The forthcoming Windows 7...

[Comdrpopnfresh]

I believe XP was a modified nt/win2000 core, and although it was supposed to be from the ground up, vista was much the same.

So along those lines/relations, what is Win7 based off of?

 

[Raduque]

It's based off Vista.

It's also got nothing to do with Intel's Core i7 - it's the 7th version of the consumer line of Windows (though it's going to report an internal version number of 6.1!)

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Comdrpopnfresh
I believe XP was a modified nt/win2000 core, and although it was supposed to be from the ground up, vista was much the same.

So along those lines/relations, what is Win7 based off of?

Vista.

 

[Snapster]

Vista SP1/Server 2008 core

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Comdrpopnfresh
I believe XP was a modified nt/win2000 core, and although it was supposed to be from the ground up, vista was much the same.

So along those lines/relations, what is Win7 based off of?

There was no Win2000 kernel - it was NT.

Windows XP was built off of the a modified Windows NT kernel - I don't recall anyone saying that it was built from the ground up - it WAS touted as the first consumer level OS to use the NT Kernel though (Win 2000Pro was not originally intended as consumer level).

As for Vista - from what I understand, some of the underlying NT principles were used, but it was largely a completely new kernel written from the ground up.

2008 was built off of the same kernel that Vista uses.

Windows 7 is built off of a more refined version of that very same core from what has been released so far.

-Kevin

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Comdrpopnfresh
I believe XP was a modified nt/win2000 core, and although it was supposed to be from the ground up, vista was much the same.

So along those lines/relations, what is Win7 based off of?

There was no Win2000 kernel - it was NT.

Windows XP was built off of the a modified Windows NT kernel - I don't recall anyone saying that it was built from the ground up - it WAS touted as the first consumer level OS to use the NT Kernel though (Win 2000Pro was not originally intended as consumer level).

As for Vista - from what I understand, some of the underlying NT principles were used, but it was largely a completely new kernel written from the ground up.

2008 was built off of the same kernel that Vista uses.

Windows 7 is built off of a more refined version of that very same core from what has been released so far.

-Kevin

yep, which is why alot of drivers had to be rewritten for vista. I don't think this is going to be the case for windows 7, if we listen to ms.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Comdrpopnfresh
I believe XP was a modified nt/win2000 core, and although it was supposed to be from the ground up, vista was much the same.

So along those lines/relations, what is Win7 based off of?

There was no Win2000 kernel - it was NT.

Windows XP was built off of the a modified Windows NT kernel - I don't recall anyone saying that it was built from the ground up - it WAS touted as the first consumer level OS to use the NT Kernel though (Win 2000Pro was not originally intended as consumer level).

As for Vista - from what I understand, some of the underlying NT principles were used, but it was largely a completely new kernel written from the ground up.

2008 was built off of the same kernel that Vista uses.

Windows 7 is built off of a more refined version of that very same core from what has been released so far.

-Kevin

yep, which is why alot of drivers had to be rewritten for vista. I don't think this is going to be the case for windows 7, if we listen to ms.

There shouldn't be any difference between drivers since it is all the same framework.

A lot of the problem with drivers and Vista is that the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) was completely rewritten (The way and the process that the drivers communicated with the Hardware). This plays a role in why DirectSound is different, why DirectX is different (as in - will NEVER work in XP no matter what)

-Kevin

 

[OoteR02]

Slashdot has some info today on the subject of drivers, seems MS is pleading with manufacturers to start work on their new drivers for 7 now..

 

[bsobel]

\There was no Win2000 kernel - it was NT.

Incorrect, Win2000 kernel was based on NT, but it was not the same as the one released with NT.

Windows XP was built off of the a modified Windows NT kernel - I don't recall anyone saying that it was built from the ground up - it WAS touted as the first consumer level OS to use the NT Kernel though (Win 2000Pro was not originally intended as consumer level).

XPs kernel was based on the Windows 2000 one. Like above, it wasnt the same but was the natural evolution of the prior version.

As for Vista - from what I understand, some of the underlying NT principles were used, but it was largely a completely new kernel written from the ground up.

False. The kernel evolved again, but it was not a largely new kernel. The differences were akin to NT to 2000 or 2000 to XP.

2008 was built off of the same kernel that Vista uses.

True. Just like Windows 2003 server used the same kernel as XP did.

Windows 7 is built off of a more refined version of that very same core from what has been released so far.

Yep

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Windows 7 is Vista once it finally comes out of BETA.

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Windows 7 is built off of a more refined version of that very same core from what has been released so far.

-Kevin

yep, which is why alot of drivers had to be rewritten for vista. I don't think this is going to be the case for windows 7, if we listen to ms.

Someone should inform MS of this, if this is true.

Originally posted by: OoteR02
Slashdot has some info today on the subject of drivers, seems MS is pleading with manufacturers to start work on their new drivers for 7 now..

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: OoteR02
Slashdot has some info today on the subject of drivers, seems MS is pleading with manufacturers to start work on their new drivers for 7 now..

""Microsoft has confirmed that there will be a widespread public beta of Windows 7 in early 2009, while urging device manufacturers to start immediate testing with its pre-beta release to avoid the widespread hardware compatibility problems that contributed so much to the negative perception of Vista. 'There is not another WinHEC planned before Windows 7 is released,' Microsoft has warned them. Better hope that testing goes well."

They arent being asked so much to work on new drivers but to start testing their current ones in case fixes/updates are needed.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Windows 7 is Vista once it finally comes out of BETA.

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Windows 7 is built off of a more refined version of that very same core from what has been released so far.

-Kevin

yep, which is why alot of drivers had to be rewritten for vista. I don't think this is going to be the case for windows 7, if we listen to ms.

Someone should inform MS of this, if this is true.

Originally posted by: OoteR02
Slashdot has some info today on the subject of drivers, seems MS is pleading with manufacturers to start work on their new drivers for 7 now..

When you take off your MS Hate Glasses, you'll realize that Vista is far from Beta right now. Whether or not you want to admit it - Vista is a very solid and very stable OS!

Incorrect, Win2000 kernel was based on NT, but it was not the same as the one released with NT.

It was essentially an updated version of the NT 4 Kernel. I think we are merely arguing semantics right here, because it Windows 2000 was just a modified NT4 kernel.

XPs kernel was based on the Windows 2000 one. Like above, it wasnt the same but was the natural evolution of the prior version.

Yea once again I think we are arguing semantics. At the root, it was still the NT kernel with the 2000 updates and further updates.

False. The kernel evolved again, but it was not a largely new kernel. The differences were akin to NT to 2000 or 2000 to XP.

Well they took large chunks from the NT kernel and it IS still based off of it - there are huge chunks that are completely rewritten from the ground up. Driver interaction via the HAL is revamped. The order in which the OS addresses the software and hardware is revamped to provide more stability etc...

I think we were basically saying the exact same thing just more of an argument of semantics. People call it the 2000, XP, and Vista kernel but they were all, at the roots, the NT kernel.

-Kevin

 

[will889]

IMO W7 will be a very good OS.

 

[KeypoX]

im so excited for win7. I mean it looks awesome. I think i will like the new taskbar (super bar) also we finally get multiple desktops BACK. As we had them in xp with power tools. Everything looks great about it and it does everything vista does.

was just looking at this and wanted to post lol http://www.informationweek.com...23&articleID=211601289
http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/...coming-with-windows-7/


lol i like when you mouse over a window it makes the others go transparent this has been in linux for a while lol. But it never worked that great, as is everything in linux.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: KeypoX
im so excited for win7. I mean it looks awesome. I think i will like the new taskbar (super bar) also we finally get multiple desktops BACK. As we had them in xp with power tools. Everything looks great about it and it does everything vista does.

was just looking at this and wanted to post lol http://www.informationweek.com...23&articleID=211601289
http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/...coming-with-windows-7/


lol i like when you mouse over a window it makes the others go transparent this has been in linux for a while lol. But it never worked that great, as is everything in linux.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if it isn't working great in Linux it is because you don't know how to use it :roll:

Multiple desktops in Windows was horribly horribly implemented. Slow, clunky, and buggy...

-Kevin

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Too lazy to type things up again so I'm reposting something old.

Originally posted by: Rhonda the Sly
Well, it's official, no multi-monitor taskbar support or virtual desktops according to Sinofsky. The taskbar I can live with (I don't have a multi-monitor setup) but not having native virtual desktops sucks.

@LostLogic ? the task bar is going to remain anchored to the primary monitor. We built in a bunch of options to allow it to have ?high capacity? and hopefully that will meet the primary needs. The challenges of spanning monitors or different resolutions, orientations, and visualizing across the monitor boundaries were going to yield too many edge cases we felt. One thing to check out with multiple monitors is how the windowing behavior really streamlines things. Have a look at how when you drag to a second monitor you can easily maximize or dock with one motion. Super cool!

@rlopez ? Several (ok quote a few) have been clear in suggesting that we implement ?virtual desktops? in Windows 7. This is something we decided not to include this time. There are just too many challenges / seams in how this works across third party software that we felt it would not be complete. The right way to address this is to create and evangelize a deeper set of window location/memory APIs that can work across all applications (and be implemented there). The challenge is just in arranging Windows in one space and then accidently having another copy of the program in another space?then you get into the ?last one open decides the space and window location?. So it is not unlike the challenges with multiple monitors, but sort of adds to the complexity. That?s just one complexity. We are definitely aware of the level of requests for this. Please do check out Mark?s Desktops on sysinternals (http://technet.microsoft.com/e...ternals/cc817881.aspx).

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: OoteR02
Slashdot has some info today on the subject of drivers, seems MS is pleading with manufacturers to start work on their new drivers for 7 now..

""Microsoft has confirmed that there will be a widespread public beta of Windows 7 in early 2009, while urging device manufacturers to start immediate testing with its pre-beta release to avoid the widespread hardware compatibility problems that contributed so much to the negative perception of Vista. 'There is not another WinHEC planned before Windows 7 is released,' Microsoft has warned them. Better hope that testing goes well."

They arent being asked so much to work on new drivers but to start testing their current ones in case fixes/updates are needed.

Yeah. If anything, they really want to make sure those sensors and the device stage are supported. Video drivers and the like shouldnt be the issue.

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: KeypoX
im so excited for win7. I mean it looks awesome. I think i will like the new taskbar (super bar) also we finally get multiple desktops BACK. As we had them in xp with power tools. Everything looks great about it and it does everything vista does.

was just looking at this and wanted to post lol http://www.informationweek.com...23&articleID=211601289
http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/...coming-with-windows-7/


lol i like when you mouse over a window it makes the others go transparent this has been in linux for a while lol. But it never worked that great, as is everything in linux.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if it isn't working great in Linux it is because you don't know how to use it :roll:

Multiple desktops in Windows was horribly horribly implemented. Slow, clunky, and buggy...

-Kevin

Well as far as that feature or any of the UI enhancments, dunno if you used them before, are controlled by beryl and/or compiz and now fusion. Some features are buggy at best and there is no knowing how to use it. Its either on or off.

Power tools always worked nicely for me...

sucks win7 wont have multidesktop native.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: KeypoX

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: KeypoX
im so excited for win7. I mean it looks awesome. I think i will like the new taskbar (super bar) also we finally get multiple desktops BACK. As we had them in xp with power tools. Everything looks great about it and it does everything vista does.

was just looking at this and wanted to post lol http://www.informationweek.com...23&articleID=211601289
http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/...coming-with-windows-7/


lol i like when you mouse over a window it makes the others go transparent this has been in linux for a while lol. But it never worked that great, as is everything in linux.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if it isn't working great in Linux it is because you don't know how to use it :roll:

Multiple desktops in Windows was horribly horribly implemented. Slow, clunky, and buggy...

-Kevin

Well as far as that feature or any of the UI enhancments, dunno if you used them before, are controlled by beryl and/or compiz and now fusion. Some features are buggy at best and there is no knowing how to use it. Its either on or off.

Power tools always worked nicely for me...

sucks win7 wont have multidesktop native.

Ok so you basically just proved my point that you don't, in fact, have a clue how to use them. I haven't ran into a single bug with them.

UI Enhancements via power tools (namely multiple workspaces) are, as I said, horribly buggy, clunky, and slow - ask anyone.

-Kevin

 

[tcsenter]

Windows 7 = Vista R2, much like Windows Server 2003 R1 and R2. In fact, the Windows 7 server counterpart apparently will be called Server 2008 R2. lol!

 

[nerp]

The "desktops" power toy for virtual desktops is seriously broken, unless they fixed it recently. My experience with it last month was an experience in frustration. It kept switching back to the main desktop and didn't let me use any of the virtual desktops at all. Same problem on both a Vista 32 and 64 bit machine.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if it isn't working great in Linux it is because you don't know how to use it :roll:

Multiple desktops in Windows was horribly horribly implemented. Slow, clunky, and buggy...

-Kevin

Or he is using the Nvidia binary drivers on Linux. Nvidia changed something in it's drivers the last year or so, making getting your native refresh rate a chore to get right with the newer xservers. It makes Compiz and all the effects very choppy and slow if a person doesn't have the time or the expertise to correct their xorg.conf file to support proper refresh rates.