The hell? I thought foobar's shuffle was better than winamp's?

[Imported]

.. I keep hearing the same song every other song which sucks when you're playing an hour long game of Fifa and have it in the background.. blah, back to Winamp. 🙁

 

[beer]

I always wondered, how hard is it to do a shuffle function? doesnt seem very hard at all....at least not nearly as complex as other aspects of the program...

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Elemental007
I always wondered, how hard is it to do a shuffle function? doesnt seem very hard at all....at least not nearly as complex as other aspects of the program...

When your random numbers are based on the time, and you select 100 random numbers within 1/10 of a second of each other, you see how they might not be entirely random?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Imported
.. I keep hearing the same song every other song which sucks when you're playing an hour long game of Fifa and have it in the background.. blah, back to Winamp. 🙁

That does require less effort than reporting the problem to the author. Of course it means you'll never get your perfect shuffle, too bad.

 

[beer]

I'm sure you could seed it another way.
Or rewrite the algorithm such that it didnt compute the seed for every song at once

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: Imported
.. I keep hearing the same song every other song which sucks when you're playing an hour long game of Fifa and have it in the background.. blah, back to Winamp. 🙁

how many songs did you load? did you set it to repeat?

there was a minor bug in a version, where every 4 song would play the 2 song it played previously.

 

[Imported]

Originally posted by: Sid59

Originally posted by: Imported
.. I keep hearing the same song every other song which sucks when you're playing an hour long game of Fifa and have it in the background.. blah, back to Winamp. 🙁

how many songs did you load? did you set it to repeat?

there was a minor bug in a version, where every 4 song would play the 2 song it played previously.

It's not at repeat. I have about 2300 songs loaded.

 

[ElFenix]

winamp's shuffle doesn't repeat, gotta give it that.

 

[Sid59]

beta versions are being worked on right now, available through the IRC channel. Gotta be patient. I think it's a great program being at 0.43

 

[CraigRT]

why the hell does the shuffle always suck so much??

after moving to QCD player I haven't had any problems with shuffle.. seems to work pretty good. (the entire reason I switched players)

 

[nord1899]

QCD

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Foobar is great if you want a player without buttons and with a generally crappy interface....

 

[arcain]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Elemental007
I always wondered, how hard is it to do a shuffle function? doesnt seem very hard at all....at least not nearly as complex as other aspects of the program...

When your random numbers are based on the time, and you select 100 random numbers within 1/10 of a second of each other, you see how they might not be entirely random?

Only the initial seed for the random number generator should be based on time. Subsequent calls to the random number generator should not be dependent on time.

It's not as straightforward as it appears. What if the user moves some song around while the player is playing? Do you recalulate the random list? What if on the new list the next song happens to be the last song he just heard? It would make it seem like your shuffle is poorly implemented. I think at initial glance, the problem seems really easy, but I suspect that there are many subtle nuances that would affect the perception of the shuffle performance.

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Elemental007
I always wondered, how hard is it to do a shuffle function? doesnt seem very hard at all....at least not nearly as complex as other aspects of the program...

When your random numbers are based on the time, and you select 100 random numbers within 1/10 of a second of each other, you see how they might not be entirely random?

er... I thought the "time" variable was run through an algorithm so even though the "times" picked may be within milliseconds of each other the random number outputed would be totally different. Probably varies depending on the compilier used, but yeah, in essence it is random.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: nord1899
QCD

🙂
such a good player eh

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
winamp's shuffle doesn't repeat, gotta give it that.

Winamp's shuffle is simply awful.

I always keep Winamp in shuffle and I loaded a big playlist (about 23,000 songs) and the first and the third song were exactly the same (meaning location, file, song, etc)

What are the chances of that? I tried doing the calculations and I came up with the chances were basically 0. I had 4 people in my dorm when it happened, they couldnt stop laughing😱