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[Retro Rob]

wait what--why would anyone complain about time off for ~2 weeks in the winter? so the fuck what if Christian shit is happening. Really--someone would be more than happy to work on Christmas? Bullfucking shit.

The real sickness is wanting to work all the time with no holidays. Or just because the holiday is "religious." what a load of processed italian sausage product.

Are you cool with all businesses closing on Sundays?

 

[SMOGZINN]

wait what--why would anyone complain about time off for ~2 weeks in the winter? so the fuck what if Christian shit is happening. Really--someone would be more than happy to work on Christmas? Bullfucking shit.

The real sickness is wanting to work all the time with no holidays. Or just because the holiday is "religious." what a load of processed italian sausage product.

Sure I would like time off to spend with my family. I'm not saying that rational people don't want time off, I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter what day it is. Anyway, who gets ~2 weeks off except children? My work gives us 1 day.

 

[alzan]

He's too big a hypocrite to work on that day. As with most liberals, as long as the pendulum swings their way, they're silent.

He's gets paid for being off. He not going to screw that up.

Businesses that are closed for holidays (regardless of origin) will not, under most circumstances, open for one or more employee's who think they should come into work because they're not theists. It usually ends up costing the businesses more than it's worth.

I've actually worked a few Christmases in the past; I was the only employee who wasn't married or had children and who knew what the hell they were doing. He paid me a weeks salary just to come in those days.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Are you cool with all businesses closing on Sundays?

Why Sundays, everyone who has ever read the Bible know the Sabbath is on Saturdays so it can't be for religious reasons.

Unless some religious people are so retarded that they continue a tradition of being wrong just because.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

He's too big a hypocrite to work on that day. As with most liberals, as long as the pendulum swings their way, they're silent.

He's gets paid for being off. He not going to screw that up.

Christians today know that the holiday is a pagan holiday and that anyone can verify that Jesus wasn't born in mid winter but rather in the spring.

Yet they celebrate it...

You want to define hypocrisy? To celebrate something you know is falsely claimed to be in the name of your religion might just be it.

 

[Retro Rob]

Businesses that are closed for holidays (regardless of origin) will not, under most circumstances, open for one or more employee's who think they should come into work because they're not theists. It usually ends up costing the businesses more than it's worth.

I've actually worked a few Christmases in the past; I was the only employee who wasn't married or had children and who knew what the hell they were doing. He paid me a weeks salary just to come in those days.

Well, I'm not saying anyone should work that day, but Christmas isn't a secular holiday...like say, Memorial day. If he wants it "all secular", then lobby to make Christmas a working holiday as that day clearly is rooted in non-Christian religious beliefs.

I like how atheists want to say that they don't celebrate it for religious reasons, or how they modify it by saying "happy holidays". There are too many benefits of having Christmas off (like getting gifts, paid time off, and an excuse to get drunk/party all night).

A truly secular person wouldn't recognize it under any circumstances.

 

[Retro Rob]

You want to define hypocrisy? To celebrate something you know is falsely claimed to be in the name of your religion might just be it.

Agree.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Agree.

Great, so celebrating Christmas should be for pagans alone then.

I don't mind changing the name to winter solctice, we'll still keep the pagan symbols with the tree and the lights in it and we'll still get and give presents.

That would finally end the "war on christmas" that some christians feel is happening too.

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

Christmas is no more an American holiday than it is a Christian one. It's a pagan celebration of the Roman sun god, to be exact.

We should call it by its true name..."Saturnalia"!!

To nitpick it's not only a Roman celebration. Similar winter solstice festivals or celebrations can be seen in many cultures around the world. Our "Christmas" is different from yours or from the Romans' because it's also largely affected by our local pagan traditions and mythologies altho it shares some traditions like gift-giving which comes from Saturnalia. I doubt the Romans had a "Santa" dressed as a goat to gain shamanistic powers and then go from door to door to scare children and get horribly drunk doing so like we had and still have in some places.

But one thing is sure; it has originally absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Where in the Bible can you find the shamanistic drunk goat? To claim Christmas is Christian is pure ignorance. You can celebrate your Christ on the winter solstice if you so wish but to claim the celebration your own is absurd. You don't get to say that only Christians can have days off from work simply because it's not your celebration originally. You don't get to dictate on our celebration. It's our tradition not just your Christians'. It predates Christianity so please Christians fuck off with your ignorant and arrogant nonsense.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

To nitpick it's not only a Roman celebration. Similar winter solstice festivals or celebrations can be seen in many cultures around the world. Our "Christmas" is different from yours or from the Romans' because it's also largely affected by our local pagan traditions and mythologies altho it shares some traditions like gift-giving which comes from Saturnalia. I doubt the Romans had a "Santa" dressed as a goat to gain shamanistic powers and then go from door to door to scare children and get horribly drunk doing so like we had and still have in some places.

But one thing is sure; it has originally absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Where in the Bible can you find the shamanistic drunk goat? To claim Christmas is Christian is pure ignorance. You can celebrate your Christ on the winter solstice if you so wish but to claim the celebration your own is absurd. You don't get to say that only Christians can have days off from work simply because it's not your celebration originally. You don't get to dictate on our celebration. It's our tradition not just your Christians'. It predates Christianity so please Christians fuck off with your ignorant and arrogant nonsense.

Funniest thing i ever read was some retard arguing that not having a Christmas tree in the lobby in his company was anti-christian.

The fucking tree is of Nordic pagan origins, it has absolutely nothing to do with Christmas.

The Goat thing is purely Nordic, i don't think any other nation apart from Sweden and Finland (and MAYBE Norway) associates the goat with Christmas.

 

[ElFenix]

Since When were liberals fighting against censorship of certain music? It was Al's wife, Tipper that led the fight against rap and ultimately led to the PMRC and age labeling all music.

that was back when rick perry was endorsing al gore for pres.

 

[alzan]

Well, I'm not saying anyone should work that day, but Christmas isn't a secular holiday...like say, Memorial day. If he wants it "all secular", then lobby to make Christmas a working holiday as that day clearly is rooted in non-Christian religious beliefs.

I like how atheists want to say that they don't celebrate it for religious reasons, or how they modify it by saying "happy holidays". There are too many benefits of having Christmas off (like getting gifts, paid time off, and an excuse to get drunk/party all night).

A truly secular person wouldn't recognize it under any circumstances.

Saying "Happy Holidays" is a term of politeness; I don't know the religion (if any) of any random person or acquaintance to whom I might say the phrase, nor am I going to ask them.

No one is perfect.

The Goat thing is purely Nordic, i don't think any other nation apart from Sweden and Finland (and MAYBE Norway) associates the goat with Christmas.

Having never lived in Sweden, Finland or Norway I can't swear to this but the idea of snuggling up to a nice warm wooly goat, especially on Christmas, is a comforting one. If it's dressed as Santa, so much the better.

 

[zinfamous]

Drunken Winter Goat.

That is awesome.

 

[nehalem256]

Just as an FYI I would bet that many rational people would be happy to work Christmas (I know I would). Only there is a xianist conspiracy to prevent us from doing so in order to force their religious holiday on the rest of us.

I am pretty sure if I really wanted to I could have come into work on Christmas. Fight the power man.

wait what--why would anyone complain about time off for ~2 weeks in the winter? so the fuck what if Christian shit is happening. Really--someone would be more than happy to work on Christmas? Bullfucking shit.

The real sickness is wanting to work all the time with no holidays. Or just because the holiday is "religious." what a load of processed italian sausage product.

The people that want a complete separation of church and state should be.

I mean if a little nativity scene makes you butt-hurt due to the government endorsement of religion. How much more butt-hurt should you be over the government declaring it a national holiday?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Saying "Happy Holidays" is a term of politeness; I don't know the religion (if any) of any random person or acquaintance to whom I might say the phrase, nor am I going to ask them.

No one is perfect.

In the Nordic nations they didn't even bother to change the name after the Christening, it's still referred to as Jul/Jule/idon'tunderstandfinnish.

Having never lived in Sweden, Finland or Norway I can't swear to this but the idea of snuggling up to a nice warm wooly goat, especially on Christmas, is a comforting one. If it's dressed as Santa, so much the better.

Imagine the morning breath of a hungover goat though.

I have no idea where the idea of the goat came from but I'm pretty sure the story teller was drunk on brännvin or koskenkorva.

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

Having never lived in Sweden, Finland or Norway I can't swear to this but the idea of snuggling up to a nice warm wooly goat, especially on Christmas, is a comforting one. If it's dressed as Santa, so much the better.

Really? Snuggle up to him? This is a mild version. With traditions like these the Christians over here don't even try to deny the pagan roots of winter solstice but they still feel entitled to tell that non-believers can't have days off because it is somehow a Christian holiday. I see it is the same over there. Most Christians don't give a damn but there are always those fools who make this argument. Stupidity like this pisses me off to no end. It makes no sense! Get that through your thick religious ignorance filled skulls. It is not a Christian holiday, it is a celebration that predates Christianity and has evolved through the millenia to its current form taking in influences from many cultures and mythologies. You don't get to make the rules just because you think you're right and everyone else is wrong and going to hell. That's your belief. I don't give a fuck about your beliefs. You can shove them along with the Bible up your arse for all I care.

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

in the nordic nations they didn't even bother to change the name after the christening, it's still referred to as jul/jule/joulu

ftfy

 

[MasterOfUsers]

ftfy

Thank you.

I noted that Finland is through to the semifinals... Gonna have to step up your game from here on though.

Best of luck.

 

[shira]

He's too big a hypocrite to work on that day. As with most liberals, as long as the pendulum swings their way, they're silent.

He's gets paid for being off. He not going to screw that up.

I like getting paid holidays off - my company typically gives me the entire last two weeks of the year off.

Christ was just a normal Jewish man (if he existed at all) and gullible Christians think he was the "Son of God." They actually created a religion out of it, if you can believe that! But if you can get the government to give extra paid days off for all of us - Christians and non-Christians alike, I'm all for it.

I always say "Happy Holidays," and refer to the holiday period as the "Winter Break." I also fully support the ACLU and other groups that do their best to get "Christ" out of the Winter Break. It's pretty offensive, actually, trying to foist that BS on the rest of us as if fairy tales were real. If there's a War against Christmas, I'm definitely one of its foot-soldiers.

But thanks for the holidays!

 

[Retro Rob]

Christ was just a normal Jewish man (if he existed at all) and gullible Christians think he was the "Son of God." They actually created a religion out of it, if you can believe that!.

I don't celebrate Christmas at all, and I love the time off.

Christ was more than just a normal Jewish man (since he actually existed) and gullible atheists refuse to accept that he was the "Son of God". They actually created a lack of belief out of it, if you can believe that!

See how that works?

Saying something ain't so, don't make it "ain't so"!

 

[MasterOfUsers]

I don't celebrate Christmas at all, and I love the time off.

Christ was more than just a normal Jewish man (since he actually existed) and gullible atheists refuse to accept that he was the "Son of God". They actually created a lack of belief out of it, if you can believe that!

See how that works?

Saying something ain't so, don't make it "ain't so"!

Kinda like how all Christianity is is the lack of belief in Shiva? It's not that you lack the belief in Shiva, it's that you have an active disbelief in Shiva and created a fatih out of it, right? I don't think you're stupid enough to believe what you type, i really don't.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Christ was just a normal Jewish man

I'm sorry but what? Christ per definition defines the son of God, Jesus was a carpenter, Christ is the son of God, Christ isn't his last name you know.

 

[shira]

I don't celebrate Christmas at all, and I love the time off.

Christ was more than just a normal Jewish man (since he actually existed) and gullible atheists refuse to accept that he was the "Son of God". They actually created a lack of belief out of it, if you can believe that!

See how that works?

Saying something ain't so, don't make it "ain't so"!

Sorry, I don't at all see how that works. When there's no objective evidence for the existence of something, it's a lot bigger stretch to believe that the thing exists than that it doesn't exist. Please talk to a few schizophrenics to understand this point.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Sorry, I don't at all see how that works. When there's no objective evidence for the existence of something, it's a lot bigger stretch to believe that the thing exists than that it doesn't exist. Please talk to a few schizophrenics to understand this point.

I don't think schizophrenics can help him with this... Their doctors might help him though, he has a very split personality depending on time of day. He actually agreed with me on a point at one time and told me that he hated people like me for being so stupid for making that point later in the same thread.

 

[Retro Rob]

Kinda like how all Christianity is is the lack of belief in Shiva? It's not that you lack the belief in Shiva, it's that you have an active disbelief in Shiva and created a fatih out of it, right? I don't think you're stupid enough to believe what you type, i really don't.

Christianity isn't based on the lack of believe in anything, I don't "lack belief" in Shiva (as I am not concerned about it/him/her).

I simply only worry about what I believe to be true.