The "Face" of the organization behind the "Mohammed" film.

JKing106

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And... he's a white supremacist nutjob who trains like-minded gun loving paramilitary nutjobs for the coming war with Muslim sleeper cells. Why am I not surprised?

"Klein founded Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques, and started Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, which preaches against Muslims and publishes volumes of anti-Muslim propaganda that Klein distributes. He also has helped train paramilitary militias at the church of Kaweah near Three Rivers, about an hour southeast of Fresno, to prepare for what they believe is a coming holy war with Muslim sleeper cells, according to the law center.

"It's extreme, ugly, violent rhetoric and the fact that he's involved in that weapons training at that church, when you combine things like weapons training with hatred of a people, that's very concerning to us. Those are the kind of things that lead to hate crimes," said Heidi Beirich, director of the center's Intelligence Project."

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"Klein said he recognized parallels between what he saw in Vietnam, where he says he infiltrated Viet Cong cells, and "Muslim sleeper cells" he began finding after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. He visits mosques and confronts young Muslim men who "dress up like Osama bin Laden and Yasser Arafat."

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""I'm kind of an unsophisticated James Bond operative. I want to piss this guy off, I want to find out, Why does he want to kill me?" he said. "Why does he want to capture my daughter and granddaughter and rape them? Why does this guy want to act this way?

That work indirectly led him to his affiliation with Nakoula, an Egyptian Christian living outside Los Angeles, who contacted him about making an anti-Muslim movie.

Klein reviewed the script and then the man disappeared, only to resurface months later with a complete film ready to show at a movie theater in Hollywood.

The filmmaker's idea was to give the film a title that would draw in "hardcore Muslims" and then trick them into watching a movie that bashed Islam in the hopes that they would give up their faith, Klein said."

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/steve-klein-innocence-of-muslims-producer_n_1882595.html

Reads like a bad Stallone movie, doesn't it?
 

Atreus21

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Yeah. No wonder terrorists use this as a pretext to kill people. I mean, if people made movies bashing Christ, Lord knows there'd be extremist Christians out there killing people.
 

jackstar7

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Yeah. No wonder terrorists use this as a pretext to kill people. I mean, if people made movies bashing Christ, Lord knows there'd be extremist Christians out there killing people.

Molotov cocktails were thrown into a theater showing Last Temptation of Christ. Several were burned and injured.

So yeah... has already happened.
 

Jaskalas

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Perhaps it is not a film that shows the face of Islam, but the folks on the streets. The anger, the rage, the murder of innocent people.
 

Budmantom

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The interesting thing is that leftists on this forum blame the filmmaker and not the killers, this is Obama's America, this is today's Dimocratic party and this is the party of tolerance.
 

Atreus21

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Late 80's.

My point is that this is not an exclusively Muslim reaction to feeling provoked by a movie.

Then I'd be interested to ask those who blame the filmmaker for this reaction:

Who is to blame for those molotovs thrown? The Christian fundamentalists or Martin Scorsese?
 

jackstar7

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Then I'd be interested to ask those who blame the filmmaker for this reaction:

Who is to blame for those molotovs thrown? The Christian fundamentalists or Martin Scorsese?

Does intent matter?


Also, let's please be clear, this guy is no Scorsese. He's closer to Tommy Wiseau.
 
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rudder

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Molotov cocktails were thrown into a theater showing Last Temptation of Christ. Several were burned and injured.

So yeah... has already happened.

What year did that movie come out? really... no group is without their fringe nutjobs... but can you compare these two events? For every molotov cocktail thrown by a Christian nutjob at a movie which came out 20 years ago... I can probably link thousands of stories of attacks by Muslims on Christians...most for none other than simply being christian in a predominately muslim country. Just look at the persecutions of coptic christians in Egypt. Killings on this scale are not done without government involvement.

Hell even the president of Egypt wants to sue the film makers.

So we know.. the film was meant to piss of muslims....made and released by an extremist group... color me shocked.
 

bfdd

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Shit movie was shit, I pay it no attention because the production quality is terrible, the story is terrible and the dialogue blows.
 

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The interesting thing is that leftists on this forum blame the filmmaker and not the killers, this is Obama's America, this is today's Dimocratic party and this is the party of tolerance.

This. But it's only groups that they have sympathy with that can act this way. The OWS crowd was treated with a fair bit of sympathy too.
 

jackstar7

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Yeah. No wonder terrorists use this as a pretext to kill people. I mean, if people made movies bashing Christ, Lord knows there'd be extremist Christians out there killing people.

What year did that movie come out? really... no group is without their fringe nutjobs... but can you compare these two events? For every molotov cocktail thrown by a Christian nutjob at a movie which came out 20 years ago... I can probably link thousands of stories of attacks by Muslims on Christians...most for none other than simply being christian in a predominately muslim country. Just look at the persecutions of coptic christians in Egypt. Killings on this scale are not done without government involvement.

Hell even the president of Egypt wants to sue the film makers.

So we know.. the film was meant to piss of muslims....made and released by an extremist group... color me shocked.

So I answered Atreus's post with an actual event. You respond to me by saying you can "probably link" a bunch of irrelevant stories.

Why were you responding to me?
 

bfdd

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Jackstar you are making incredibly weak arguments in this thread. Btw I too find it funny that so many are taking the rapists side in this case, I mean what was she thinking wearing all that provocative clothing?



Lol ooops i forgot we're talking about the embassy attacks
 

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LOL!

Look how long it took the MSM to find out just about all there is to know about this fool and his "movie". The MSM are still NOT even trying to find out about obama and his travels, friends and school records.

This is not an attempt at a derail of this thread. I just thought it was interesting.

I shall now remove myself from this thread.
 
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Atreus21

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Does intent matter?


Also, let's please be clear, this guy is no Scorsese. He's closer to Tommy Wiseau.

I'm not talking about intent. I'm talking about who is to blame for violent acts.

It seems that when radical Islam reacts to an asshole making a nasty movie, the fault lies with the asshole. Is radical Christianity afforded the same courtesy?

If they are, they shouldn't be, and neither should radical Islam.
 

jackstar7

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Jackstar you are making incredibly weak arguments in this thread. Btw I too find it funny that so many are taking the rapists side in this case, I mean what was she thinking wearing all that provocative clothing?

Lol ooops i forgot we're talking about the embassy attacks

What?

I don't think the attacks were warranted. I think the people responsible are to blame and should face charges for their criminal acts. And I'm not talking about the people who made the movie, though what their purpose was... I really can't imagine.


BUT some people have a cultural bias that says "MY kind of people would never do this!" Except they have.

I can't tolerate the false superiority bullshit.
 

rudder

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So I answered Atreus's post with an actual event. You respond to me by saying you can "probably link" a bunch of irrelevant stories.

Why were you responding to me?

You are right.. I should not have responded. You are simply to ignorant to understand the difference between one event 20+ years ago (carried out by far-right extremists by the way) versus widespread religious fueled violence in the muslim world.
 

jackstar7

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I'm not talking about intent. I'm talking about who is to blame for violent acts.

It seems that when radical Islam reacts to an asshole making a nasty movie, the fault lies with the asshole. Is radical Christianity afforded the same courtesy?

If they are, they shouldn't be, and neither should radical Islam.

Again, the perpetrators of the violence are the criminals here. I'm not disagreeing with that, nor, do I think, would any rational thinking person.

But the intent of the movie and the backers of it is worth investigating and understanding. They did this with a purpose of some kind. What the hell was it?
 

jackstar7

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You are right.. I should not have responded. You are simply to ignorant to understand the difference between one event 20+ years ago (carried out by far-right extremists by the way) versus widespread religious fueled violence in the muslim world.

Great. As long as you know you're pretty smart and I'm totally dumb.
 

bfdd

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What?

I don't think the attacks were warranted. I think the people responsible are to blame and should face charges for their criminal acts. And I'm not talking about the people who made the movie, though what their purpose was... I really can't imagine.


BUT some people have a cultural bias that says "MY kind of people would never do this!" Except they have.

I can't tolerate the false superiority bullshit.
The second part of that sentence wasn't actually directed at you I should have split it I apologize for the confusion. I was just making a general statement of the free speech haters. Though I do find your arguments weak. Organized protests like this, ones that turn violent, happen on the regular. Christians in the West doing shit like this is the abnormal, it's not expected, we would consider it statistical error. Also, I believe all peoples suck and that everyone in the entire world is an asshole, self included. I have no delusions about humans.