Do you have a point, other than spouting aimless drivel?
These people went on a rampage, causing havoc and death, aiming to overthrow an election.
You seem to keep missing the point accounting for why, in my opinion, you think you’re hearing drivel.
g: They deserve prison,
at the very least.
M: They deserve pity. But also, having acted out in ways that are a danger to others, they must be prevented from doing so again. Because we have the good fortune to live in a society with the capacity to in prison them, a system that is actually terribly run, that is at present the likely best option. Had this happened in the past where such facilities did not exit the death penalty would perhaps be best. Try to understand then, that I am perhaps a lot more hard line than you are.
But for me it has nothing to do with anger or contempt for these sad brainwashed beings. It is purely functional. We have all been fucked over as children but all should be stopped and prevented from doing further harm by whatever is the least harsh way if we harm other innocent people. You seem to think some form of contempt and rage is required to do that. But that just makes you like them, justifying getting even for your pain. No, you just act with the least force possible to prevent a repeat. That is why preventative measures cease on evidence of true repentance. That applies, of course, in the present case to all except the woman who was killed.
g: We could write textbooks on how Trump manipulates his followers, but that doesn't absolve them.
M: Once again you confuse absolution with repentance. I would absolve none who do not come to real regret and change inwardly. Let them pay their debt. Let me not take delight in their misery. You do what you want but I will argue against what you express here forceably.
g: Just like Nazis burning Jews in gas ovens, we don't really have to sympathize and make excuses for followers doing heinous acts, and them being pressured or manipulated doesn't absolve them.
At the end of the day, they are responsible for their terrible decisions.
M: More misunderstanding of my position. Programmed machines are not responsible for anything. To act out a program is not making decisions. You don’t blame a car that starts rolling down a hill with children playing on the street.
You try to stop it and walk away when you do. You want to blame the laws of gravity or go after the person who parked the car. Then go after the persons who raised the rioters, but do so when you have eliminated your own programming, because it is just programming I hear from you, in my opinion.
you and the rioters have something in common, rage at the commission of crimes. You just have differing notions as to what the crime is and who should pay.
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