The Fat Epidemic: He Says It's an Illusion

[vitoprimo]

Dr. Jeffrey Friedman.

Cliffs:
Body weight is genetically determined, as tightly regulated as height.
Genes control not only how much you eat but also the metabolic rate at which you burn food.
When it comes to eating, free will is an illusion.

Now where is that box of KrizpyKremes?

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: vitoprimo
[L=Dr. Jeffrey Friedman]Now where is that box of KrizpyKremes?

Right next to the TREADMILL.

>.>

 

[res0n0xg]

id eat him just to prove him wrong

 

[NiKeFiDO]

Originally posted by: res0n0xg
id eat him just to prove him wrong

quite possibly the best reply. evar.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Fishheads, fishheads, rollypolly fishheads.

 

[vi edit]

I'd agree that there are at least *some* people that no matter how little they eat, or how much they exercise, they still will have troubles losing weight and keeping it off.

But that's a minority by far. Most people have wreckess eating habits and don't lift a finger worth of exercise to offset those terrible eating habits.

I think he's just trying to get some attention by promoting a different theory.

I'm not a scientist, and certainly not an expert in the field of obesity. But I think he's seriously burrying his head in the sand on a lot of other statistics.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Tell that to Jared.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: NiKeFiDO

Originally posted by: res0n0xg
id eat him just to prove him wrong

quite possibly the best reply. evar.

:beer:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: vitoprimo
Dr. Jeffrey Friedman.

Cliffs:
Body weight is genetically determined, as tightly regulated as height.
Genes control not only how much you eat but also the metabolic rate at which you burn food.
When it comes to eating, free will is an illusion.

Now where is that box of KrizpyKremes?

In a way, he's right. You cannot control your hunger, therefore for most people, controlling their eating is near impossible.

This is why dieting almost always fails. Especially fad diets with severe calorie restrictions. Your body enters a starvation mode and literally drives you crazy with hunger in an effort to gain back it's fat stores for the next starvation cycle. In fact, I would say a significant portion of the obesity epidemic is CAUSED by fad dieting, Each time you starve yourself thin, your body sets it's fat set-point higher to protect itself from the next starvation cycle. Years of this will turn a pudgy person obese.

What needs to change, and what HAS changed for the worse are our activity levels. So now not only do they eat as much as their body craves, but they don't burn it. AND because our pastimes have become so sedentary in the past 20 years, they have nothing to do but munch while sitting around.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Tell that to Jared.

Jared's diet was not severely calorie restrictive. And a great deal of his weight loss came from exercise. The man walked miles a day and also worked out in a gym.

 

[ruffilb]

basically: What you eat and what you do when you're NOT eating. Not how much you eat...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ruffilb
basically: What you eat and what you do when you're NOT eating. Not how much you eat...

Yeah, pretty much.

Also, sitting around leads to pointless munching. About the only huge change in food in the past 20 years has been the explosive growth of snack foods. Anyone over 30-40 can tell you how much more of the average supermarket is dedicated to snack foods now, compared to 20-30 years ago. It's amazing.

And there is only one thing people do that leads to snacking: Sitting around.

 

[MisterCornell]

It's an optical illusion that half the people i see walking around are lardos.

 

[Hacp]

Hes just saying what the public wants to hear. If your severly overweight, you can't just blame your genetics. You have to blame yourself, as well as the person putting food on the table for you (or who put the food on the table for you when you were little).

 

[Eli]

bwhahaha

he's full of sh!t.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
It's an optical illusion that half the people i see walking around are lardos.

Here we have proof that the Skoorb effect is still in full swing...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli
bwhahaha

he's full of sh!t.

Actually, no he's not. Read what he has to say. This is why diets fail and people end up fatter than ever before. You cannot starve yourself thin. Your body WILL win it's fat back, and put on even more to protect it from the next starvation cycle.

Calorie restrictive diets are the WORST way to lose weight and keep it off.

Instead, he says, the statistics demonstrate clearly that while the very fat are getting fatter, thinner people have remained pretty much the same.

And this is correct. People predisposed to obesity ARE the ones getting fatter and fatter. People not predisposed to it are staying thin while eating the same diets and living the same lifestyles.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: NiKeFiDO

Originally posted by: res0n0xg
id eat him just to prove him wrong

quite possibly the best reply. evar.

not the best but definietly goosemaster-material

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli
bwhahaha

he's full of sh!t.

Actually, no he's not. Read what he has to say. This is why diets fail and people end up fatter than ever before. You cannot starve yourself thin. Your body WILL win it's fat back, and put on even more to protect it from the next starvation cycle.

Calorie restrictive diets are the WORST way to lose weight and keep it off.

bleh, you know what I meant.

I agree with you.

Body weight is genetically determined, as tightly regulated as height.

obviously, this is false.. lol

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli
bwhahaha

he's full of sh!t.

Actually, no he's not. Read what he has to say. This is why diets fail and people end up fatter than ever before. You cannot starve yourself thin. Your body WILL win it's fat back, and put on even more to protect it from the next starvation cycle.

Calorie restrictive diets are the WORST way to lose weight and keep it off.

bleh, you know what I meant.

I agree with you.

Body weight is genetically determined, as tightly regulated as height.

obviously, this is false.. lol

No, it's not. How easy a person gains and keeps weight IS genetic.

What he is saying is there has always been fat and pudgy people. But with our lifestyles as they are now, compounded by constant fad dieting, the people who would have previously been fat or pudgy are now obese and morbidly obese.

 

[vi edit]

Calorie restrictive diets are the WORST way to lose weight and keep it off.

There's a difference between calorie restrictive diets, and restricting your calories.

Yes. Only eating 1200 calories is bad and sends your body into starvation mode.

But so is eating 500 to 1000 calories more than what your body needs. You said so yourself - snacking and general lethargy is what is bloating us up. By not eating all that junk food sh!t by the handful, you ARE restricting calories. And cutting down on that will help on keeping the pounds off.

We have more office jobs than ever before. People are working longer hours than ever before. We have longer commute times than ever before. We watch more TV, sit in front of the computer, and play video games more than ever before.

And while doing those things we guzzle down soft drinks by the gallon. We shovel chips and donuts down our throats by the pound. And we don't do anything to counter act the extra calories.

If you aren't working out, don't cram more down your throat than your body needs. That doesn't mean cutting back to some ridiculous caloric amount. That means eating a modest amount instead of a disgusting amount. And eating better things, which ultimately have less calories in them than "bad" things.

I'm not saying to starve yourself, just not to binge on empty and useless calories. Which is a way of restricting calories.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Calorie restrictive diets are the WORST way to lose weight and keep it off.

There's a difference between calorie restrictive diets, and restricting your calories.

Yes. Only eating 1200 calories is bad and sends your body into starvation mode.

But so is eating 500 to 1000 calories more than what your body needs. You said so yourself - snacking and general lethargy is what is bloating us up. By not eating all that junk food sh!t by the handful, you ARE restricting calories. And cutting down on that will help on keeping the pounds off.

We have more office jobs than ever before. People are working longer hours than ever before. We have longer commute times than ever before. We watch more TV, sit in front of the computer, and play video games more than ever before.

And while doing those things we guzzle down soft drinks by the gallon. We shovel chips and donuts down our throats by the pound. And we don't do anything to counter act the extra calories.

If you aren't working out, don't cram more down your throat than your body needs. That doesn't mean cutting back to some ridiculous caloric amount. That means eating a modest amount instead of a disgusting amount. And eating better things, which ultimately have less calories in them than "bad" things.

I'm not saying to starve yourself, just not to binge on empty and useless calories. Which is a way of restricting calories.

That's the ROOT of the problem: Inactivity.

The body, some more than others through genetics, is a greedy fat storing machine. Through millions of years of evolution, some of us more than others, have fat set points with no limits. This means our bodies will greedily crave calories and store as much fat as possible because THAT is what helped those people's ancestors survive.

The root of ALL evil when it comes to obesity and the basis of the growing epidemic is the simplistic notion that we are all alike, and that just because one person is fat, it MUST be because he is lazy and over glutinous. When, in reality, his body is making him do it.

Some people are genetically predisposed to be pudgy. The key is limiting how fat they become. NOT forcing them to pursue a genetically impossible body by starving themselves.

Hunger is NOT a matter of self control or will power in the long run, any more than breathing is. Yes, just as you can hold your breath for a short while, you can starve yourself thin... for a while. But your body will drive you crazy with hunger and it will, one way or another, get it's fat stores back.

This is why calorie restriction does NOT work. What does work is a total lifestyle change. More active pastimes and FOOD control, not calorie control is the key. Food control is impossible if you're sitting around all day. Again, in the long run, hunger is NOT a matter of self control. Your body WILL win it's war against your vanity.

If you are predisposed to obesity, and aren't working out, or at least pursuing an active lifestyle, you are failing. NO amount of calorie control will help in the long run. Your body WILL get it's fat stores back one way or another. And sitting around all day with an endless supply of food staring them in the face makes any long term success impossible.

 

[Chaotic42]

I'm curious, Amused. What would an average day of eating be for you?

I need to find a way to get in the habit of eating more than once per day and not consuming pure sugar. I've tried and failed at both of those more times than I can count.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I'm curious, Amused. What would an average day of eating be for you?

I need to find a way to get in the habit of eating more than once per day and not consuming pure sugar. I've tried and failed at both of those more times than I can count.

My average day is six meals of between 500 and 800 calories, give or take a few. Higher in carbs in the morning, protein at night. This is when I bulk.

When I cut, a limit the carbs and cut a meal, I also increase the frequency, duration and intensity of my cardio when cutting.

But then, my diet is made for body building. Although I'm not a Nazi about it. I'm very flexible with it.