The Greatest threat to Israel

[IrateLeaf]

http://standforisrael.blogs.com/stand_for_israel/2006/06/the_three_great.html
A logical opinion. A different spin on the iranian Nuclear program.
Even though I believe I have also heard it said this way before.

An unsettling prognosis as the Israel Defense Forces prepares for the next five years:

The No. 1 danger to Israel, as outlined in the five-year plan, is the Iranian nuclear program, which is defined as an "existential threat to Israel." It is followed by the threat of a renewed low-intensity conflict with the Palestinians. The third level of threat is all-out war.

A few things to consider:
The U.S. president's job performance ratings are the lowest of any president in U.S. history, largely due to our military presence in the Middle East. The UK has repeatedly called for the resignation of Tony Blair. A new U.S. president may not appreciate the solidarity that is now demonstrated by the U.S. and Great Britian towards Israel. Perhaps future political/military strategic planning should take the above into account as a preemptive measure.
Secondly, the Iranian nuclear program would constitute more a threat to the U.S., UK, and Europe in terms of destructive force than Israel. Your enemies do not want to destroy the land or their holy shrines/sites. The destruction of Israel put simply is a mandate for genocide. Moreover, with the "superpowers" of the world disabled (the real targets of the Iranian nuclear program), the Jewish people would be easy prey. This will become a global conflict of catastrophic proportions if you cannot successfully demoralize this enemy.
You see, I do not believe that history is already written. I believe that we write our history as we go, day by day, moment by moment. And, who knows, perhaps your courageous planning and faith in your God will not only preserve your own nation but will ultimatly preserve and protect all peace-loving peoples of the world.
May G-d be with you. Shalom.
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I could see a possible future pre-emtive strike arsising out of this. I am sure the super powers want nothing of an Iranian nuclear program.
As to who would do the pre-emptive strike? Now thats another good question.
mainly becuase most people are convinced Iran would be the first to lobb a nuclear weapon for no reason at all. Other than to do it.

 

[miketheidiot]

im not sure what the hell you are talking about, But The greatest threat to israel is itself.

 

[Aisengard]

That statement is meaningless, and very cliche, because you could make a valid claim that the greatest threat to anyone is they themselves.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
im not sure what the hell you are talking about, But The greatest threat to israel is itself.

I am sorry that you feel that Israel doe not have a right to defend itself against an enemie that hides among women and children.

If you feel that way then I would also be able to say that you probably feel that diplomacy was the way this should have been handled.
just like all the previous times.lolol
It has been said by alot of people on these board who are enlightened and not necessarily supporters of israel. That if the Arabs would just leave Israel alone. There would be peace in th middle east.

 

[Rainsford]

No offense, but that's quite possibly the WORST analysis of the current situation in Iran that I've ever read. I'm not saying an Iran that has nuclear weapons wouldn't be a threat, but it most certainly wouldn't be a threat in the way you seem to fear.

The major problem with the theory that Iran is going to nuke anyone as a first strike is that it would much more directly involve them in the conflict and invite a response that would end their entire country. I know, I know, they're all a bunch of nutjobs who want to die. Don't believe the hype, there ARE plenty of nutjobs willing to die for their religion, but the Iranian leaders are not among them. That's why they indirectly support groups like Hezbollah instead of strapping bombs to their chests and walking into a crowded market. Their stock in trade is supporting violence from afar, a lesson no doubt learned from the US and the USSR during the Cold War. Directly attacking the US or our allies, especially with nuclear weapons, would invite instant destruction of their entire country...something I think they'd rather prevent. Even passing nuclear weapons to groups like Hezbollah would be a big no-no, as such an action would almost certainly be traced back to them...with the same results.

So why do I think they want nuclear weapons? To be honest, I think they realize what the rest of the world has known for a while, nuclear weapons make an excellent deterrent and a poor offensive weapon. Iran is facing vastly more powerful enemies that all posses nuclear weapons, Israel and the US can hit them in a way they can't respond to, and have an excellent deterrent against conventional attack. Moreover, as we could crush them in a conventional conflict, they very much want a way to give us pause in doing so. Which is the real threat, if Iran has nuclear weapons, they have an effective defense against attack by Israel and the US and our allies...so they will be much more free in engaging in conflicts in the region, either directly or indirectly. An Iran with nuclear weapons might even try taking over Iraq, something they've wanted to do for a while now.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
im not sure what the hell you are talking about, But The greatest threat to israel is itself.

I am sorry that you feel that Israel doe not have a right to defend itself against an enemie that hides among women and children.

If you feel that way then I would also be able to say that you probably feel that diplomacy was the way this should have been handled.
just like all the previous times.lolol
It has been said by alot of people on these board who are enlightened and not necessarily supporters of israel. That if the Arabs would just leave Israel alone. There would be peace in th middle east.

When has israel ever handled anything with diplomacy? Instead they just breed generation after generation o f people who want nothing more than revenge.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
No offense, but that's quite possibly the WORST analysis of the current situation in Iran that I've ever read. I'm not saying an Iran that has nuclear weapons wouldn't be a threat, but it most certainly wouldn't be a threat in the way you seem to fear.

The major problem with the theory that Iran is going to nuke anyone as a first strike is that it would much more directly involve them in the conflict and invite a response that would end their entire country. I know, I know, they're all a bunch of nutjobs who want to die. Don't believe the hype, there ARE plenty of nutjobs willing to die for their religion, but the Iranian leaders are not among them. That's why they indirectly support groups like Hezbollah instead of strapping bombs to their chests and walking into a crowded market. Their stock in trade is supporting violence from afar, a lesson no doubt learned from the US and the USSR during the Cold War. Directly attacking the US or our allies, especially with nuclear weapons, would invite instant destruction of their entire country...something I think they'd rather prevent. Even passing nuclear weapons to groups like Hezbollah would be a big no-no, as such an action would almost certainly be traced back to them...with the same results.

So why do I think they want nuclear weapons? To be honest, I think they realize what the rest of the world has known for a while, nuclear weapons make an excellent deterrent and a poor offensive weapon. Iran is facing vastly more powerful enemies that all posses nuclear weapons, Israel and the US can hit them in a way they can't respond to, and have an excellent deterrent against conventional attack. Moreover, as we could crush them in a conventional conflict, they very much want a way to give us pause in doing so. Which is the real threat, if Iran has nuclear weapons, they have an effective defense against attack by Israel and the US and our allies...so they will be much more free in engaging in conflicts in the region, either directly or indirectly. An Iran with nuclear weapons might even try taking over Iraq, something they've wanted to do for a while now.

qft.

 

[her209]

Isn't Pakistan a Muslim country with nuclear weapons?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: her209
Isn't Pakistan a Muslim country with nuclear weapons?

yes

 

[Lemon law]

Actually------Israel---with its recent actions in Lebanon---has probably effectively doomed any US led diplomatic efforts to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. And Iran---to prevent Israel from using conventional bombs to set back its efforts---has placed its facilities far underground----leaving only the Israelie use of nuclear weapons against Iran---or a direct invasion with ground troops as the other possible direct options Israel has.

But its probably five years off before Iran can obtain enough fissionable materials to join the nuclear club under its own power. And the short range ramifications of the Lebanese crisis may make all speculations on Iran a moot point.---but its clear that Israel is starting what will amount to a mid-east arms race---as all sides---terrorists included---beef up on their offensive conventional weapons.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: her209
Isn't Pakistan a Muslim country with nuclear weapons?

Yes but it seems much less likely that Pakistan would use those weapons on Israel, they are saving them for the possibility of another war with India. Pakistan appears to have recently obtained missiles that can reach Israel, but clearly the current leadership would have not interest in doing something like that. There is always to threat of Islamic radicals taking over the country and doing something like that, but the issue is there are questions about Iran's leadership right now.

 

[Aimster]

Iran is afraid to attack Israel.
They get others to do it for them.

If Iran attacks Israel, Iran knows the U.S would remove the Islamic regime from Iran and all the mullahs will be living in tents rather than their million dollar marble floor homes.

 

[Lemon law]

No Aimster,

While the first premise in your post is probably correct---Iran and its mullahs are not stupid enough to directly attack Israel--because the retaliation would be likely devistating.

But rather than being exciled to tents---assuming the marble palaces remained standing---it would just unite Iran even more firmly behind the mullahs.

If left alone the mullahs will finally anger the Iranian people with their holier than thou antics and get the boot when the Iranian people wise up.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm always amazed that "nuclear program" and "nuclear weapons program" are so conveniently represented as one and the same, particularly by those who already have nuclear weapons... and an axe to grind with the party engaging in any sort of nuclear program at all... The underlying assumption that the Iranians are seeking nuclear weapons seems to be near universal among Americans- even though there's no actual proof of that whatsoever, kinda like Saddam's WMD's...

There are UN inspectors monitoring the Iranian program as we type, and they've found no nuclear weapons program activities at all... but, please, don't let that simple fact interfere with the fearmongering and agitprop assaulting your thought processes from every side...

The will to believe in known liars and charlatans is so deep and so profound as to be nearly insurmountable... being played for chumps is one thing, but allowing it to happen over and over again from the same perps is pathological, a sign of intellects warped and stunted by propaganda, conditioned to respond like pavlov's dogs...

 

[2Xtreme21]

I think the greatest threat to Israel are Zionists who post on message boards attempting to incite flame wars.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: her209
Isn't Pakistan a Muslim country with nuclear weapons?

Yes but it seems much less likely that Pakistan would use those weapons on Israel, they are saving them for the possibility of another war with India. Pakistan appears to have recently obtained missiles that can reach Israel, but clearly the current leadership would have not interest in doing something like that. There is always to threat of Islamic radicals taking over the country and doing something like that, but the issue is there are questions about Iran's leadership right now.

Even if Islamic radicals took control, I would still guess their first target would be India. There's been bad blood between them for almost exactly as long there has between the Muslims on the other side of the ME and the Israelis (1947/48 - today). And Pakistan CLEARLY pursued and obtained those weapons specifically against India.

 

[ericlp]

When the hell, "blogs" are not news and politics...

This thread should be locked...

 

[MrPabulum]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
im not sure what the hell you are talking about, But The greatest threat to israel is itself.

I am waiting for Katie Couric to say the same thing. Then the circle of nonsensical comments will be complete.

 

[MrPabulum]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
im not sure what the hell you are talking about, But The greatest threat to israel is itself.

I am sorry that you feel that Israel doe not have a right to defend itself against an enemie that hides among women and children.

If you feel that way then I would also be able to say that you probably feel that diplomacy was the way this should have been handled.
just like all the previous times.lolol
It has been said by alot of people on these board who are enlightened and not necessarily supporters of israel. That if the Arabs would just leave Israel alone. There would be peace in th middle east.

When has israel ever handled anything with diplomacy? Instead they just breed generation after generation o f people who want nothing more than revenge.

Really? You think that those various peace movements were Arab in origin? Or maybe simply spontaneous?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: MrPabulum

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
im not sure what the hell you are talking about, But The greatest threat to israel is itself.

I am sorry that you feel that Israel doe not have a right to defend itself against an enemie that hides among women and children.

If you feel that way then I would also be able to say that you probably feel that diplomacy was the way this should have been handled.
just like all the previous times.lolol
It has been said by alot of people on these board who are enlightened and not necessarily supporters of israel. That if the Arabs would just leave Israel alone. There would be peace in th middle east.

When has israel ever handled anything with diplomacy? Instead they just breed generation after generation o f people who want nothing more than revenge.

Really? You think that those various peace movements were Arab in origin? Or maybe simply spontaneous?

Er, weren't most of the peace attempts started by the US...not Israel?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: her209
Isn't Pakistan a Muslim country with nuclear weapons?

Yes but it seems much less likely that Pakistan would use those weapons on Israel, they are saving them for the possibility of another war with India. Pakistan appears to have recently obtained missiles that can reach Israel, but clearly the current leadership would have not interest in doing something like that. There is always to threat of Islamic radicals taking over the country and doing something like that, but the issue is there are questions about Iran's leadership right now.

The people that control Pakistan's arsenal (the military) have no interest in Israel as a target. They're completely obsessed with India and Kashmir and will likely remain that way for a very long time to come. Just yesterday one Indian diplomat got caught in Pakistan with sensitive documents and was expelled and in return India expelled a Pakistani diplomat. Those two countries will never be at peace with each other which simply means more business for Western countries to sell them arms. It's a shame, Pakistan and Indian people share a common heritage and culture yet they have petty issues dividing them.