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The Harvard take on private accounts for Social Security

WHY DEMOCRATS OPPOSE BUSH - Personal Dispute
Harvard University is, by some measures, one of the most left-wing institutions on the face of the earth. So you may be surprised to hear that it has endorsed George W. Bush's proposal for Social Security reform. Literally, of course, that is not true. But the retirement plan Harvard has set up for faculty members like me bears a striking resemblance to what the Social Security system would become under the president's proposed changes.

Harvard's retirement plan is essentially the nonprofit sector's version of a 401(k). Each year, the university puts a certain percentage of my income into my retirement account. I then invest this money in low-cost mutual funds, which hold a diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds. I can choose a safer portfolio with a lower expected return or a riskier portfolio with a higher expected return. The money is mine, even if I decide to leave the university. If I die, I can leave it to my kids. When I retire, I can use it to buy an annuity to ensure a stream of income for the rest of my life.

Under Bush's proposal, you would have the option of diverting some of your payroll taxes into a personal retirement account. You would invest this money in low-cost mutual funds, which would hold a diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds. You could choose a safer portfolio with a lower expected return or a riskier portfolio with a higher expected return. The money would be yours, no matter how many times you changed jobs. If you died before collecting any money, you could leave your account to your kids. When you retired, you could use it to buy an annuity to ensure a stream of income for the rest of your life.

Historically, Social Security has been a defined-benefit system. You put money in when you are working, the government promises you an income when you retire, and, in the meantime, the feds take care of everything. Bush is proposing that Social Security gradually evolve into a defined-contribution system, where money is put in your account and then you watch over your own retirement assets.

I am perfectly happy with Harvard's retirement plan. I have the sense that my colleagues at Harvard are happy with it as well, as are millions of other workers who have similar arrangements. This raises the question: If the liberal Harvard faculty is content with the defined-contribution structure for their private retirement income, why are liberals in Congress (and the liberal New Republic, for that matter) so appalled that Bush would propose moving the public retirement system in the same direction?

As far as I can tell, there are three reasons. The first is that the president proposed it, and some Democrats will oppose anything he advances. Many hope that Social Security reform will do to Republicans what Hillarycare did to Democrats: hand the president a defeat so humiliating that it would undercut his ability to set the domestic policy agenda. It is not hard to imagine that this outcome would affect midterm elections and perhaps even alter the balance of power in Congress.

The second reason the left hates personal accounts is that, over the long term, they could destroy one of its favorite battle cries: the alleged conflict between evil capitalists and oppressed workers. ("Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.") No ambitious political figure today would be stupid enough to quote Marx, but let's face it, much of the left's rhetoric is a less elegant paraphrase of his worldview.

Social Security reform could put a stake through the heart of this populism once and for all. After workers develop an equity stake in corporate America, they will start watching cnbc and the "Nightly Business Report." Their view of how they relate to the economy will fundamentally change. Bush understands this, and it is one reason he talks about an "ownership society." Democratic leaders understand it as well. Their biggest fear is that a nation of stockholders could easily morph into a nation of Republicans.

The third reason for the left's opposition to personal accounts is simple paternalism. Liberal critics of the Bush plan may be willing to accept that Harvard professors are capable of investing sensibly for their own retirement, but they are not ready to trust the general public to do the same. Compared with Republicans, Democrats are more averse to an economic system in which people play a larger role in taking care of themselves. To be sure, the paternalists raise a valid concern--some segments of the population are not economically sophisticated--but this is not so much an argument against personal accounts as a reason why we need to get the details right. Any reform should include some restrictions to protect people from themselves. There should be limits on how much risk people can take in their portfolios, especially as they approach retirement. There should be requirements that people annuitize enough of their accumulation upon retirement to ensure they are kept out of poverty for the rest of their lives.

Of course, when Democrats speak publicly, they are rarely this frank. They will not readily admit to political opportunism, to opposing the spread of stock ownership, or to distrusting the public with its own money. So, instead, they raise two canards--one involving the deficit, the other involving risk.

Opponents of Bush's proposal say that funding personal accounts will require irresponsibly large increases in the budget deficit. This argument, however, is mostly fatuous. For one thing, the president is proposing to phase in the new system gradually. Eventually, everyone would be able to place 4 percent of their wages (up to the maximum of taxable earnings, which today is about $90,000) into a personal account. But, initially, the contribution would be capped at $1,000 per year, precisely to calm fears about the short-run budget impact.

More important, under the president's proposed policy, the long-run impact of personal accounts on the government's finances is approximately zero. When a person signs up for a voluntary personal account, the government puts, say, $1,000 in his or her account. In exchange, that person agrees to receive lower benefits from the traditional defined-benefit system, by an amount equal to $1,000 in present value. The initial payment into the account requires $1,000 in extra government borrowing, but that debt is offset by a reduction in the government's liability to pay future Social Security benefits.

All economists will tell you that the government faces a budget constraint that is expressed in terms of the present value of current and future cash flows. If a worker takes more out of the system today and agrees to take less out in the future--and those two changes balance in present value--then the government's finances are neither better nor worse than they were before. Higher budget deficits in the near term are balanced by smaller deficits or larger surpluses further out. In essence, the establishment of personal accounts recognizes an existing liability rather than creating a new one.

Some economists go so far as to suggest that the borrowing to finance personal accounts is an advantage of the proposed reform. One problem with traditional Social Security is that liabilities are implicit and, therefore, easy to ignore. Politicians have found promising higher benefits too attractive, because the cost of those benefits has been too well-hidden. Indeed, the funding shortfalls now facing Social Security are like those many companies face with defined-benefit pension plans. Recognizing these problems, younger businesses are more likely to set up defined-contribution plans like Harvard's. A defined-contribution system is more transparent--the worker knows what he is getting, and the employer knows what he is paying. Greater transparency should also be a goal for the federal government's finances.

The second canard raised by critics of the president's proposal is the claim that it would leave retirees of the future facing too much risk. They argue that personal accounts would leave the safety net for the elderly with too many holes. The most obvious response is that the proposed personal accounts are voluntary. If you want to stay in a traditional defined-benefit plan, just don't opt in. And, even if you opt in but then want a low-risk retirement income, you can invest in inflation-indexed Treasury bonds.

Most financial planners, however, recommend that everyone invest at least a portion of their retirement resources in equities. Sure, this means higher risk, but the risk is compensated for by a higher possible return. Harvard faculty can decide for themselves how much risk they are willing to bear. Personal accounts in Social Security would expand the number of Americans given this choice.

One important risk that reform could reduce is the uncertainty about future benefits that arises from the vagaries of the political process--a type of risk that does not yield a higher return. Proponents of the current system like to say that it offers a guaranteed retirement benefit. But how guaranteed is that benefit when the system is so vastly underfunded? President Clinton talked about the "fiscal crisis in Social Security" in 1998, but no changes in the system were enacted. (Reliable sources tell me that Clinton's inaction on Social Security was in part a payoff to the left wing of his party for its support during impeachment.) Now, seven years later, Bush is trying to address the problem, but many in Congress want to kick the problem down the road yet again. In light of the political uncertainty, it is preposterous to view the current system as low-risk.

But, if personal accounts are not the irresponsible budget-busters that the left claims, nor are they the free lunch that some on the right seem to believe. The simple demographic facts are that Americans are having fewer children and living longer. As a result, the ratio of workers to retirees has fallen from 16 to one in 1950 to 3.3 to one today, and it is expected to continue to fall. Clearly, in retrospect, it was insane to set up a retirement system with a fixed retirement age (which now is slated to rise very slowly). Imagine if, instead, Franklin Roosevelt had set up a Social Security system in which the youngest 90 percent of the population agreed to support the oldest 10 percent--and those percentages were fixed over time. Such a system would have been better able to withstand changes in demography.

Unfortunately, that is not the system we inherited. The current system has a path of projected revenue and a path of promised benefits that do not line up. It will start running deficits around 2018, and those deficits will grow larger indefinitely. Under current law, when the trust fund runs out around 2042, benefits will be cut automatically by about 25 percent for everyone, including those already retired. At that point, there will be a battle among the generations--the outcome of which is anyone's guess. Those interested in semantic games can argue about whether this situation is really a crisis, as Clinton and Bush have called it, or simply a problem. But there is little doubt that the aging of the population has put the federal budget on an unsustainable path, and the sooner we act, the better.

Bush made clear in this year's State of the Union speech that personal accounts by themselves will not solve the funding problem. The solution will have to include some combination of slowing the growth of benefits, increasing the age of eligibility for benefits, or raising taxes. The president has rejected increasing the payroll tax rate, but he has left on the table raising the cap on taxable payroll. I have met no Republicans who like this idea, but it may be the price of convincing a few moderate Senate Democrats to support change.

Some have asked, if personal accounts will not fill the shortfall in Social Security's finances, why talk about them? The answer is that, once major Social Security reform is on the table, we should take the opportunity to improve the system in any way we consider prudent. When you bring your car into the shop for a new muffler, you shouldn't complain if your mechanic points out that your brakes are shot. Once you have brought the car in, you should want to fix all the problems that need fixing.

The same principle holds for public policy. We need to fix Social Security's funding problem, and that will require hard choices. But we should also make it a better system for future generations. Moving the system gradually from defined-benefit to defined-contribution would be a good step, giving people more choices and the government greater transparency. The funding problem is the catalyst for reform, but the nation should take this opportunity to give all Americans a retirement system as reliable as the one Harvard gives its faculty.

If it's good enough for Harvard - why not the rest of us?
I think people need to take a step back from the "politics" of SS and realize that we need to make the decision on whether SS is going to be a welfare program or a retirement program - it being both doesn't work(especially with the other things thrown into the SS mix).
Either way is fine with me but it needs to be decided so we can make it an effective program instead of the current mess.

CsG
 
I would agree that personal accounts are a good idea. I believe that in 30-40 years we will see benefits from them. Unfortunately, before that, they will do nothing to maintain the solvency of SS. Both issues need to be addressed.
 
Originally posted by: tss4
I would agree that personal accounts are a good idea. I believe that in 30-40 years we will see benefits from them. Unfortunately, before that, they will do nothing to maintain the solvency of SS. Both issues need to be addressed.



private accounts are the long term fix, tweaking the system is the current fix.
 
So by this logic, anyone who has a 401k (or similar -- I have a SEP IRA for instance) is automatically "endorsing" Bush's SS plan?
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So by this logic, anyone who has a 401k (or similar -- I have a SEP IRA for instance) is automatically "endorsing" Bush's SS plan?

If you view SS as a retirement plan you could say they would be quite similar. However as I put forth - there seems to be two(or more) views on what SS really is. It needs to be defined because right now people seem to claim whichever suits their agenda of the minute.

CsG
 
Personally I'd hope anyone smart enough has a seperate account with money they have been putting for retirement.Social security checks aren't too much and living in Miami is real expensive.A friend of mine's his father gets about sixteen thousand a year and that's too little if you ask me.
 
Las time I checked Harvard profs were also part of the SS system, so Harvard retirement plan is a supplement to SS. I agree with Cad in that what is good for Harvard (401k style plan In Addition To SS) is good for the rest of us 😀
 
Alan Greenspan endorsed transitioning to private accounts when there was a budget surplus that could fund it. (Yes I realize the surplus was really just part of the current SS surplus.)

We spent that surplus on tax cuts instead. I'm not personally against tax cuts as long as they don't cause massive deficits, i.e. they're balanced with spendng cuts.

Now that the surplus is gone and not likely to return, switching to even partial privatization will require, in the short term, trillions more in deficits. The current administration price tag is $2 trillion over the next decade if I recall correctly.

More important, under the president's proposed policy, the long-run impact of personal accounts on the government's finances is approximately zero. When a person signs up for a voluntary personal account, the government puts, say, $1,000 in his or her account. In exchange, that person agrees to receive lower benefits from the traditional defined-benefit system, by an amount equal to $1,000 in present value. The initial payment into the account requires $1,000 in extra government borrowing, but that debt is offset by a reduction in the government's liability to pay future Social Security benefits.
This is downplaying the immediate hundreds of billions in deficit spending each year, and ignoring the billions needed to set up the bureaucracy to manage these accounts. Yes it evens out over 50 years, but we're already running half-trillion deficits without adding this on. Greenspan has warned us (and common sense tells us) that we can't sustain such massive deficits indefinitely.

Before I'm willing to endorse private accounts, show me a way to pay for them. Offer up a complete plan that lists non-deficit funding, and shows the benefit cuts and tax increases (probably removing the cap on contributions) that will pay for both the transition and fixing SS.

It would show better leadership from Bush if he could offer a complete plan as a starting point instead of leaving so much "to be settled later," but I don't care whether the plan comes from Bush, Republicans in congress, or even Democrats.

Right now Bush is not impressing me by offering rehearsed theater in rooms of party loyalists, saying only "private accounts will save the day" and asking us to trust him that the rest of a complete plan for SS can be settled later. He should earn the right to use his office to promote private accounts by laying out a plan for how they can be implemented responsibly.

It doesn't matter that Democrats have no plan of their own. They aren't the ones trying to convince me to make the change.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Alan Greenspan endorsed transitioning to private accounts when there was a budget surplus that could fund it. (Yes I realize the surplus was really just part of the current SS surplus.)

We spent that surplus on tax cuts instead. I'm not personally against tax cuts as long as they don't cause massive deficits, i.e. they're balanced with spendng cuts.

Now that the surplus is gone and not likely to return, switching to even partial privatization will require, in the short term, trillions more in deficits. The current administration price tag is $2 trillion over the next decade if I recall correctly.

More important, under the president's proposed policy, the long-run impact of personal accounts on the government's finances is approximately zero. When a person signs up for a voluntary personal account, the government puts, say, $1,000 in his or her account. In exchange, that person agrees to receive lower benefits from the traditional defined-benefit system, by an amount equal to $1,000 in present value. The initial payment into the account requires $1,000 in extra government borrowing, but that debt is offset by a reduction in the government's liability to pay future Social Security benefits.
This is downplaying the immediate hundreds of billions in deficit spending each year, and ignoring the billions needed to set up the bureaucracy to manage these accounts. Yes it evens out over 50 years, but we're already running half-trillion deficits without adding this on. Greenspan has warned us (and common sense tells us) that we can't sustain such massive deficits indefinitely.

Before I'm willing to endorse private accounts, show me a way to pay for them. Offer up a complete plan that lists non-deficit funding, and shows the benefit cuts and tax increases (probably removing the cap on contributions) that will pay for both the transition and fixing SS.

It would show better leadership from Bush if he could offer a complete plan as a starting point instead of leaving so much "to be settled later," but I don't care whether the plan comes from Bush, Republicans in congress, or even Democrats.

Right now Bush is not impressing me by offering rehearsed theater in rooms of party loyalists, saying only "private accounts will save the day" and asking us to trust him that the rest of a complete plan for SS can be settled later. He should earn the right to use his office to promote private accounts by laying out a plan for how they can be implemented responsibly.

It doesn't matter that Democrats have no plan of their own. They aren't the ones trying to convince me to make the change.

:beer: Bush has done a poor job at selling this and there are good reasons it does not have the full support of the republicans.
 
HHhmmm....

I have a defined contribution pension plan thru the auspices of my employer and union... does that mean my union endorses Bush's non-plan?

I also have 457 accounts, deferred compensation/ investment accounts that I contribute towards every payday.... does that mean I endorse Bush's proposals to gut SS?

The answer to both questions is obviously no...

And no, SS isn't intended to be a stand alone retirement plan, at all, but part of the traditional three legged stool- Savings, investments, and SS...

And of course Mankiw would say that Harvard is "Liberal", he's one of Bush's chief architects in the plan to bankrupt the govt...
 
I would like to apologize ahead of time for any spelling mistakes or grammatical errors due to my rambling nature.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
WHY DEMOCRATS OPPOSE BUSH - Personal Dispute
Harvard University is, by some measures, one of the most left-wing institutions on the face of the earth. So you may be surprised to hear that it has endorsed George W. Bush's proposal for Social Security reform. Literally, of course, that is not true. But the retirement plan Harvard has set up for faculty members like me bears a striking resemblance to what the Social Security system would become under the president's proposed changes.

Personally I would like to see a more specific citation. To state that the entirety of the Harvard University faculty has endorsed the Bush Administration plan is misleading at best, which ultimately seems to be the purpose of this article: to attach "intellectual capital" to the plan.

Harvard's retirement plan is essentially the nonprofit sector's version of a 401(k). Each year, the university puts a certain percentage of my income into my retirement account. I then invest this money in low-cost mutual funds, which hold a diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds. I can choose a safer portfolio with a lower expected return or a riskier portfolio with a higher expected return. The money is mine, even if I decide to leave the university. If I die, I can leave it to my kids. When I retire, I can use it to buy an annuity to ensure a stream of income for the rest of my life.

So essentially, this author describes the Harvard University retirement plan as an implicit agreement by the "Harvard body" to a similar plan described by the Bush Administration. This alone has too many assumptions to name, but one of the most alarming would be the illusion the author creates about the inequities of the current system: the first is his use of "low cost", his second is "diversified", his third is "expected higher return", his forth refers to his ownership of the money invested and the expectation that his heirs will recieve whatever benefits he wishes them to recieve. I will address these points in conjunction with the rest of the article.

Under Bush's proposal, you would have the option of diverting some of your payroll taxes into a personal retirement account. You would invest this money in low-cost mutual funds, which would hold a diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds. You could choose a safer portfolio with a lower expected return or a riskier portfolio with a higher expected return. The money would be yours, no matter how many times you changed jobs. If you died before collecting any money, you could leave your account to your kids. When you retired, you could use it to buy an annuity to ensure a stream of income for the rest of your life.

Ownership is an appealing concept, because it fufills the "American" notion of having a piece of whatever that you can call your own. Ideally, you could invest your ownership and perhaps make a net gain in the process. That is the intrinsic problem that has occured in the mindset of the Bush Administration when they attempt to explain the "crisis" of the Social Security Program. What I wish the author had done was explain what the crisis was from the beginning of the article. Instead, he jumps right into the supposed "benefits" of privitization, namely self-ownership without explaining why they should be implemented in relation to the "crisis" of Social Security.

Historically, Social Security has been a defined-benefit system. You put money in when you are working, the government promises you an income when you retire, and, in the meantime, the feds take care of everything. Bush is proposing that Social Security gradually evolve into a defined-contribution system, where money is put in your account and then you watch over your own retirement assets.

I don't agree with the author's terminology. Social Security is not a defined-benefit system because you are not GUARANTEED benefits. If you die before you turn 65, tough luck, but the money you "invested" for your retirement isn't going to be there for you if you're dead. Some see this as the problem. It is NOT. The picture the current administration is attempting to draw is that the system should be shifted such that you can watch your nest egg grow instead of stagnate at a lower rate of return because its stuck in a trust fund that nobody can touch (except for Congress of course). This is the WRONG picture.

The framework of Social Security is more akin to an insurance policy. Say you buy a house and you purchase insurance. Just because after 30 years your house does not burn down, doesn't mean you are entitled to all the payments that you put into the policy. Likewise, Social Security is the insurance policy that should your OTHER investments fail (if you have them) then there will be a leg for you to stand on, provided by the government.


I am perfectly happy with Harvard's retirement plan. I have the sense that my colleagues at Harvard are happy with it as well, as are millions of other workers who have similar arrangements. This raises the question: If the liberal Harvard faculty is content with the defined-contribution structure for their private retirement income, why are liberals in Congress (and the liberal New Republic, for that matter) so appalled that Bush would propose moving the public retirement system in the same direction?

Liberal, liberal, liberal. I really don't see the logic of that categorization, but regardless, I agree that they are appaled moreso due to the fact that Bush is in power than the actual "crisis". This is what happens when politicians are more worried about their own hide then the welfare of America.

As far as I can tell, there are three reasons. The first is that the president proposed it, and some Democrats will oppose anything he advances. Many hope that Social Security reform will do to Republicans what Hillarycare did to Democrats: hand the president a defeat so humiliating that it would undercut his ability to set the domestic policy agenda. It is not hard to imagine that this outcome would affect midterm elections and perhaps even alter the balance of power in Congress.

Mayhaps, and I won't debate this point because it isn't relevant to the "crisis" of Social Security as far as I am concerned.

The second reason the left hates personal accounts is that, over the long term, they could destroy one of its favorite battle cries: the alleged conflict between evil capitalists and oppressed workers. ("Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.") No ambitious political figure today would be stupid enough to quote Marx, but let's face it, much of the left's rhetoric is a less elegant paraphrase of his worldview.

A simplified personification of the "left" for the lay "right" audience. I've read Marx, and sure he can be kooky sometimes, but there is a reason why he has been so influential in the 20th century. His life philosophy appeals to a sense of communal welfare that many see as the best way to live. As far as the actual implementation...apparently that is what the author is referring to when he points out the battle cry of the "left". I don't find this point to be very relevant to the debate either, and I could delve into it more but that would be for a whole 'nother thread.

Social Security reform could put a stake through the heart of this populism once and for all. After workers develop an equity stake in corporate America, they will start watching cnbc and the "Nightly Business Report." Their view of how they relate to the economy will fundamentally change. Bush understands this, and it is one reason he talks about an "ownership society." Democratic leaders understand it as well. Their biggest fear is that a nation of stockholders could easily morph into a nation of Republicans.


CNBC, and the Nightly Buisness Report...you need cable for that. Cable costs money. So does the bus money to go to work. Bus money, or cable?

I simplify the argument and assume a few things, but the point I am trying to make here is that not everyone has the leisure time, nor the access, nor the WILL to follow the market everyday. That's what thinktanks are for. If someone wants to watch CNBC, FOXNEWS, CSPAN, whatever, that is their perogative, and if they have the time to do so, then most likely they also have the opportunity to invest in 401k's which should suit their need to follow the market and watch their nest egg grow. I am completely fine with that.

I honestly find his pithy point that the democrats are afraid the working class will turn into republicans quite amusing.


The third reason for the left's opposition to personal accounts is simple paternalism. Liberal critics of the Bush plan may be willing to accept that Harvard professors are capable of investing sensibly for their own retirement, but they are not ready to trust the general public to do the same. Compared with Republicans, Democrats are more averse to an economic system in which people play a larger role in taking care of themselves. To be sure, the paternalists raise a valid concern--some segments of the population are not economically sophisticated--but this is not so much an argument against personal accounts as a reason why we need to get the details right. Any reform should include some restrictions to protect people from themselves. There should be limits on how much risk people can take in their portfolios, especially as they approach retirement. There should be requirements that people annuitize enough of their accumulation upon retirement to ensure they are kept out of poverty for the rest of their lives.

This is a foolish notion. I can't speak for all democrats, but the idea that somehow the left doesn't think that the public is capable of investing is a ridiculous argument that relies more on idealogy than on the critical problem at hand: the inherent problem the Bush Administration has in addressing how Social Security functions.

The American Political Left is not averse to people taking care of themselves. In fact, I am sure there are very few democrats who are averse to 401k programs, IRA programs, and pension plans. These are all well and good because they entail the responsibility of the citizen and generally this is a good thing for society. The problem is that many of these programs require an investment by the citizen and generally only those that have the assets have the capability to take the fall if one does occur (Those invested in Enron certainly ended up in a shithole, but at the least they have social security. Imagine if they had invested social security as well. Lots of trouble there.)

He mentions the contention that restrictions should be made to protect people from themselves. This is all good and well, but what I can guarantee is that, if privitization does occur, there will be many who will clamor that people should have the "choice to invest in whatever they wish".


Of course, when Democrats speak publicly, they are rarely this frank. They will not readily admit to political opportunism, to opposing the spread of stock ownership, or to distrusting the public with its own money. So, instead, they raise two canards--one involving the deficit, the other involving risk.

I must roll my eyes here.

Opponents of Bush's proposal say that funding personal accounts will require irresponsibly large increases in the budget deficit. This argument, however, is mostly fatuous. For one thing, the president is proposing to phase in the new system gradually. Eventually, everyone would be able to place 4 percent of their wages (up to the maximum of taxable earnings, which today is about $90,000) into a personal account. But, initially, the contribution would be capped at $1,000 per year, precisely to calm fears about the short-run budget impact.

The funny thing here is this. There really is no SET Bush plan. What occured was that a few years ago, a commission was created by Bush to develop ways to fix the "Social Security Crisis". A number of plans were developed, and obsensibly Bush has chosen the one described by the author. The contention that the cap limit is set to $1000 does not calm my fears. What this introduces to the Social Security program is another variable of uneccesary risk due to market forces. The amount that the investment is capped to doesn't concern me. What concerns me more is that the government will most certainly need to borrow money to fund the program and more importantly that this funding will increase our already large deficit, which should be the more immediate focus of the Administration.

More important, under the president's proposed policy, the long-run impact of personal accounts on the government's finances is approximately zero. When a person signs up for a voluntary personal account, the government puts, say, $1,000 in his or her account. In exchange, that person agrees to receive lower benefits from the traditional defined-benefit system, by an amount equal to $1,000 in present value. The initial payment into the account requires $1,000 in extra government borrowing, but that debt is offset by a reduction in the government's liability to pay future Social Security benefits.

What the author fails to mention is that this loan is given at a 3% interest rate. In order for the citizen to have a net benfit from this program, he would have to make good on that 3% and have a little for himself. Furthermore, the author himself points out that the government would be borrowing money. This in itself is a problem in this day and age where (I think) we MUST address the deficit.

All economists will tell you that the government faces a budget constraint that is expressed in terms of the present value of current and future cash flows. If a worker takes more out of the system today and agrees to take less out in the future--and those two changes balance in present value--then the government's finances are neither better nor worse than they were before. Higher budget deficits in the near term are balanced by smaller deficits or larger surpluses further out. In essence, the establishment of personal accounts recognizes an existing liability rather than creating a new one.

I do not agree with this. First off, the exchange that he mentions is not a GUARANTEED exchange. Because the program will then have to rely on the market to grow, there is no guarantee that there will be a future cash flow that will offset the present deficit.

Some economists go so far as to suggest that the borrowing to finance personal accounts is an advantage of the proposed reform. One problem with traditional Social Security is that liabilities are implicit and, therefore, easy to ignore. Politicians have found promising higher benefits too attractive, because the cost of those benefits has been too well-hidden. Indeed, the funding shortfalls now facing Social Security are like those many companies face with defined-benefit pension plans. Recognizing these problems, younger businesses are more likely to set up defined-contribution plans like Harvard's. A defined-contribution system is more transparent--the worker knows what he is getting, and the employer knows what he is paying. Greater transparency should also be a goal for the federal government's finances.

There is a reason why Social Security is so popular. It is simple and it works...kinda like the wheel. Current workers pay for current retirees with the notion in mind that should something disastrous occur (like Enron), there will be a safety net to catch future retirees through the obligations of future workers.

So what exactly is the crisis? Simply this: That in the future, there will be fewer workers paying for more retirees. No matter what privitization scheme occurs, there will be a shortfall in the 2040's where in 2004 dollars there will be a substantial drop, around 20-25% in benefits. HOWEVER, in 2004 dollars the benefits still dished out to the old folks will be more than what they currently receive now. From that point on, as the baby boomer population begins to cease collecting benefits, the trend will reverse. This will occur if we do nothing. Just wanted to point that out.


The second canard raised by critics of the president's proposal is the claim that it would leave retirees of the future facing too much risk. They argue that personal accounts would leave the safety net for the elderly with too many holes. The most obvious response is that the proposed personal accounts are voluntary. If you want to stay in a traditional defined-benefit plan, just don't opt in. And, even if you opt in but then want a low-risk retirement income, you can invest in inflation-indexed Treasury bonds.

There are a couple problems with this. The first has to do with inheritance. If we enact privitization, money WILL leave the system. Why? Lets put it this way. Say you're 62 and you know you will die in the next few years before you are able to collect benefits. Through privitization, just take the money out, and give it to your heirs. Sounds good right?

It isn't, because its money that will leave the system. This in itself will put a drain on Social Security because people that stay opted in will be forced to take reduced benefits or future workers will have to pay higher taxes (which I feel will occur, and should occur regardless) because of lost monies that shouldn't be gone from the system in the first place. Like I stated before, Social Security is an insurance policy, not a 401k.



Most financial planners, however, recommend that everyone invest at least a portion of their retirement resources in equities. Sure, this means higher risk, but the risk is compensated for by a higher possible return. Harvard faculty can decide for themselves how much risk they are willing to bear. Personal accounts in Social Security would expand the number of Americans given this choice.

Harvard faculty invest in riskier opportunities because they can afford to do so. Not the shmoe who takes the bus to work everyday.

One important risk that reform could reduce is the uncertainty about future benefits that arises from the vagaries of the political process--a type of risk that does not yield a higher return. Proponents of the current system like to say that it offers a guaranteed retirement benefit. But how guaranteed is that benefit when the system is so vastly underfunded? President Clinton talked about the "fiscal crisis in Social Security" in 1998, but no changes in the system were enacted. (Reliable sources tell me that Clinton's inaction on Social Security was in part a payoff to the left wing of his party for its support during impeachment.) Now, seven years later, Bush is trying to address the problem, but many in Congress want to kick the problem down the road yet again. In light of the political uncertainty, it is preposterous to view the current system as low-risk.

Social Security IS low risk in terms of government expenditure. The cost/benefit ratio of the Social Security program is one of the lowest of all government programs. I believe the figure is a half of one percent of US GDP goes to the adminstrative costs of social security (I cant find the figure, you'll just have to take my word on this one). If you look at similar privitized programs in other countries such as the UK, France, various South American Countries like Bolivia, the cost of a privitized program can cost upwards of 5-15% of GDP. Take into consideration commision costs and no doubt all the money that Wall Street would take away from the accounts through fees and such and you're left with considerably less to invest.

But, if personal accounts are not the irresponsible budget-busters that the left claims, nor are they the free lunch that some on the right seem to believe. The simple demographic facts are that Americans are having fewer children and living longer. As a result, the ratio of workers to retirees has fallen from 16 to one in 1950 to 3.3 to one today, and it is expected to continue to fall. Clearly, in retrospect, it was insane to set up a retirement system with a fixed retirement age (which now is slated to rise very slowly). Imagine if, instead, Franklin Roosevelt had set up a Social Security system in which the youngest 90 percent of the population agreed to support the oldest 10 percent--and those percentages were fixed over time. Such a system would have been better able to withstand changes in demography.

Unfortunately, that is not the system we inherited. The current system has a path of projected revenue and a path of promised benefits that do not line up. It will start running deficits around 2018, and those deficits will grow larger indefinitely. Under current law, when the trust fund runs out around 2042, benefits will be cut automatically by about 25 percent for everyone, including those already retired. At that point, there will be a battle among the generations--the outcome of which is anyone's guess. Those interested in semantic games can argue about whether this situation is really a crisis, as Clinton and Bush have called it, or simply a problem. But there is little doubt that the aging of the population has put the federal budget on an unsustainable path, and the sooner we act, the better.

The one point I would like to address here is his mention of the 25% cut that retirees would recieve. This would occur if we did nothing, however what I would like to point out is that in 2004 dollars the benefit cut would still give a monthly check larger than what the average retiree receives today. The crisis is not as large as the author makes it out to be.

Bush made clear in this year's State of the Union speech that personal accounts by themselves will not solve the funding problem. The solution will have to include some combination of slowing the growth of benefits, increasing the age of eligibility for benefits, or raising taxes. The president has rejected increasing the payroll tax rate, but he has left on the table raising the cap on taxable payroll. I have met no Republicans who like this idea, but it may be the price of convincing a few moderate Senate Democrats to support change.

I say, increase taxes. We did it in the 80's when this sort of problem popped up and Social Security DID run out of money, and we can do it again.

Some have asked, if personal accounts will not fill the shortfall in Social Security's finances, why talk about them? The answer is that, once major Social Security reform is on the table, we should take the opportunity to improve the system in any way we consider prudent. When you bring your car into the shop for a new muffler, you shouldn't complain if your mechanic points out that your brakes are shot. Once you have brought the car in, you should want to fix all the problems that need fixing.

The same principle holds for public policy. We need to fix Social Security's funding problem, and that will require hard choices. But we should also make it a better system for future generations. Moving the system gradually from defined-benefit to defined-contribution would be a good step, giving people more choices and the government greater transparency. The funding problem is the catalyst for reform, but the nation should take this opportunity to give all Americans a retirement system as reliable as the one Harvard gives its faculty.

If it's good enough for Harvard - why not the rest of us?
I think people need to take a step back from the "politics" of SS and realize that we need to make the decision on whether SS is going to be a welfare program or a retirement program - it being both doesn't work(especially with the other things thrown into the SS mix).
Either way is fine with me but it needs to be decided so we can make it an effective program instead of the current mess.

CsG

My conclusion: Benefits will be cut no matter if we privitize or not. However, that does not mean we are in a crisis. What this means is that we should up taxes to make up for some of the lost benefits and similarly adjust our own perceptions on the role of Social Security. It doesn't exist to make money, it exists so that those who don't have any money can eat.

 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Las time I checked Harvard profs were also part of the SS system, so Harvard retirement plan is a supplement to SS. I agree with Cad in that what is good for Harvard (401k style plan In Addition To SS) is good for the rest of us 😀

Me too. Finally the left and right can agree ..... keep Social Security intact and continue to offer individual investment progams to supplement it.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So by this logic, anyone who has a 401k (or similar -- I have a SEP IRA for instance) is automatically "endorsing" Bush's SS plan?

If you view SS as a retirement plan you could say they would be quite similar. However as I put forth - there seems to be two(or more) views on what SS really is. It needs to be defined because right now people seem to claim whichever suits their agenda of the minute.

CsG

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