The Great Flood and Noah's Ark

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: bsobel

so when are you going to provide evidence of the existence of these myths?

They are well known just like the Noah story, not my job to teach you things you should have covered by 4th grade. Try www.google.com

To get your started, here is the Indian one "The story of a great flood is mentioned in ancient Hindu texts, particularly the Satapatha Brahmana. It is compared to the accounts of the Deluge found in several religions and cultures. Manu was informed of the impending flood and was protected by the Matsya Avatara of Lord Vishnu, who had manifested himself in this form to rid the world of morally depraved human beings and protect the pious, as also all animals and plants. After the flood the Lord inspires the Manusmriti, largely based upon the Vedas, which details the moral code of conduct, of living and the division of society according to the caste system."

Hopi "In Hopi mythology, the people moved away from Sotuknang, the creator, repeatedly. He destroyed the world by fire, and then by cold, and recreated it both times for the people that still followed the laws of creation, who survived by hiding underground. People became corrupt and warlike a third time. As a result, Sotuknang guided the people to Spider Woman, and she cut down giant reeds and sheltered the people in the hollow stems. Sotuknang then caused a great flood, and the people floated atop the water in their reeds. The reeds came to rest on a small piece of land, and the people emerged, with as much food as they started with. The people traveled on in their canoes, guided by their inner wisdom (which is said to come from Sotuknang, through the door at the top of their head). They travelled to the northeast, passing progressively larger islands, until they came to the Fourth World. When they reached the fourth world, the islands sank into the ocean."

Hell, pick a culture... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)

sorry, we don't cover bullshit mythology in 4th grade where i'm from, too busy with math and science and english. where the hell did you go to school that they covered this shit?

They never taught this stuff in regular schools but I read enough to know that it's in many different cultures.

 

[alkemyst]

the ark was simply a TARDIS in a form people of the day could accept.

The animals were simply beamed aboard by St. Scottie.

/thread

 

[dquan97]

yes and yes

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
sorry, we don't cover bullshit mythology in 4th grade where i'm from, too busy with math and science and english. where the hell did you go to school that they covered this shit?

...poor kid doesn't realize how dumbed down school has become so everyone can pass today.

Just an FYI we had a lot of math and science and had to READ a ton of crap. SRA's were awesome for learning about all sorts of topics.

So many of my friends with kids are pissed that assignments are so short now as teachers don't have the time nor will to grade. One school was allowing students to do their final reports on TV shows or magazines instead of books. This was high school. Had to be only 300 words.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

Originally posted by: Nik

Scientific evidence is not a guess. Theory is based on evidence, not words on a page written thousands of years ago by human hands.

Science *IS* guessing, some is rather accurate, while some may be a bit off, but none is 100%. This is why science manuals change every year. They have to make corrections. The Bible has not changed since it was written. I'm talking THE Bible, not the one that Catholics decided to add to it. (which is strictly forbidden according to the last page of Revelation).

btw, which Bible is "THE" Bible? The one that contains this part?

1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
18 And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:
19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.
29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.
30 If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him.
31 Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him.
32 If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.
33 And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein;
34 The owner of the pit shall make it good, and give money unto the owner of them; and the dead beast shall be his.
35 And if one man's ox hurt another's, that he die; then they shall sell the live ox, and divide the money of it; and the dead ox also they shall divide.
36 Or if it be known that the ox hath used to push in time past, and his owner hath not kept him in; he shall surely pay ox for ox; and the dead shall be his own.

-The word of God.

God sure seems to be fixated on Oxen.

Also, "Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people." - I assume you didn't complain about Bush, and don't complain about Obama??

These are old testament laws. You guys are missing a major theological turning point between the old testament and the new testament. These "laws" don't apply anymore. Besides, there's a lot you're missing by simply reading the words on the page.

 

[So]

Good god, look at the poll numbers. I can't believe that so many ATers are retarded.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: So
Good god, look at the poll numbers. I can't believe that so many ATers are retarded.

And we represent a slightly higher then average intelligence within the human population. That's the scary part.

 

[TwiceOver]

Was there a flood? Yes, probably.

Was there a guy that built a boat big enough for 2 of each species of animal to survive this flood and then repopulate an entire planet using only two of each animal and not have those animals come out horribly stupid from inbreeding? Probably not.

 

[magomago]

I doubt it. What about a local flood? Sounds much more feasible. I can believe something on a very local scale as very feasible. Big boat with the several random animals that live in the area makes more sense. But every kind of two in the world? Did Noah and his tribe visit South America? Did he grab the Bison in North America? What about the Penguins in Antarctica? Did they go all the way to China to grab a few Pandas? What about Himalayan Tigers? What about Gorrillas in the highlands of Africa? Were there still wooly mammoths at this stage?

Is the Bible clear on a global flood, or is it ambiguous? Several posters indicate that it is global, but they aren't necessarily the posters I'll go to for Biblical interpretation In the Quran when the story is described (although the story is focused largely on his efforts to warn of the people that it was coming...ie: time before the 'flood') it uses the words like earth , but it means earth ie: dirt (think...a mound of earth) and can easily be local. Some other words are also ambiguous...but in light of the obvious logistical problems as well as massive supply chain issues in pulling this off, I would say that to jump to a global flood is a little silly

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: bsobel

so when are you going to provide evidence of the existence of these myths?

They are well known just like the Noah story, not my job to teach you things you should have covered by 4th grade. Try www.google.com

To get your started, here is the Indian one "The story of a great flood is mentioned in ancient Hindu texts, particularly the Satapatha Brahmana. It is compared to the accounts of the Deluge found in several religions and cultures. Manu was informed of the impending flood and was protected by the Matsya Avatara of Lord Vishnu, who had manifested himself in this form to rid the world of morally depraved human beings and protect the pious, as also all animals and plants. After the flood the Lord inspires the Manusmriti, largely based upon the Vedas, which details the moral code of conduct, of living and the division of society according to the caste system."

Hopi "In Hopi mythology, the people moved away from Sotuknang, the creator, repeatedly. He destroyed the world by fire, and then by cold, and recreated it both times for the people that still followed the laws of creation, who survived by hiding underground. People became corrupt and warlike a third time. As a result, Sotuknang guided the people to Spider Woman, and she cut down giant reeds and sheltered the people in the hollow stems. Sotuknang then caused a great flood, and the people floated atop the water in their reeds. The reeds came to rest on a small piece of land, and the people emerged, with as much food as they started with. The people traveled on in their canoes, guided by their inner wisdom (which is said to come from Sotuknang, through the door at the top of their head). They travelled to the northeast, passing progressively larger islands, until they came to the Fourth World. When they reached the fourth world, the islands sank into the ocean."

Hell, pick a culture... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)

sorry, we don't cover bullshit mythology in 4th grade where i'm from, too busy with math and science and english. where the hell did you go to school that they covered this shit?

You really are living up to your username.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: So
Good god, look at the poll numbers. I can't believe that so many ATers are retarded.

And we represent a slightly higher then average intelligence within the human population. That's the scary part.

Slightly higher *than* average.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: So
Good god, look at the poll numbers. I can't believe that so many ATers are retarded.

And we represent a slightly higher then average intelligence within the human population. That's the scary part.

Slightly higher *than* average.

Bigot

 

[silverpig]

This thread, like the ark, is a giant failboat.

 

[BoomerD]

Te "Great Flood" in biblical proportions? No, but I do believe that (at least in certain locales) there was a time of mass flooding.
Much of the western US was changed and rivers carved by the release of what is known as Lake Bonneville, or the great inland sea that covered much of the "Great Basin."
From personal experience working in the mountains of eastern Nevada, we used to find "sea shells" in the sand...at 7000 feet elevation. Most of the rivers in the west are alleged to have been carved from the massive outburst of water when the dam holding the water broke and it all drained out, leaving The Great Salt Lake in its place.

For those who believe the Earth was covered with thousands of feet of water...where did it all go? Where did it drain to if everything was under water?


Did Noah exist? Perhaps...did he build some "super-boat" that held thousands of species of animals? Doubtful.

The Bible is full of mythological stories...written by humans with no understanding of the laws of nature or of physics...just Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
(then re-written to use as a tool to control the masses..."Act in the way I command or "GOD" will send you to a bad place full of fire, brimstone, and eternal suffering!")

 

[JDub02]

:music: The Lord said to Noah, "There's gonna be a floody, floody." :music:

 

[Nik]

I can't believe nobody's posted this yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KHt8xrQkk

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: So
Good god, look at the poll numbers. I can't believe that so many ATers are retarded.

so, look at all the morons voting no.
i can't believe it either.

 

[Kadarin]

I think "The Great Flood" and the story of "Noah's Ark" as told in the Bible are complete fantasy.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Bible = PWNED

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: bsobel

so when are you going to provide evidence of the existence of these myths?

They are well known just like the Noah story, not my job to teach you things you should have covered by 4th grade. Try www.google.com

To get your started, here is the Indian one "The story of a great flood is mentioned in ancient Hindu texts, particularly the Satapatha Brahmana. It is compared to the accounts of the Deluge found in several religions and cultures. Manu was informed of the impending flood and was protected by the Matsya Avatara of Lord Vishnu, who had manifested himself in this form to rid the world of morally depraved human beings and protect the pious, as also all animals and plants. After the flood the Lord inspires the Manusmriti, largely based upon the Vedas, which details the moral code of conduct, of living and the division of society according to the caste system."

Hopi "In Hopi mythology, the people moved away from Sotuknang, the creator, repeatedly. He destroyed the world by fire, and then by cold, and recreated it both times for the people that still followed the laws of creation, who survived by hiding underground. People became corrupt and warlike a third time. As a result, Sotuknang guided the people to Spider Woman, and she cut down giant reeds and sheltered the people in the hollow stems. Sotuknang then caused a great flood, and the people floated atop the water in their reeds. The reeds came to rest on a small piece of land, and the people emerged, with as much food as they started with. The people traveled on in their canoes, guided by their inner wisdom (which is said to come from Sotuknang, through the door at the top of their head). They travelled to the northeast, passing progressively larger islands, until they came to the Fourth World. When they reached the fourth world, the islands sank into the ocean."

Hell, pick a culture... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)

sorry, we don't cover bullshit mythology in 4th grade where i'm from, too busy with math and science and english. where the hell did you go to school that they covered this shit?

You really are living up to your username.

because my highschool didn't cover horseshit mythology and biblical creation stories? because i don't just believe some morons claim that 'every culture ever has a flood story so of course it happened' I would assume tht just about every culture has a flood story, because just about every place where people live has had a flood at some point in its history.

the hell is wrong with you people? stop eating paint chip ffs.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: bsobel

so when are you going to provide evidence of the existence of these myths?

They are well known just like the Noah story, not my job to teach you things you should have covered by 4th grade. Try www.google.com

To get your started, here is the Indian one "The story of a great flood is mentioned in ancient Hindu texts, particularly the Satapatha Brahmana. It is compared to the accounts of the Deluge found in several religions and cultures. Manu was informed of the impending flood and was protected by the Matsya Avatara of Lord Vishnu, who had manifested himself in this form to rid the world of morally depraved human beings and protect the pious, as also all animals and plants. After the flood the Lord inspires the Manusmriti, largely based upon the Vedas, which details the moral code of conduct, of living and the division of society according to the caste system."

Hopi "In Hopi mythology, the people moved away from Sotuknang, the creator, repeatedly. He destroyed the world by fire, and then by cold, and recreated it both times for the people that still followed the laws of creation, who survived by hiding underground. People became corrupt and warlike a third time. As a result, Sotuknang guided the people to Spider Woman, and she cut down giant reeds and sheltered the people in the hollow stems. Sotuknang then caused a great flood, and the people floated atop the water in their reeds. The reeds came to rest on a small piece of land, and the people emerged, with as much food as they started with. The people traveled on in their canoes, guided by their inner wisdom (which is said to come from Sotuknang, through the door at the top of their head). They travelled to the northeast, passing progressively larger islands, until they came to the Fourth World. When they reached the fourth world, the islands sank into the ocean."

Hell, pick a culture... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)

sorry, we don't cover bullshit mythology in 4th grade where i'm from, too busy with math and science and english. where the hell did you go to school that they covered this shit?

You really are living up to your username.

because my highschool didn't cover horseshit mythology and biblical creation stories? the hell is wrong with your people?

Bronze aged people lived near water. Periodically, almost all sources of water "flood", sometimes catastrophically. Naturally, people who survived a flood tell stories about it.

Occam's razor dictates that the most logical conclusion is many unrelated floods similar to the ones we know exist, not a massive pan global flood that also defies the known laws of conservation of mass, soil erosion and physics.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: bsobel

so when are you going to provide evidence of the existence of these myths?

They are well known just like the Noah story, not my job to teach you things you should have covered by 4th grade. Try www.google.com

To get your started, here is the Indian one "The story of a great flood is mentioned in ancient Hindu texts, particularly the Satapatha Brahmana. It is compared to the accounts of the Deluge found in several religions and cultures. Manu was informed of the impending flood and was protected by the Matsya Avatara of Lord Vishnu, who had manifested himself in this form to rid the world of morally depraved human beings and protect the pious, as also all animals and plants. After the flood the Lord inspires the Manusmriti, largely based upon the Vedas, which details the moral code of conduct, of living and the division of society according to the caste system."

Hopi "In Hopi mythology, the people moved away from Sotuknang, the creator, repeatedly. He destroyed the world by fire, and then by cold, and recreated it both times for the people that still followed the laws of creation, who survived by hiding underground. People became corrupt and warlike a third time. As a result, Sotuknang guided the people to Spider Woman, and she cut down giant reeds and sheltered the people in the hollow stems. Sotuknang then caused a great flood, and the people floated atop the water in their reeds. The reeds came to rest on a small piece of land, and the people emerged, with as much food as they started with. The people traveled on in their canoes, guided by their inner wisdom (which is said to come from Sotuknang, through the door at the top of their head). They travelled to the northeast, passing progressively larger islands, until they came to the Fourth World. When they reached the fourth world, the islands sank into the ocean."

Hell, pick a culture... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)

sorry, we don't cover bullshit mythology in 4th grade where i'm from, too busy with math and science and english. where the hell did you go to school that they covered this shit?

You really are living up to your username.

because my highschool didn't cover horseshit mythology and biblical creation stories? the hell is wrong with your people?

Bronze aged people lived near water. Periodically, almost all sources of water "flood", sometimes catastrophically. Naturally, people who survived a flood tell stories about it.

Occam's razor dictates that the most logical conclusion is many unrelated floods similar to the ones we know exist, not a massive pan global flood that also defies the known laws of conservation of mass, soil erosion and physics.

occams razor apparently does not apply to AT

 

[bsobel]

Occam's razor dictates that the most logical conclusion is many unrelated floods similar to the ones we know exist, not a massive pan global flood that also defies the known laws of conservation of mass, soil erosion and physics.

Actually Occam's razor would find the Indian ocean event the most likely clause, not a series of unrelated events that all were dated to the same approximate time. That event would account for the 40 days/nights of rain as told in the story. Now its' not a flood in the 'the whole worlds water level rose by N feet' but certainly lots of large area flooding would have occurred as that moisture left the atmosphere.

 

[bsobel]

because my highschool didn't cover horseshit mythology and biblical creation stories? because i don't just believe some morons claim that 'every culture ever has a flood story so of course it happened' I would assume tht just about every culture has a flood story, because just about every place where people live has had a flood at some point in its history.

Since I'm the one you called a moron, perhaps you should go back and read my original post. My conclusions on the event are not based on the bible at all, but simply based on the geological record and evidence found in such.

As far as the 'every culture has a flood story'. Go and actually read the stories, they are remarkably close in many cultures (story of a man warned by god, etc). That would suggest they are retelling (the perhaps romanticized version of) the same event, not a series of unrelated events at differing times.

Its not really that hard to see the connection. Indian ocean event causes huge tsunami events events on many coast lines, throws up huge amount of water vapor into the upper atmosphere. Huge rain occurs as a result. People pass down story over and over again until it gets written down. Belief in a physical basis for the story does not imply I believe the 2 animals ark story, just that there was a basis for the overall story.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: So
Good god, look at the poll numbers. I can't believe that so many ATers are retarded.

And we represent a slightly higher then average intelligence within the human population. That's the scary part.

Slightly higher *than* average.

Bigot

I wouldn't say I'm a bigot in any extreme sense but :beer: to you.