The Fox News effect

Strk

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Wouldn't it be nice if cable news stations just covered the news rather than do 24/7 commentary?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Strk
Wouldn't it be nice if cable news stations just covered the news rather than do 24/7 commentary?

Not really. It's bad commentary that's the problem; good commentary is useful. The old 'just cover the news' cry is naive. News needs interpretation.

You won't find the great next plan for how to make the country better in the 'news'. It didn't happen yet.

What's more helpful is for people to learn good commentary from bad, to learn propaganda from truth, to lear the agendas of the people putting out messages.

As America went from a nation with highly concentrated wealthbefore the 20th century to one with a stronger middle class during the 20th century, the people at the top developed an opposition to the middle class agenda, and were interested in how to get more for themselves. From this - and combined with a reaction against the rise of communism, which was itself a backlash against the exploitation of abusive capitalism - was born the right-wing ideology. And it's largely adopted an 'ends justify the means' grab for power.

It's harder to sell a liberal product, which requires effort and learning on the part of the consumer, than a right-wing product that plays on people's bigotry, fear, ignorance.

The right-wing movement has provided a pretty effective propaganda machine with Fox News.

For what it's worth, on the actual quote Hannity got wrong - what's the definition of a 'bad person'? Obama said the politically correct thing, but was he wrong?

Is it 'bad' to choose to help an industry that adds a lot of cost and overhead to medical care, and ultimately prevents available care for many, out of the desire for profit?

It's a little like when FDR said he did not want one millionare to be made from the war, and they investigated - and found - war profiteering.

The term 'bad person' is pretty ambiguous. Are drug dealers 'bad people' for doing what's profitable? Are insurance company execs bad people when they block reforms, spending big bucks on propaganda, that would make healthcare a lot more available to many who don't have it to protect their profit?

It's really a non-issue at the end of the day, it's not about the insurance execs and whether they're bad people, it's about the system and wat it incents and rewards.

What do we as a society want - healthcare for all or not? And are citizens 'bad people' if they are selfish in denying healthcare to the poor?
 

Cuda1447

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Does it seem like the news nowadays is more network vs network hate then actually covering the news? lol.
 

PJABBER

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Wow, just wow, Craig. So many fails in that last post that even Marx and Lenin must be spinning in their graves.

What good is fact if it isn't interpreted to be something else. What good is honesty if it isn't used to lie?

Anyway, up the revolution and all that. Must be nice to be so naive.

A specially large :cookie: for exposing yourself to more criticism.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Wow, just wow, Craig. So many fails in that last post that even Marx and Lenin must be spinning in their graves.

What good is fact if it isn't interpreted to be something else. What good is honesty if it isn't used to lie?

Anyway, up the revolution and all that. Must be nice to be so naive.

A specially large :cookie: for exposing yourself to more criticism.

Yet another of your posts where you throw around big attacks and provide zero actual support for a single one. You posted idiocy.

There's no 'opening' but for idiocy, which needs no door to be held open to show up as long as we have idiots who will spread it.
 

CallMeJoe

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Hannity's specialty is egregiously misinterpreting whatever Democrats say so that he can refute what he claims they said - the classic Strawman argument. All Olberman is showing us is Hannity being Hannity. Where's the News?
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Wow, just wow, Craig. So many fails in that last post that even Marx and Lenin must be spinning in their graves.

What good is fact if it isn't interpreted to be something else. What good is honesty if it isn't used to lie?

Anyway, up the revolution and all that. Must be nice to be so naive.

A specially large :cookie: for exposing yourself to more criticism.

Another great wind has swept by overhead, bringing neither rain to wet our lips or cooling to ease our labor.
 

bfdd

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: VinylxScratches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IalNDTTtk2U

This is why Fox News needs to stop. Why do they spread so much crap around. They lie and lie just to move the right forward but end up going 10 steps backwards.

Wag the dog. They give their audience what it wants,"Good boy, you're the best, good boy!", stroke, stroke.

I really hope that's a troll account of yours and you don't actually believe that non sense in your sig
 

cubby1223

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That's pretty pathetic if that's the worst MSNBC can catch Hannity on :roll:

Every news program makes errors. Every commentary program makes errors. MSNBC makes errors like that too, just that Fox News doesn't stoop so low to fact check them on a daily basis.

The only thing Olbermann is doing is making "the left" angrier at "the right", nothing more. Has he accomplished even a single thing ever with his world's worst segment?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
That's pretty pathetic if that's the worst MSNBC can catch Hannity on :roll:

Every news program makes errors. Every commentary program makes errors. MSNBC makes errors like that too, just that Fox News doesn't stoop so low to fact check them on a daily basis.

The only thing Olbermann is doing is making "the left" angrier at "the right", nothing more. Has he accomplished even a single thing ever with his world's worst segment?

For better or worse, people are oriented to oppose someone. The cold war was demonizing each other, back to our founding fathers Adams and Jefferson opposed each other, before that Washington opposed King George III, and England and France didn't get along all that well.

Your point that the segment 'just makes the left angry at the right' has some truth to it (I'd say it's not entirely accurate in that there's value to being informed of the bad behavior of a major media organization). What 'good' does it really do to get the left all worked up against Fox? It doesn't plant a tree. But people have an interest in it.

But I have to say, if you look beyond the patch of dirt still lacking a tree, there is a broader issue - that there is a power struggle in the country, and this was one small blow against one power holder who uses their power to do bad things. It provides a bit more cohesion for the orgnanization of the anti-right political side. And ultimately the political organizaition has very real effects on the policies enacted.

In short, you are attacking Olbermann for one of his most clearly justified attacks on Fox, over this one specific incident (which is one of many despite your apologies for Fox).

Yes, mistakes get made, but between the clear words from Obama and the Fox history, it's hard to conclude Hannity didn't do this intentionally - he was at least very negligent.

This wasn't innocent - the slip of the tongue, the misunderstood nuance. Alone, it's of limited importance. It's not alone. Search Mediamatters.org for Hannity.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Wow, just wow, Craig. So many fails in that last post that even Marx and Lenin must be spinning in their graves.

What good is fact if it isn't interpreted to be something else. What good is honesty if it isn't used to lie?

Anyway, up the revolution and all that. Must be nice to be so naive.

A specially large :cookie: for exposing yourself to more criticism.

Another great wind has swept by overhead, bringing neither rain to wet our lips or cooling to ease our labor.

That is really good! Did you write that or are you copying someone else's words?
 

PJABBER

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Fox is spanking MSNBC and the other competitors so bad that they are spending all of their time attacking Fox and Limbaugh rather than getting to work producing exposes on the corruption of criminal organizations like ACORN and SEIU. Snap! A couple of kids already scooped them on that! Guess they will have to find their own story to write.

Herr Olbermann is just an old granny going through the change. Either that or he has a massive case of piles and that is affecting his disposition. Of course, he might just have taken on a gastric bypass and it is his discomfort that is showing.

Boooooring.
 

heyheybooboo

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Topic Title: The Fox News effect
Topic Summary: Sean Hannity is a douchebag

Not. Breaking. News.


:laugh:


Hannity: "" I'll tell you who should be tortured and killed at Guantanamo: every filthy Democrat in the U.S. Congress. ""


Classy.








 

moparacer

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OP puts a link of Olbermann up "Busting" Hannity.......Classic.

Like I said the more you haters complain the better FOX ratings will get.

Keep up the good work!

:roll:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Wow, just wow, Craig. So many fails in that last post that even Marx and Lenin must be spinning in their graves.

What good is fact if it isn't interpreted to be something else. What good is honesty if it isn't used to lie?

Anyway, up the revolution and all that. Must be nice to be so naive.

A specially large :cookie: for exposing yourself to more criticism.

You are FAIL and yet you continue to post your epic Fail for all the world to see.
 

Dari

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Sean Hannity's expression at 0:48-0:49 reminds me of the teenage girls in my family. It's difficult to take someone like that seriously. DRAMA KING!!!
 

Patranus

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Hannity must have 'mis-spoke'.....LOL
Then again, the president said unemployment wouldn't go above 8% if congress passed a trillion dollar stimulus package.

Why is Olbermann going after a newscaster who has no power when the president makes bold faced lies or empty promises.

Hmmmm. I wonder why Olbermann's ratings are in the tank....