The First Hammer Board Hits the THG Lab
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Adul
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maybe it still needs some sort of reference clock to multiply by to get to its respective frequency
because i dont think the chips themselves have a clock generator on them or else all chips could be FSB locked and multiplier locked
i could be completely wrong tho
maybe you can overclock the HT too 800MHZ+... because THG said: 'it's "possible"' ... like mr. tom was referring to overclocking. I don't know maybe I should go eat a cucumber. Anyway... 800MHZ IS FREAKIN FAST YEEEHAAAAWWWW... that was the one thing i was worried about: that the hammer wouldnt have a fast enough FSB or HT or whatever. But now i am very happy. 
another thing they need to focus on is leaving lots of room for upgrade.
another thing they need to focus on is leaving lots of room for upgrade.
GTaudiophile
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I'm sorry, but they look whacky!
So, is AMD coming out with its own chipset for Hammer, the AMD8151 with AMD8111 Southbridge? Impressive!
I'm confused. Are the AMD slide sets at Tom's out of date? ...because the data in them relating to product placement and product release dates doesn't seem to agree with yesterday's announcements.
AOpen's high-end consumer boards have vaccuum tubes for the on-board audio amplifier. This Pentium 4 motherboard has "tube sound technology" as well. GT, you are (based on your nick anyway) an audiophile. Do you think there is anything to this "tubes sound better" stuff? I've always thought it sounded about as likely as homeopathy attenuations as a health treatment. An audio signal is an audio signal no matter what does the amplification. About the only possible differentiator is noise from the amplifier, but amplifiers today don't have a lot of noise anyway.
Wow, I want it now. Not sure if I will be a big fan of intergrated sound since we now have the Audigy 2. If the Hammer doesn't have a FSB then what does HyperTransport do exactly?
Adul
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since all those high-end server/workstation boards (hammers) need really good on-board sound
wizdum: irc.teamanandtech.com, #teamanandtech
Hmm, I just notice a nVidia based chipset for the Hammer's. Maybe will have Actual Dual-DDR 400?
Did anyone catch the "Athlon DT" name in one of those slides? It appears as if that is what the Clawhammer will be called.... DT?
Hmmm... To the average moron, "Athlon XP" probably sounds a lot cooler than "Athlon DT". Then again, who cares...it's just a name.
Hmmm... To the average moron, "Athlon XP" probably sounds a lot cooler than "Athlon DT". Then again, who cares...it's just a name.
Oh my gosh that is sooooooooooo funny looololool. Ok anyway..
What is the difference in the Barton core? Just the onboard cache?
A wild guess, but this could indicate DDR memory speeds ... although the 200mhz option is a little off (or maybe it's a sign for DDR400 support
).The pic says HOST CLK, not FSB. Don't confuse that with THG's pseudo translation (for dummies). All synchronous IC devices need a host clock speed to work, Hammer is no different. I guessed that it would be between 100-200MHz a while back, looks like I was right
I've not the faintest idea why THG would be referring to a FSB when the Hammer doesnt HAVE a FSB to speak of. The FSB is the connection between the microprocessor and the memory controller- the memory controller is on-die with the Hammer'.
The roadmaps given were clearly very old and out-dated.
AXP 2600-2800+ are Barton?
The 2700-2800+ are 266MHz FSB? Not to mention according to those roadmap's the 2700-2800 arent due for release until next year.
I'm sure AMD would love to know this, they seem to be under the impression the 2600-2800+ are Throughbred, and already launched.. or perhaps I should say paper launched, while the 2700-2800 are 333MHz FSB parts.
Another error:
They claim the AMD 8111 southbridge only supports USB 1.1, and is therefore outdated--
AMD seems to be under a different impression, as their official spec sheets states USB 2.0 capable.
AMD Spec Sheet
Frankly a few of those mistakes strike me as rather obvious errors that should have been caught, my opinion of Tom's employees remains relatively low. I sincerely wish he would get back to writing his own articles occasionally.
I found this comment interesting:
THG seems to be implying that VIA will not utilize the on-die memory controller, which in the case of the ClawHammer is supposed to be a PC1600-PC2700 capable single channel DDR interface.
VIA would seem to be implementing an external DualChannel DDR interface.... perhaps this is what the mobo references when listing 100-200MHz options?
I've little doubt the ClawHammer would appreciate the extra memory bandwidth, but the latency would assuredly be a considerably order of amgnitude higher as well.
The Opteron/SledgeHammer of course already features the DualChannel DDR interface, but this is supposdly a ClawHammer mobo.
The roadmaps given were clearly very old and out-dated.
AXP 2600-2800+ are Barton?
The 2700-2800+ are 266MHz FSB? Not to mention according to those roadmap's the 2700-2800 arent due for release until next year.
I'm sure AMD would love to know this, they seem to be under the impression the 2600-2800+ are Throughbred, and already launched.. or perhaps I should say paper launched, while the 2700-2800 are 333MHz FSB parts.
Another error:
They claim the AMD 8111 southbridge only supports USB 1.1, and is therefore outdated--
AMD seems to be under a different impression, as their official spec sheets states USB 2.0 capable.
AMD Spec Sheet
Frankly a few of those mistakes strike me as rather obvious errors that should have been caught, my opinion of Tom's employees remains relatively low. I sincerely wish he would get back to writing his own articles occasionally.
I found this comment interesting:
THG seems to be implying that VIA will not utilize the on-die memory controller, which in the case of the ClawHammer is supposed to be a PC1600-PC2700 capable single channel DDR interface.
VIA would seem to be implementing an external DualChannel DDR interface.... perhaps this is what the mobo references when listing 100-200MHz options?
I've little doubt the ClawHammer would appreciate the extra memory bandwidth, but the latency would assuredly be a considerably order of amgnitude higher as well.
The Opteron/SledgeHammer of course already features the DualChannel DDR interface, but this is supposdly a ClawHammer mobo.
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