The guy whose CNBC rant help start the Tea Party goes unhinged and gets put in his ..

theeedude

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I used to watch CNBC, now just Bloomberg. Bloomberg got Charlie Rose. CNBC has this crazy sh!t.
 

fskimospy

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What's funny is that what was said to him is undeniably true. Had people acted on his predictions they would have lost their shirt, yet Santelli keeps trying to act like he got everything right.

The inability to admit fault and learn from it is simply baffling.
 

Oldgamer

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What's funny is that what was said to him is undeniably true. Had people acted on his predictions they would have lost their shirt, yet Santelli keeps trying to act like he got everything right.

The inability to admit fault and learn from it is simply baffling.

Just like a lot of Conservatives....lol
 

realibrad

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What's funny is that what was said to him is undeniably true. Had people acted on his predictions they would have lost their shirt, yet Santelli keeps trying to act like he got everything right.

The inability to admit fault and learn from it is simply baffling.

The only reason the guy has a job, is because people like watching a crazy person.
 

Phokus

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The only reason the guy has a job, is because people like watching a crazy person.

Santelli should consider going to Fox News, i think he'd be a superstar there: a stupid as fuck conservative with bathshit crazy rants that never turn true is gold over there.
 

UberNeuman

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Santelli should consider going to Fox News, i think he'd be a superstar there: a stupid as fuck conservative with bathshit crazy rants that never turn true is gold over there.

He can take over the throne of crazy left void by Glenn Beck and his all-man Buy Gold band.

\Seriously, what's the fucking deal with that dude's teeth?
 

Kwatt

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...Same with 2% auto loans as way more than 2% of auto loans will fail. Just as inflated tuition costs is a direct result of federal loans but considering there is no way to default there is no way for feedback into the student loan system. Its going to go into a positive feedback loop like all the bubbles in the past....

This is something I find fascinating. A person can get a "no money down" auto loan at ~2%. Drive it off the lot and the value drops ~20% or more.
If people were walking away from underwater houses what will they do with underwater cars if they have a financial hiccup?

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LegendKiller

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Welllllll there is the market fundamentals and then there are things that manipulate/change the market from its baseline. Like trying to suppress the business cycle in 2008 just means it'll come back worse, its just a fact of life.

Its not really manipulation in the sense that some guy is pulling all the strings so much that the rules of the game are changing as the game is concurrently being played and it takes awhile for the market to reach equilibrium.

Housing is still being propped up by lower mortgage rates via QE and operation twist especially. It has the side effect of pushing out the younger generations (pricing them out) of the housing market which is going to be the reckoning felt later. Lots of stuff like that.

Same with 2% auto loans as way more than 2% of auto loans will fail. Just as inflated tuition costs is a direct result of federal loans but considering there is no way to default there is no way for feedback into the student loan system. Its going to go into a positive feedback loop like all the bubbles in the past.

So if we just print the money and monetize our own bonds the predictable result is less trust and respect for the USD which I personally think I observe happening but whatever. The worlds economic center is always its creative and cultural center as well, so all you gotta do is take a peek at how hollywood is doing overseas (generally terrible, movies in general are pretty bad).

All rather inevitable just as inevitable as the baby boomers buying lots of potato chips at age 33.2 as the demographics always say happens. Thats the interesting part is all the boomers who have PAPER gains on the stock market for their retirement, its going to be a rush for the exit once they start to pull that money. Its all really quite inevitable. Derp derp. Better have a plan.

Santelli is a "useful idiot" in that fundamentally nothing he says is really wrong per se, its just the timing is completely wrong and he is overhyping. So do you want to make money or do you want to plan for the future? Two different things. Two different sources for advice. Lots of money is to be made in even late stage bullmarkets. I don't see how what he says is any worse than all these people saying buy Facebook or whatever when the company barely makes any cash. They'll tell you when to buy of course but will neglect to tell you when to sell :awe:

Why do you think "way more" auto loans will fail?

Do you even know what Ford's static pool loss curve is?

What about Ally's? Do you know what they lose over the entire life of a prime auto loan?

Do you know what subvention is?

Me thinks you really have no idea what you're talking about.
 

LegendKiller

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This is something I find fascinating. A person can get a "no money down" auto loan at ~2%. Drive it off the lot and the value drops ~20% or more.
If people were walking away from underwater houses what will they do with underwater cars if they have a financial hiccup?

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It doesn't happen. People need their cars to go to work and a derog on their credit will result in a far greater loss.

Even through the crisis they performed amazingly.

For example Ford Credit Auto Owner Trust 2009-E had a cumulative default of $15mm as of January 2014. That's on $1.8 *billion* dollars of loans. .8% of cumulative losses on a post-crisis vintage but definitely one that still felt the crisis a little.

Their pre-crisis vintages weren't all that much worse.

If you're ever curious about how this all works you can check out most major issuer's Reg AB websites. Fords is here

https://credit.ford.com/investor-center/institutional-investments-terms
 
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Spungo

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... place. HILARIOUS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0SgMk7RFXA

When reality hits them in their face, they can't stand it and go batshit bonkers. Holy shit.
I like how they put Santelli and Liesman together just to watch them fight. It perfectly describes America. Do we want to see real financial news? Nope, we want to see people fight.

This is something I find fascinating. A person can get a "no money down" auto loan at ~2%. Drive it off the lot and the value drops ~20% or more.
If people were walking away from underwater houses what will they do with underwater cars if they have a financial hiccup?
I don't know, but we could probably make a TV show about it. We'll spice it up by making people fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-Iclmwnk8

What's odd about that show is how they admit these are re-enactments of real events, but the cinematography is more like Cops.
 
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fskimospy

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Welllllll there is the market fundamentals and then there are things that manipulate/change the market from its baseline. Like trying to suppress the business cycle in 2008 just means it'll come back worse, its just a fact of life.

Its not really manipulation in the sense that some guy is pulling all the strings so much that the rules of the game are changing as the game is concurrently being played and it takes awhile for the market to reach equilibrium.

Housing is still being propped up by lower mortgage rates via QE and operation twist especially. It has the side effect of pushing out the younger generations (pricing them out) of the housing market which is going to be the reckoning felt later. Lots of stuff like that.

Same with 2% auto loans as way more than 2% of auto loans will fail. Just as inflated tuition costs is a direct result of federal loans but considering there is no way to default there is no way for feedback into the student loan system. Its going to go into a positive feedback loop like all the bubbles in the past.

So if we just print the money and monetize our own bonds the predictable result is less trust and respect for the USD which I personally think I observe happening but whatever. The worlds economic center is always its creative and cultural center as well, so all you gotta do is take a peek at how hollywood is doing overseas (generally terrible, movies in general are pretty bad).

All rather inevitable just as inevitable as the baby boomers buying lots of potato chips at age 33.2 as the demographics always say happens. Thats the interesting part is all the boomers who have PAPER gains on the stock market for their retirement, its going to be a rush for the exit once they start to pull that money. Its all really quite inevitable. Derp derp. Better have a plan.

Santelli is a "useful idiot" in that fundamentally nothing he says is really wrong per se, its just the timing is completely wrong and he is overhyping. So do you want to make money or do you want to plan for the future? Two different things. Two different sources for advice. Lots of money is to be made in even late stage bullmarkets. I don't see how what he says is any worse than all these people saying buy Facebook or whatever when the company barely makes any cash. They'll tell you when to buy of course but will neglect to tell you when to sell :awe:

This is kind of what I'm talking about. You have a guy who has been completely, catastrophically wrong for half a decade and you still have people trying to argue that he's right.

At what point do you admit that he just doesn't know what he's talking about? Business cycle my ass.
 

OverVolt

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This is kind of what I'm talking about. You have a guy who has been completely, catastrophically wrong for half a decade and you still have people trying to argue that he's right.

At what point do you admit that he just doesn't know what he's talking about? Business cycle my ass.

Ohh pfft if you want to be filthy rich you play both sides. :p Ride it on the way up but see it coming on the way down. The bull markets are practically a given. Just pay attention to the rate of lending. Once the banks become hesitant to loan in a certain sector its default time!

Legendkiller is oohhhhh so confident in the car market HMMM :awe:

...I like poling peoples opinions with stuff like this.
 
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LegendKiller

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Ohh pfft if you want to be filthy rich you play both sides. :p Ride it on the way up but see it coming on the way down. The bull markets are practically a given. Just pay attention to the rate of lending. Once the banks become hesitant to loan in a certain sector its default time!

Legendkiller is oohhhhh so confident in the car market HMMM :awe:

Do you have a single shred of evidence to counter it? Any fundamental drivers that indicate a potential deviation from historical performance? Ltv, dti, pti, are all within historical standards. What do you have? Fordo securitizations have been around for more than 20 years.

You got nothing but some pissant bullshit.
 

Balt

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"It's impossible for you to have been more wrong."

Gotta hate hearing that and knowing deep down it's completely true. :D
 

Engineer

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I like how they put Santelli and Liesman together just to watch them fight.

That wasn't a fight...it was a slaughter. Liesman destroyed Santelli. This isn't the first time Santelli has went off...he's always been right on the edge and has slipped off more than once. This might have been the first time he's hit the bottom of the canyon though.
 

OverVolt

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Do you have a single shred of evidence to counter it? Any fundamental drivers that indicate a potential deviation from historical performance? Ltv, dti, pti, are all within historical standards. What do you have? Fordo securitizations have been around for more than 20 years.

You got nothing but some pissant bullshit.

You guys had to extend the loan terms to get there. :awe: Things are good for now I know. One of these days the "cars last longer so we can make longer term loans" story won't fly and the market for auto loans will take a hit. Just not today. So crack the champagne and invest in Ally Wells and Chase while it lasts, who cares! What next 96 month terms? Hilarious.