% of GDP during a time of growth. Bush got out of control, especially at the end. And now Obama is taking it to a new level.

This. Stop the madness :(
 

senseamp

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We had policies of deregulation that resulted in banks running amok and bankrupting themselves, which resulted in a huge economic mess that needs to be cleaned up. So it's not hypocrisy, circumstances change.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
When Bush was in office the hardcore Dems were all in arms about it and the hardcore Repubs didn't seem to have a problem with it, now the roles are reversed. Is it not hilarious and disgusting at the same time how this crap goes on? When will the hypocrisy and madness end? This applies to more than the deficit as well, almost all aspects of politics in our country. We would be so much better off the the partisan hacks on both sides would cut the crap be honest for a change.

As has been explained on here repeatedly, the problem with Bush's deficit spending was that we got nothing for it. I've never had a problem with deficit spending as a concept, I have had a problem with Bush putting us in a hole for illegal wars and tax cuts for the rich.

All you've done is taken a complex issue and oversimplified it to make a ridiculous point. In fact, I should make a thread about how half the trolling threads in ATPN are people taking complex issues and oversimplifying them to make ridiculous points... because it's every bit as big a problem here as the one you're trying to describe.
 

SAWYER

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Was it really all Bush's spending, just like is all the "stimulus" Obama's spending? I don't think so.
 

Chunkee

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: blackangst1
It will end when we have a multi party government IMHO. Until then, its all partisan.

I did my part to vote third party last November, did you?

Yes, I did...and this is the start to making some positive changes that will actually work...that and limiting terms for all areas of elected and appointed officials. No more 30 year incumbents..wonder why things do not change?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
Was it really all Bush's spending, just like is all the "stimulus" Obama's spending? I don't think so.

Well since Bush never vetoed a spending bill and never vetoed a war appropriations bill, yes I would consider it his spending. They all had his signature on it. (yes I know he vetoed some Iraq war bills, but only to promote an alternate version with equal spending). The same goes for Obama, he signed em. When Congress passes something over the president's veto, maybe then it won't be his.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Sawyer
When Bush was in office the hardcore Dems were all in arms about it and the hardcore Repubs didn't seem to have a problem with it, now the roles are reversed. Is it not hilarious and disgusting at the same time how this crap goes on? When will the hypocrisy and madness end? This applies to more than the deficit as well, almost all aspects of politics in our country. We would be so much better off the the partisan hacks on both sides would cut the crap be honest for a change.

As has been explained on here repeatedly, the problem with Bush's deficit spending was that we got nothing for it. I've never had a problem with deficit spending as a concept, I have had a problem with Bush putting us in a hole for illegal wars and tax cuts for the rich.

All you've done is taken a complex issue and oversimplified it to make a ridiculous point. In fact, I should make a thread about how half the trolling threads in ATPN are people taking complex issues and oversimplifying them to make ridiculous points... because it's every bit as big a problem here as the one you're trying to describe.

Then you should be just as outraged that Obama is continuing the war madness as though Bush were still office ;)
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: blackangst1

Then you should be just as outraged that Obama is continuing the war madness as though Bush were still office ;)

Trust me, had Bush pledged to end the war in Iraq within a reasonable time frame and shifted those resources to Afghanistan (you know, the place that actually attacked us), I would have been an awfully happy camper. I'd love if anyone could find a single post I've made that was against the war in Afghanistan.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: blackangst1

Then you should be just as outraged that Obama is continuing the war madness as though Bush were still office ;)

Trust me, had Bush pledged to end the war in Iraq within a reasonable time frame and shifted those resources to Afghanistan (you know, the place that actually attacked us), I would have been an awfully happy camper. I'd love if anyone could find a single post I've made that was against the war in Afghanistan.

IIRC he had a 3 year pull out timetable. Same as Obamas pretty much.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
When Bush was in office the hardcore Dems were all in arms about it and the hardcore Repubs didn't seem to have a problem with it, now the roles are reversed. Is it not hilarious and disgusting at the same time how this crap goes on? When will the hypocrisy and madness end? This applies to more than the deficit as well, almost all aspects of politics in our country. We would be so much better off the the partisan hacks on both sides would cut the crap be honest for a change.

What you're missing is that the Republicans were in favor of deficit *spending* (and tax cut borrowing) while Democrats are now in favor of 'save the system' borrowing.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: blackangst1

Then you should be just as outraged that Obama is continuing the war madness as though Bush were still office ;)

Trust me, had Bush pledged to end the war in Iraq within a reasonable time frame and shifted those resources to Afghanistan (you know, the place that actually attacked us), I would have been an awfully happy camper. I'd love if anyone could find a single post I've made that was against the war in Afghanistan.

IIRC he had a 3 year pull out timetable. Same as Obamas pretty much.

You mean when he said it was okay to have 'aspirational time horizons' of three years? Sorry, but that's not even close. Obama has floated several plans, from his original 16 month version to a longer one that would be 2 years... and those are for withdrawal, not an 'aspirational time horizon' that means nothing and constrains no one. Even at Obama's worst, Bush's plan was still 50% longer and with no commitment.

Sorry if I wasn't impressed by it.