The fake threat used to justify bombing Syria

Genx87

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Think we would learn. Think the media would get sick of being played by administrations to shape public opinion about war.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...-invented-terror-group-justify-bombing-syria/

What happened here is all-too-familiar. The Obama administration needed propagandistic and legal rationale for bombing yet another predominantly Muslim country. While emotions over the ISIS beheading videos were high, they were not enough to sustain a lengthy new war.

So after spending weeks promoting ISIS as Worse Than Al Qaeda™, they unveiled a new, never-before-heard-of group that was Worse Than ISIS™. Overnight, as the first bombs on Syria fell, the endlessly helpful U.S. media mindlessly circulated the script they were given: this new group was composed of “hardened terrorists,” posed an “imminent” threat to the U.S. homeland, was in the “final stages” of plots to take down U.S. civilian aircraft, and could “launch more-coordinated and larger attacks on the West in the style of the 9/11 attacks from 2001.””

As usual, anonymity was granted to U.S. officials to make these claims. As usual, there was almost no evidence for any of this. Nonetheless, American media outlets — eager, as always, to justify American wars — spewed all of this with very little skepticism. Worse, they did it by pretending that the U.S. government was trying not to talk about all of this — too secret! — but they, as intrepid, digging journalists, managed to unearth it from their courageous “sources.” Once the damage was done, the evidence quickly emerged about what a sham this all was. But, as always with these government/media propaganda campaigns, the truth emerges only when it’s impotent.
 

ivwshane

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All the more reason to rid/revoke the AUMF. Congress needs to start doing it's fucking job.

This "war on terror" has been bullshit from the begging!
 

doubledeluxe

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I predicted this months before the bombs fell. It was incredibly obvious. For months every US media outlet was just going on and on about how bad ISIS was and how big a threat they were. There was even some idiot claiming that ISIS was going to attack us from Mexico. It was nothing but fear mongering. Crazy politicians trying to ratchet up the war machine again.

ISIS has killed like 5000 people. If they were really that big a threat then we would cut off their oil shipments. Right now they're just a rich terrorist organization because we're too stupid to stop them from selling oil on the black market. Rather than stop ships we'd rather drop bombs. Without money they are pretty much screwed. Instead they're the richest terrorist organization in the world. Stop their ships. Stop oil from entering Turkey (one of our allies) and stop with the fear mongering.
 

hal2kilo

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I predicted this months before the bombs fell. It was incredibly obvious. For months every US media outlet was just going on and on about how bad ISIS was and how big a threat they were. There was even some idiot claiming that ISIS was going to attack us from Mexico. It was nothing but fear mongering. Crazy politicians trying to ratchet up the war machine again.

ISIS has killed like 5000 people. If they were really that big a threat then we would cut off their oil shipments. Right now they're just a rich terrorist organization because we're too stupid to stop them from selling oil on the black market. Rather than stop ships we'd rather drop bombs. Without money they are pretty much screwed. Instead they're the richest terrorist organization in the world. Stop their ships. Stop oil from entering Turkey (one of our allies) and stop with the fear mongering.

God damn liberal press.
 

doubledeluxe

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God damn liberal press.

I specifically put the word EVERY in my post to point out that it was not just one side. It was everyone.

Republicans can take the blame for their asinine claim that ISIS was presenting an imminent thread of attack through Mexico.

Democrats can take blame for Obama pulling the trigger.

Happy?
 

lozina

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Think we would learn. Think the media would get sick of being played by administrations to shape public opinion about war.

When it comes to waging wars the media is a dear old friend to the government
 

Uppsala9496

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$$$$$$$

Fairly sure our first real use of the F22 was against ISIS. Gotta justify that expenditure somehow. $700 million dollars per plane. Can't let that go to waste.

why doesn't the article state that then? It just says the truth came out and utterly fails to state what the truth is. Looks like some high school kid's poly sci paper.

I can buy the argument of the industrial machine complex needing to justify their new toys. Can also buy that there was a threat. This "article" however is pointless. Literally.
 

doubledeluxe

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True.

The US has a philosophy that if we are strong militarily we will be strong economically. There is some truth to that. We've obviously gone too far though. We spend so much on the military now that it's just comical.

Consider this. If we reduced the military budget by 10% we would be able to offer free college education in America.

If there ever was a mismanagement of our federal expenditures this is surely it.
 

BoberFett

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Where do you get that $60B figure from? I'm seeing that 21M Americans were enrolled in college in the fall of 2014. That would mean that college costs less than $3,000 per year, and all the whining about the costs of school and how everyone graduates with $150K in loans are all a complete fabrication. I'm seeing stats about $9K per year of in state public universities.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I think the military should be scaled way back. But I prefer speaking in terms of reality.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...d-to-make-public-college-tuition-free/282803/

This article clarifies that the $60B is on top of what is already spent.
 
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doubledeluxe

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Where do you get that $60B figure from? I'm seeing that 21M Americans were enrolled in college in the fall of 2014. That would mean that college costs less than $3,000 per year, and all the whining about the costs of school and how everyone graduates with $150K in loans are all a complete fabrication. I'm seeing stats about $9K per year of in state public universities.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I think the military should be scaled way back. But I prefer speaking in terms of reality.

Was having this discussion recently. First off student loan debts are not that high. The average is like $30,000. Still too high but very few people have 6 figure loans. Lets face it, if you take a loan that high you better be getting a 6 figure job out of college or you're an idiot.

College has gone up about 4x since I graduated. Not that long ago really but tuition has skyrocketed. If you go to a public university in CA today tuition will set you back about $13,000. Not sure on what the average is.

According to the Dept of Education we spend $62.6 billion on tuition. I just looked it up. So I guess everything above is kinda useless.
 

doubledeluxe

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Yeah I don't think the total cost is $60B. I'm saying that if we cut military spending by 10% we get free education.

Calculating the total cost is probably far more complex than what I'm presenting here. You could factor in housing and subsidies, grants, scholarships, and more. However the bottom line is that if we cut the military budget nobody would have to pay tuition.
 

BoberFett

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Yeah I don't think the total cost is $60B. I'm saying that if we cut military spending by 10% we get free education.

Calculating the total cost is probably far more complex than what I'm presenting here. You could factor in housing and subsidies, grants, scholarships, and more. However the bottom line is that if we cut the military budget nobody would have to pay tuition.

I'm for cutting the military, but still not necessarily for eliminating tuition.
 

doubledeluxe

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I did most of my college education in the US but that was before these massive tuition spikes. At this point I'm for eliminating them since I really don't want to have to pay $20,000 a semester by the time my kids are ready to go.

I did study in Europe where it was free. There's something to be said about that. I still had to live at home, I still ate Ramen, but I wasn't burdened by the high costs of education. The education was free and they gave you a stipend that was just large enough to pay for your books.

I'm not a big subscriber of putting people deep in debt before they even start working.

Imagine living in a country where a college education cost everyone over $100,000 a year. No thank you.

http://www.finaid.org/calculators/scripts/costprojector.cgi

Plug in the numbers. Add 18 years and put in what your local 4 year public university costs. My total ends up being just shy of $200,000.
 

hal2kilo

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When it comes to waging wars the media is a dear old friend to the government

What is so sad about it is except for a couple networks they aren't doing it for politcal reasons. They are wanting to play who's the best cheerleader for ratings. Welcome to dumbing of america by mass media.
 

JEDIYoda

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onsider this. If we reduced the military budget by 10% we would be able to offer free college education in America.
hahahahaaa...yeah right....hahahahaa
What about feeding the hungry here in our own country......or helping the homeless??

Who gives a flying crap about free college education when it comes to the homeless and hungry>???
 
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hahahahaaa...yeah right....hahahahaa
What about feeding the hungry here in our own country......or helping the homeless??

Who gives a flying crap about free college education when it comes to the homeless and hungry>???

A good education is a pretty good step for people to take to get out of/not fall in to being homeless/hungry.

This is something that you already know. Why act like a dick over the concept?
 

Pipeline 1010

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A good education is a pretty good step for people to take to get out of/not fall in to being homeless/hungry.

This is something that you already know. Why act like a dick over the concept?

Perhaps he LIKES the government having the role of permanent benevolent provider? The concept of people not needing government and being self sufficient is one of the worst fears that certain people have.
 

gevorg

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