The guitar solo is dead.

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There?s a moment halfway through Nickelback?s massive 2005 hit Photograph in which singer Chad Kroeger?s voice fades away and a chiming acoustic-guitar passage plays out over a couple of bars. Older music fans ? those familiar with the performers Nickelback has been accused of ripping off ? might have felt a twinge of expectation: if this song had come out 10 years ago, this is where the guitar solo might have begun.

Instead of some fretboard sizzling, Photograph returns to another verse of Kroeger?s musings on visually inspired nostalgia. The fact that Nickelback, a defiantly un-hip band that hews closely to the dictates of mainstream radio, would forsake a guitar solo indicates how much this longstanding rock-music staple has fallen out of favour.

Not long ago, an instrumental guitar passage was a prerequisite for any respectable rock song; tracks like Guns N? Roses? Sweet Child O? Mine, AC/DC?s Back in Blackand the theme to Top Gun felt like threadbare excuses for extensive axe-wielding. Eighties pop hits like David Bowie?s Let?s Dance or Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively ? to attract a rock audience. Nirvana?s 1991 anthem Smells Like Teen Spirit might have signalled a plate-shift in the pop-culture landscape against corporate rock, but it wasn?t revolutionary enough to eschew a solo.

These days, it?s hard to find much six-string noodling in any rock music. In the 1990s, even indie rock had guitar heroes, like Dinosaur Jr.?s J. Mascis, whose solos were long and sloppy but full of reckless charm, and the Pixies? Joey Santiago, whose inspired, angular playing suited singer Black Francis?s abstract, Magnetic Poetry lyrics. Now, indie-ish guitar bands like the White Stripes or Franz Ferdinand go solo-free. Even the bands you?d most expect to feature extensive lead-playing ? hard-rocking all-guy groups like Audioslave and Slipknot ? don?t bother with them.

?It?s not trendy enough to do guitar solos,? suggests Mike McCready, lead guitarist for Pearl Jam. ?Maybe people aren?t writing songs that they think need guitar solos, or people are telling them not to do that. I want them to come back.?

The issue arises in one memorable scene in Some Kind of Monster, the 2004 documentary about the making of Metallica?s album St. Anger. In an unintentionally hilarious discussion, the iconic metal band argues about leaving out guitar solos entirely from the album. ?We started talking about the idea of the guitar solo as... something that?s a little outdated,? drummer Lars Ulrich informs lead guitarist Kirk Hammett.



?That?s so bulls---,? replies Hammett, obviously wounded. ?If you don?t put a guitar solo in one of these songs, it dates it to this period.? (Hammett would lose the fight; no solos ended up on St. Anger.)

Some, like Warren Kinsella, author of the punk history Fury?s Hour, are shedding no tears over this development. According to Kinsella, lead-guitar breaks are no longer in fashion ?because they suck. They represent the zenith of rock ?n? roll onanism. Because they are boring. Because they add nothing to the melody. Yuck.?


Solos endured for decades because they served practical purposes. They provided the listener a break from the singer?s voice; the singer, conversely, wouldn?t have to think up another verse ? or, God forbid, write an entirely new bridge ? to fit between choruses. They allowed a band?s guitar player time in the spotlight.

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Eli

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It's sad indeed.

I miss solos in new music. :(
 

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Jack White still does them on a few tracks, but they're not in the same league as the soloists back in the day.
 

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All I have to say is DRAGONFORCE

This band has such a ridiculous amount of buzz right now. I recognize recommending this band isn't a good example to counter your argument because it is metal, but the solos on their tracks are mind-blowing. The momentum this band is gaining is amazing - I've heard them on college radio, seen their new video of public access, and on their first American tour they are playing the main Ozzfest stage.

While solos may be dying, bands like these make sure they never go away.

dragonforce.com - listen to their media player.
 

silverpig

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Lyrics are just wasted time between solos. :)

The thing is most lyrics are just rehashes of the same old ideas of teen rebellion, love, break ups, etc. There's never anything really new in them.
 

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Originally posted by: elmro
All I have to say is DRAGONFORCE

This band has such a ridiculous amount of buzz right now. I recognize recommending this band isn't a good example to counter your argument because it is metal, but the solos on their tracks are mind-blowing. The momentum this band is gaining is amazing - I've heard them on college radio, seen their new video of public access, and on their first American tour they are playing the main Ozzfest stage.

While solos may be dying, bands like these make sure they never go away.

dragonforce.com - listen to their media player.
Dragonforce rocks.

 

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Actually the lack of the guitar solo is a product of nu-metal to which modpop caught on. It will actually be the period dater that Hammett referenced. Lets face it, from Chuck Berry to BB King to Jerry Garcia to Tom Petty the guitar is the heart and soul of Rock and Roll. Antisolo is a marker of a vien, not a genre wide sentiment, just like the flismy synthesizer sound and 808 drum beats of pop in the 80s. Dan Donegan of Disturbed, formerly a lynchpin of the numetal antisolo camp, was quoted in a recent article as sayng that his band pushed him to churn out the solos for the latest record, because that was direction the material wanted to go in.
The solo is not any more dead than Jimi Hendrix is. err I mean than Jimi Hendrix isn't. or whatever
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: turunturun
Actually the lack of the guitar solo is a product of nu-metal to which modpop caught on. It will actually be the period dater that Hammett referenced. Lets face it, from Chuck Berry to BB King to Jerry Garcia to Tom Petty the guitar is the heart and soul of Rock and Roll. Antisolo is a marker of a vien, not a genre wide sentiment, just like the flismy synthesizer sound and 808 drum beats of pop in the 80s. Dan Donegan of Disturbed, formerly a lynchpin of the numetal antisolo camp, was quoted in a recent article as sayng that his band pushed him to churn out the solos for the latest record, because that was direction the material wanted to go in.
The solo is not any more dead than Jimi Hendrix is. err I mean than Jimi Hendrix isn't. or whatever
:D
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hdeck

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pretty much every metal band today has guitar solos in all their songs. they just aren't the ones getting all the airtime on clear channel radio stations.
 

Pacfanweb

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Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively
Stevie Ray did not play on Beat It. He never played with Michael that I know of.
 

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively
Stevie Ray did not play on Beat It. He never played with Michael that I know of.

David Bowie?s Let?s Dance or Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively

Reading comprehension FTW! ;)
 

MrPickins

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Originally posted by: Spydermag68
Just listen to RUSH. Guitar, bass and drum solos for the win! :music:

I like my vocalists to sound like their nuts have dropped. :laugh:
(I keed, I keed. The rest of the band is good)
 

Kalmah

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Because they are boring. Because they add nothing to the melody. Yuck.

A good guitarist can play a solo that is a part of the song. Not just a shred-showoff. This statement is utter bullsh!t. They do "add to the melody" if you are good. The guy that said this is an author, probably with connections to those who control the majority of the music industry. If you keep the solos out, you keep the competition down, you lose the chance of ever having to worry about their being a lack of talent, because they make sure everything is kept simple and that the puppets.. err I mean fans don't know what talent can really be.... keeping the money flowing.

Bottom line- if an artist can't write a solo that isn't "boring and adds nothing to the melody" then this so called 'artist' needs to find a new career.

I still write guitar solos in my own music; why? Because I like them.
Metallica said they like them but they didn't put them in their new album; why? Because they no longer write music for themselves, but for what the record labels tell them is going to make more money instead. If you want to know the defination of selling out, Metallica fit the bill. They said so themselves, just read it over again.

A musicians that is truely passionate about music for the love of doing it, will do what he/she wants to do, not what is or isn't "out of date" or popular.

 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively
Stevie Ray did not play on Beat It. He never played with Michael that I know of.

David Bowie?s Let?s Dance or Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively

Reading comprehension FTW! ;)
More like "bad writing, FTL", as far as that article goes.
 

MrPickins

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I dare anyone to listen to Stevie Ray Vaughn's cover of "Little Wing" and tell me than solos don't contribute to the melody. :roll:
 

turunturun

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Originally posted by: MrPickins
I dare anyone to listen to Stevie Ray Vaughn's cover of "Little Wing" and tell me than solos don't contribute to the melody. :roll:

if every guitar player had as much fire as stevie then the guitar solo would be our national anthem
 

EarthwormJim

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively
Stevie Ray did not play on Beat It. He never played with Michael that I know of.

David Bowie?s Let?s Dance or Michael Jackson?s Beat It featured guest appearances from noted soloists ? Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eddie Van Halen, respectively

Reading comprehension FTW! ;)
More like "bad writing, FTL", as far as that article goes.


Do you fail to comprehend the meaning of respectively? I don't see how it could be more clear.
 

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Haha. Funny thing just happened. I read the article, said "Wow. I didn't realize it before, but they're right." And then Winamp kicked on Avenged Sevenfold - Seize the Day. And while I sat there, trying to brainstorm up any new music with solos in it, it hit one of the SEVERAL in that song. But A7X appears to be the exception - I can't think of very many other mainstream bands that do such.

It's also ironic that Metallica skipped the solos on St. Anger.... Because the iconic solo that always comes to my mind first is the one from Master of Puppets. Especially the S&M version - it's just ghostly, and says more than the rest of the 9 minute song. I guess that's one of the reasons I couldn't stand to listen to the album (I went ahead and downloaded *GASP!* it, could only make it through the first four songs before I had to delete it, because it sucked that bad. And I was a HUGE Metallica fan through Load and Reload)
 

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You guys listen to too much main stream music. I know plenty of bands that don't "solo" but still are awesome to listen to. I still like listening to 80's metal, but solos usually never make a song in my book.
 

nageov3t

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I've always found guitar solos to be really boring and vain.

/flamesuiton :p

if I don't like the lyrics to a song, I probably won't be listening to it. for me at least, 95% of the enjoyment that I get from music comes from listening to amazing, or at least interesting, lyrics.