The fight against McDonald's

[Exterous]

but not for the reasons you would think:

The presence of a 24-hour restaurant will mean (an) increase of littering, vandalism and worse and the leaving of items such as used condoms or broken bottles, meaning children are more likely to be injured or harmed in some way," she said

More than 75 local volunteers have also pitched in, with one academic spending eight weeks wading through three years worth of local newspapers in the state library to tally up incidents of crime purportedly involving McDonald's restaurants.

I knew MickyDs was bad for your health but who knew it was a bastion for criminal activity and combined general sexual promiscuity and littering!

I would be curious to know what the restaurant would look like. They mention aesthetic and traffic considerations made for the local environment but I couldn't find any details on what that actually means

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/28/world/asia/irpt-australia-mcdonalds-protest

 

[cubby1223]

It's always funny to watch people protest a business like this. If the community does not want the business, the business will close down and leave. The people who are protesting, are in effect protesting against their own community.

 

[Oyeve]

Its not as bad as opening a White Castle.

 

[Nintendesert]

Burger King is what attracts the riff-raff! Close those things down. PROOOOTTTEESSSTT!

 

[OutHouse]

lol one would think it was a seedy stripclub by reading that.

 

[mizzou]

McDonalds keeps petty criminals off the street, not by their inviting warm 24hour doors, but by employment.

It's a good thing.

 

[Capt Caveman]

It's always funny to watch people protest a business like this. If the community does not want the business, the business will close down and leave. The people who are protesting, are in effect protesting against their own community.

Yes, b/c nobody from outside the local area would come to visit.

 

[Spungo]

The presence of a 24-hour restaurant will mean (an) increase of littering, vandalism and worse and the leaving of items such as used condoms or broken bottles, meaning children are more likely to be injured or harmed in some way," she said

Is this in Mexico? I worked the 10pm to 6am shift at mcdonalds for a few months and I never saw any of that. There would always be a huge rush of people between 2 and 3 am when the bars were emptying. Drunk people sure like cheeseburgers.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Is this in Mexico? I worked the 10pm to 6am shift at mcdonalds for a few months and I never saw any of that. There would always be a huge rush of people between 2 and 3 am when the bars were emptying. Drunk people sure like cheeseburgers.

It really depends on your location. Some of hte fast food joints I've been to late night were disgusting, not unlike the description in the link. Except, you'll also find used needles.

But, you'll also find these same things at 24x7 retail venue's that aren't fast food...like walmart, gas stations, etc...

 

[cubby1223]

Yes, b/c nobody from outside the local area would come to visit.

Thank you, I forgot all about the gangs of vandalizing, condom dropping no-good-nicks roaming city to city raiding every 24-hour McDonald's

In this particular location, there already are like 10 McDonald's in a 10 mile radius, this restaurant location will largely be supported by the locals.

 

[monovillage]

Wow, a bunch of authoritarian left wing progressives want to restrict private property rights and force their views on everyone else.

Color me surprised.

 

[bshole]

Wow, a bunch of authoritarian left wing progressives want to restrict private property rights and force their views on everyone else.

???? What ???? Did you read the story???

It is about the residents of a small Australian town who don't want a McDonalds franchise and their efforts to prevent it. Its weird that the residents have so little control over what happens in their own town when faced with an outside multi-national corporation. I guess freedom only applies to large multi-nationals not to the little people who have to live with the results.

This is a classic case of NIMBY. The little people will lose, they always do. I don't know why they even bother.

PS. Nothing classes up an area more than garish yellow arches and cheap food don't ya think.

 

[Genx87]

More than 75 local volunteers have also pitched in, with one academic spending eight weeks wading through three years worth of local newspapers in the state library to tally up incidents of crime purportedly involving McDonald's restaurants.

75 people who havent been laid in over 3 years.

 

[DrPizza]

Every once in a while, if it's a nice day, I walk home from school. We have one fast food place in the area: McD's. It's amazing how high a percentage of the litter on the side of the road is from McD's.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Every once in a while, if it's a nice day, I walk home from school. We have one fast food place in the area: McD's. It's amazing how high a percentage of the litter on the side of the road is from McD's.

it is not the store itself; but the poeple that patronize the store that generate the trash.

It could be BK, Wendy's, McDonalds, Taco Bell or anyplace that food is take out.

Litter is because of the customers, not the store itself.

As to the story; many localities will have zoning regulations that restrict what the building can look like and the method of advertisement.

I have seen some stores where the sign outside is less than 6x6 and not lit up. The building looks like a small office building; without the logo you could not tell it was a food stop. The building is set back and protected from the street by vegetation. No arches, etc.

 

[bshole]

But why don't the members of a community get to decide what goes on in their own backyard? Isn't that the essence of freedom? Why is it that the rich and powerful can trample all over the poor and powerless?

Something like this happened in our own community. A rich out of state developer decided he wanted to put in low income housing that was ardently opposed by both the residents and the voters. The wealthy out of state developer, sued and won. So the all the residents got to see their propery values take nice sized hits and the developer made a fortune. The question is how long before the neighborhood is completely destroyed? The outside developer has no interest in the project after taking his profits. The people who actually have to live there have a deep and entrenched interest in the living conditions of their neighborhood.

http://www.newberlinnow.com/news/cninews/126115498.html?page=32

The system is rigged for the wealthy to prey on the rest of us. They should force the developer to live next to the housing he forced down our throats. Do you think this type of housing would ever be allowed in HIS neighborhood?

Freedom should be for everybody, not just those with money, power and lawyers.

 

[monovillage]

???? What ???? Did you read the story???

It is about the residents of a small Australian town who don't want a McDonalds franchise and their efforts to prevent it. Its weird that the residents have so little control over what happens in their own town when faced with an outside multi-national corporation. I guess freedom only applies to large multi-nationals not to the little people who have to live with the results.

This is a classic case of NIMBY. The little people will lose, they always do. I don't know why they even bother.

PS. Nothing classes up an area more than garish yellow arches and cheap food don't ya think.

Yeah I read it and yes it's a story about left wing authoritarians being assholes.

 

[monovillage]

But why don't the members of a community get to decide what goes on in their own backyard? Isn't that the essence of freedom? Why is it that the rich and powerful can trample all over the poor and powerless?

Something like this happened in our own community. A rich out of state developer decided he wanted to put in low income housing that was ardently opposed by both the residents and the voters. The wealthy out of state developer, sued and won. So the all the residents got to see their propery values take nice sized hits and the developer made a fortune. The question is how long before the neighborhood is completely destroyed? The outside developer has no interest in the project after taking his profits. The people who actually have to live there have a deep and entrenched interest in the living conditions of their neighborhood.

http://www.newberlinnow.com/news/cninews/126115498.html?page=32

The system is rigged for the wealthy to prey on the rest of us. They should force the developer to live next to the housing he forced down our throats. Do you think this type of housing would ever be allowed in HIS neighborhood?

Freedom should be for everybody, not just those with money, power and lawyers.

I rest my case.

 

[Spungo]

But why don't the members of a community get to decide what goes on in their own backyard? Isn't that the essence of freedom?

Amen to that. A family of black people tried to move into my neighborhood so we protested by dressing like ghosts. We even went through local news articles to show how many crimes involved black people and how it's reasonable to assume a family we've never met is responsible for those other crimes.

Something like this happened in our own community. A rich out of state developer decided he wanted to put in low income housing that was ardently opposed by both the residents and the voters.

So it's just like my own situation. Hopefully you prevented them there blacks from moving in!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

It would be awful if those peasant workers who have to take buses or travel for miles and miles to staff the restaurants and janitorial crews were allowed to live in the town and contaminate it. They're only welcome to come to New Berlin to work for low wages and few or no benefits, and then at the end of the day, us New Berlin residents want them out of here! Back to your filthy inner-city Milwaukee hovels!

http://expressmilwaukee.com/article-15287-issue-of-the-week:-new-berlin-or-old-mississippi-.html

 

[Spungo]

It would be awful if those peasant workers who have to take buses or travel for miles and miles to staff the restaurants and janitorial crews were allowed to live in the town and contaminate it. They're only welcome to come to New Berlin to work for low wages and few or no benefits, and then at the end of the day, us New Berlin residents want them out of here! Back to your filthy inner-city Milwaukee hovels!

What if you stored the peasants in locked cages and only let them out during work hours? They wouldn't be able to roam the streets and lower property values.

 

[soulcougher73]

Wow, a bunch of authoritarian left wing progressives want to restrict private property rights and force their views on everyone else.

Color me surprised.

Dont let a thing like reading an article get in the way of a good rage.

Rage on bro!

 

[bshole]

Whipper,

I kind of see your point and I kind of dont. You pay out 700K of your money to move into a nice upper middle class community. Some developer throws in low income housing next door and your neighborhood is now filled with people who pay 400 dollars a week for their housing (and have absolutely nothing in common with the existing residents). The value of that land is now worth about half what it was before. Bang, you just lost 350K of equity, representing half of your net assets. That is certainly alot to ask of anybody in the name of "tolerance".

When I was poor, I lived in poor neighborhoods. When I got more money, I moved to better neighborhoods. I EARNED MY WAY INTO A BETTER COMMUNITY. I certainly didn't ask the government to install low cost housing in upscale communities at the point of a gun/lawyer just to make an obscenely wealthy developer even richer.

 

[Exterous]

But why don't the members of a community get to decide what goes on in their own backyard? Isn't that the essence of freedom? Why is it that the rich and powerful can trample all over the poor and powerless?

Yes - why should a community be tied to the laws as upheld by their court system? Why do the courts think they are so special that they get to dictate what is legal when it comes to legal disputes?

As for litter - it seems McDonalds agreed to conduct daily litter patrols within 200 meters of the restaurant. They are also limiting the sign size and illumination

 

[Fern]

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As to the story; many localities will have zoning regulations that restrict what the building can look like and the method of advertisement.

I have seen some stores where the sign outside is less than 6x6 and not lit up. The building looks like a small office building; without the logo you could not tell it was a food stop. The building is set back and protected from the street by vegetation. No arches, etc.

Yep.

We have a McDonalds near me like that. It's in an historic district and the building conforms to that style (and no neon). Inside it has a baby grand piano and a fireplace:

http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/mcdo...4gdIiKrtGpOwGELSU5lhLg#rPEkiCo7zMuPYSEGJ9joCw

I think Hilton Head Island also has a 'fancy' McDonalds to blend in with the surroundings.

Fern