The EU and Turkey have struck deal to start talks

[MegaWorks]

EU and Turkey advance on talks

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union and Turkey have struck deal to start talks next year on admitting the vast Muslim nation to the bloc after overcoming last minute haggling over Ankara's relationship with Cyprus.

The 25 EU leaders agreed to open membership negotiations with Turkey on October 3, 2005, but in a nod to deeply sceptical public opinion in much of western Europe they said talks would be open-ended with no guaranteed outcome.

The landmark deal, which could change the face of Europe and Turkey in coming decades, came after hours of wrangling between Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan and Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, the summit chairman, mainly over Cyprus.

"We have been writing history today," Balkenende told a news conference. "Turkey has accepted the hand we offered to them."

Prime Minister Tony Blair, one of Turkey's strongest allies, said offering the large Muslim democracy the prospect of EU membership was a signal to the Islamic world:

"It shows that those who believe there is some fundamental clash in civilisations between Christian and Muslim are actually wrong, that we can work together and we can cooperate together."

Erdogan said Turkey had undergone a "silent revolution" in meeting EU demands for political and economic reform and its membership, after at least a further decade of negotiations and transformation, could only strengthen the bloc.

"We believe that the EU should become a power which would really contribute to world peace," Erdogan said. "Democracy and human rights are the common desire of all humanity."

The EU also agreed on Friday to invite Bulgaria and Romania to join in 2007, taking its membership to 27 nations, and to open entry talks with Croatia next March.

Some good news

 

[Turkish]

There are obviously two ways of building or strengthening a democracy in this world. The American one, and what the Europeans and Turkish should start working on now. The significance of Turkey's integration is well beyond Europe itself.

 

[Aimster]

Turkey should def. be allowed to enter the EU. I don't see why it shouldn't.

Plua France and Turkey all have something in common. No Headscarfs allowed in government buildings. 🙂

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Turkey should def. be allowed to enter the EU. I don't see why it shouldn't.

Many in Europe feel that the people of Turkey are inferior. It will be tough to change these people's views into a 21st century outlook. 60% of Germans wants Turkey to be a second-class EU member, they're too inferior to be seen as equals.

 

[maddogchen]

I don't think the EU will ever really agree on letting Turkey in. I think the main reason the EU does not really want Turkey to join because of the fear of widespread Muslim immigration into the EU from Turkey. The article talks about the fear of a mass influx of cheap workers from the Muslim immigration. I think in the end nothing will come to pass of these talks. The EU will probably set unfair requirements that are too high for Turkey to reach.

 

[Cobalt]

I wonder how Greece feels.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
Turkey should def. be allowed to enter the EU. I don't see why it shouldn't.

Many in Europe feel that the people of Turkey are inferior. It will be tough to change these people's views into a 21st century outlook. 60% of Germans wants Turkey to be a second-class EU member, they're too inferior to be seen as equals.

more then 50% of Americans think that Mulsims in the USA doesn't deserve the same right as non Muslim

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
Turkey should def. be allowed to enter the EU. I don't see why it shouldn't.

Many in Europe feel that the people of Turkey are inferior. It will be tough to change these people's views into a 21st century outlook. 60% of Germans wants Turkey to be a second-class EU member, they're too inferior to be seen as equals.

more then 50% of Americans think that Mulsims in the USA doesn't deserve the same right as non Muslim

Not only are you most likely lying, but what's the point of bringing that up in a discussion about Turkey and the EU (take that flag off your head)? Please provide a link.

If you honestly think that the country that didn't even allow people of 'inferior' ethnicities to become citizens until recently would allow Turkey as a 'citizen' of the EU, you're crazy. Only 15% of Germans even want Turkey in the EU with full membership rights. I don't suspect other EU countries to have much larger support among the population. Turkey and its people are viewed as inferior by most in Europe. This 17th century attitude needs to be corrected.

 

[biostud]

While I definately support Turkey entereing EU there are LOTS of work to do. Turky will be the poorest country in EU and their infastructure and public sector is close to medieval compaired to some of the EU countries. But they have very high growth rates which will lessen these things...........Nnot speaking about a reform of the funds that support devolopment of the poorest regions and the agricultural funds. This is not only needed because of Turkey joining, but if they join a reform most have taken place. Or more likely Turkey will get a "special" status and not recieve much from these funds.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: The Boss
There are obviously two ways of building or strengthening a democracy in this world. The American one, and what the Europeans and Turkish should start working on now. The significance of Turkey's integration is well beyond Europe itself.

Utterly incomporable. Turkey is not a festering pool of filth that would do well to receive the business end of a nuke, like so many of the other squalid pitts of hell in the middle east.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: The Boss
There are obviously two ways of building or strengthening a democracy in this world. The American one, and what the Europeans and Turkish should start working on now. The significance of Turkey's integration is well beyond Europe itself.

Utterly incomporable. Turkey is not a festering pool of filth that would do well to receive the business end of a nuke, like so many of the other squalid pitts of hell in the middle east.

Yeah, Turkey have a fairly well functioning democracy.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
Turkey should def. be allowed to enter the EU. I don't see why it shouldn't.

Many in Europe feel that the people of Turkey are inferior. It will be tough to change these people's views into a 21st century outlook. 60% of Germans wants Turkey to be a second-class EU member, they're too inferior to be seen as equals.

more then 50% of Americans think that Mulsims in the USA doesn't deserve the same right as non Muslim

Not only are you most likely lying, but what's the point of bringing that up in a discussion about Turkey and the EU (take that flag off your head)? Please provide a link.

If you honestly think that the country that didn't even allow people of 'inferior' ethnicities to become citizens until recently would allow Turkey as a 'citizen' of the EU, you're crazy. Only 15% of Germans even want Turkey in the EU with full membership rights. I don't suspect other EU countries to have much larger support among the population. Turkey and its people are viewed as inferior by most in Europe. This 17th century attitude needs to be corrected.

LOL

you are screaming about "racist Europe" in every thread you can. There was one about the neutrality of Switzerland and your post was about the "racist Europeans". If there is one troll it sure is you!!!

and here is the link you wanted


MSNBC

Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim-Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

the only extreme-nationalist on this forum is you my friend
you thread crap all the time -
some examples

US government moves to deport Demjanjuk

When he gets deported, I think that he'll probably become a German political superstar -> Canoworms implying that Germans are NAZIs.

Poll shows U.S. views on Muslim-Americans

Like I said, this is the country (Germany) that wants to put people in a concentration camp in the Libyan desert and eradicate them.

holt sh!t!!! legal age of consent is 12 in holland???

They'd do anything to try to increase their domestic birth rate so that they won't have to rely on immigration! I believe next will be forced pregnancies for 4 year olds and 89 year olds, and human-canine hybrids.

How is switzerland able to stay neutral in every war?

They house refugees in their underground military bunkers nowadays as a symbol to other refugees to not come to Switzerland.

so can you explain why you were thread crapping your usuall stuff in threads that had nothing to do with racism or even Europe???

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

EDIT: and you take that flag from your head you extremist wacko

 

[RabidMongoose]

I doubt that most European people would even want Turkey in the EU. They probably see it as poor, too different in culture, and are 'afraid' of the thought of many Muslims/Turks 'invading' their countries.

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

Let me get this right - you're complaining about something that you admit that you are at least partially doing?

 

[miketheidiot]

Turkey needs to clear up its horrible human rights record.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I doubt that most European people would even want Turkey in the EU. They probably see it as poor, too different in culture, and are 'afraid' of the thought of many Muslims/Turks 'invading' their countries.

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

Let me get this right - you're complaining about something that you admit that you are at least partially doing?

nope he's accusing me of thread crapping and I'm just pointing out that he's the biggest thread crapper
of all


it was a 5 minute search to find his posts, there are the tip of the iceberg

is he thread crapping - YES or NO

simple question, simple answer

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I doubt that most European people would even want Turkey in the EU. They probably see it as poor, too different in culture, and are 'afraid' of the thought of many Muslims/Turks 'invading' their countries.

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

Let me get this right - you're complaining about something that you admit that you are at least partially doing?

nope he's accusing me of thread crapping and I'm just pointing out that he's the biggest thread crapper
of all


it was a 5 minute search to find his posts, there are the tip of the iceberg

is he thread crapping - YES or NO

simple question, simple answer

I looked at some of those threads, but not all of them thoroughly. I would say no.

BTW, you are guilty of the exact same accusations that you are crying about. You used to always bring up France vs. the US type arguments against people out of the blue. You did it to me in some of my very first posts in P&N. And now you seem to be doing a similar thing again and then you're complaining about it. That's pretty strange.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
Turkey should def. be allowed to enter the EU. I don't see why it shouldn't.

Many in Europe feel that the people of Turkey are inferior. It will be tough to change these people's views into a 21st century outlook. 60% of Germans wants Turkey to be a second-class EU member, they're too inferior to be seen as equals.

more then 50% of Americans think that Mulsims in the USA doesn't deserve the same right as non Muslim

Not only are you most likely lying, but what's the point of bringing that up in a discussion about Turkey and the EU (take that flag off your head)? Please provide a link.

If you honestly think that the country that didn't even allow people of 'inferior' ethnicities to become citizens until recently would allow Turkey as a 'citizen' of the EU, you're crazy. Only 15% of Germans even want Turkey in the EU with full membership rights. I don't suspect other EU countries to have much larger support among the population. Turkey and its people are viewed as inferior by most in Europe. This 17th century attitude needs to be corrected.

LOL

you are screaming about "racist Europe" in every thread you can. There was one about the neutrality of Switzerland and your post was about the "racist Europeans". If there is one troll it sure is you!!!

No, I don't.

and here is the link you wanted


MSNBC

Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim-Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

That poll doesn't even reflect what you said. Plus, you should read the actual report to understand it, but you probably won't take this advice since I should probably just go to my "home" country instead and not attempt to correct you. Again, I'd like a link that refers to what you actually stated.

the only extreme-nationalist on this forum is you my friend
you thread crap all the time -
some examples

US government moves to deport Demjanjuk

When he gets deported, I think that he'll probably become a German political superstar -> Canoworms implying that Germans are NAZIs.

Poll shows U.S. views on Muslim-Americans

Like I said, this is the country (Germany) that wants to put people in a concentration camp in the Libyan desert and eradicate them.

holt sh!t!!! legal age of consent is 12 in holland???

They'd do anything to try to increase their domestic birth rate so that they won't have to rely on immigration! I believe next will be forced pregnancies for 4 year olds and 89 year olds, and human-canine hybrids.

How is switzerland able to stay neutral in every war?

They house refugees in their underground military bunkers nowadays as a symbol to other refugees to not come to Switzerland.

so can you explain why you were thread crapping your usuall stuff in threads that had nothing to do with racism or even Europe???

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

EDIT: and you take that flag from your head you extremist wacko

Most of those posts were related to the topic or post being discussed, unlike what you posted. LOL, I like how you even selected a joke post.

Take that flag off your head.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I doubt that most European people would even want Turkey in the EU. They probably see it as poor, too different in culture, and are 'afraid' of the thought of many Muslims/Turks 'invading' their countries.

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

Let me get this right - you're complaining about something that you admit that you are at least partially doing?

nope he's accusing me of thread crapping and I'm just pointing out that he's the biggest thread crapper
of all


it was a 5 minute search to find his posts, there are the tip of the iceberg

is he thread crapping - YES or NO

simple question, simple answer

I'm not accusing you of thread crapping. I'm accusing you of being ultra-supremacist-nationalistic.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I doubt that most European people would even want Turkey in the EU. They probably see it as poor, too different in culture, and are 'afraid' of the thought of many Muslims/Turks 'invading' their countries.

Some of the newer countries in the EU were poor, corrupt, etc. and they invited them in. The key difference is their ethnicity, religion, and culture are generally different. In the current atmosphere of discrimination, xenophobia, etc. in Europe, that's going to be hard to overcome.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Aimster
Turkey should def. be allowed to enter the EU. I don't see why it shouldn't.

Many in Europe feel that the people of Turkey are inferior. It will be tough to change these people's views into a 21st century outlook. 60% of Germans wants Turkey to be a second-class EU member, they're too inferior to be seen as equals.

more then 50% of Americans think that Mulsims in the USA doesn't deserve the same right as non Muslim

Not only are you most likely lying, but what's the point of bringing that up in a discussion about Turkey and the EU (take that flag off your head)? Please provide a link.

If you honestly think that the country that didn't even allow people of 'inferior' ethnicities to become citizens until recently would allow Turkey as a 'citizen' of the EU, you're crazy. Only 15% of Germans even want Turkey in the EU with full membership rights. I don't suspect other EU countries to have much larger support among the population. Turkey and its people are viewed as inferior by most in Europe. This 17th century attitude needs to be corrected.

LOL

you are screaming about "racist Europe" in every thread you can. There was one about the neutrality of Switzerland and your post was about the "racist Europeans". If there is one troll it sure is you!!!

No, I don't.

and here is the link you wanted


MSNBC

Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim-Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

That poll doesn't even reflect what you said. Plus, you should read the actual report to understand it, but you probably won't take this advice since I should probably just go to my "home" country instead and not attempt to correct you. Again, I'd like a link that refers to what you actually stated.

the only extreme-nationalist on this forum is you my friend
you thread crap all the time -
some examples

US government moves to deport Demjanjuk

When he gets deported, I think that he'll probably become a German political superstar -> Canoworms implying that Germans are NAZIs.

Poll shows U.S. views on Muslim-Americans

Like I said, this is the country (Germany) that wants to put people in a concentration camp in the Libyan desert and eradicate them.

holt sh!t!!! legal age of consent is 12 in holland???

They'd do anything to try to increase their domestic birth rate so that they won't have to rely on immigration! I believe next will be forced pregnancies for 4 year olds and 89 year olds, and human-canine hybrids.

How is switzerland able to stay neutral in every war?

They house refugees in their underground military bunkers nowadays as a symbol to other refugees to not come to Switzerland.

so can you explain why you were thread crapping your usuall stuff in threads that had nothing to do with racism or even Europe???

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

EDIT: and you take that flag from your head you extremist wacko

Most of those posts were related to the topic or post being discussed, unlike what you posted. LOL, I like how you even selected a joke post.

Take that flag off your head.

yeah right , it's always a "joke" when you post stuff like that, that's your only defense

you've been exposed as being an obsessive wacko, not only by be me but also by other (American) members
keep posting your drivel so that more and more people can see what a nutjob you are
:thumbsup:

good night

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I doubt that most European people would even want Turkey in the EU. They probably see it as poor, too different in culture, and are 'afraid' of the thought of many Muslims/Turks 'invading' their countries.

the mods should ban you for doing this all the time!!!

Let me get this right - you're complaining about something that you admit that you are at least partially doing?

nope he's accusing me of thread crapping and I'm just pointing out that he's the biggest thread crapper
of all


it was a 5 minute search to find his posts, there are the tip of the iceberg

is he thread crapping - YES or NO

simple question, simple answer

I looked at some of those threads, but not all of them thoroughly. I would say no.

BTW, you are guilty of the exact same accusations that you are crying about. You used to always bring up France vs. the US type arguments against people out of the blue. You did it to me in some of my very first posts in P&N. And now you seem to be doing a similar thing again and then you're complaining about it. That's pretty strange.

LOL

so his remarks are not offensive thread crapping,
he's posting drivel about refugees in bunkers in a thread that discusses tne neutrality policy of Switserland
and you think that is normal

you are also showing your true colours,

nice one :thumbsup:

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

yeah right , it's always a "joke" when you post stuff like that, that's your only defense

you've been exposed as being an obsessive wacko, not only be me but also by other (American) members
keep posting your drivel so that more and more people can see what a nutjob you are
:thumbsup:

good night

It's obviously a joke. Not my fault that you have no sense of humor or personality.

Well you've been exposed as a fundamentalist/extremist, especially when you spouted off ethnicity-based insults at me. Of course I'd be seen as a nutjob within your crowd.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

LOL

so his remarks are not offensive thread crapping,
he's posting drivel about refugees in bunkers in a thread that discusses tne neutrality policy of Switserland
and you think that is normal

you are also showing your true colours,

nice one :thumbsup:

Seems to be ok with me. People were talking about their old military bunkers that they have.

I think it shows that you're showing your true colors. You consider someone giving light to such a topic drivel. Hmmm.. I wonder why...

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

yeah right , it's always a "joke" when you post stuff like that, that's your only defense

you've been exposed as being an obsessive wacko, not only be me but also by other (American) members
keep posting your drivel so that more and more people can see what a nutjob you are
:thumbsup:

good night

It's obviously a joke. Not my fault that you have no sense of humor or personality.

Well you've been exposed as a fundamentalist/extremist, especially when you spouted off ethnicity-based insults at me. Of course I'd be seen as a nutjob within your crowd.

show me the ethnicity-based insults - please PM the mods about it, I'm sure they would sanction this kind of behavior

FACT: I neverd insulted you and I asked multiple times for prove but you never delivered (as always)

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I doubt that most European people would even want Turkey in the EU. They probably see it as poor, too different in culture, and are 'afraid' of the thought of many Muslims/Turks 'invading' their countries.

Some of the newer countries in the EU were poor, corrupt, etc. and they invited them in. The key difference is their ethnicity, religion, and culture are generally different. In the current atmosphere of discrimination, xenophobia, etc. in Europe, that's going to be hard to overcome.

No, the differnce is that Turkey is even more behind and have a population around 80 mio people and there must be some large reforms of the EU before it can run financially. I'm not denying that lots of people are aginst Turkey joining, but since they have ~10 years to getting custom to the idea I think it will change. Imagine if you in US allowed free movement of workforce from all of Latin America and Mexico. My guess is that it wouldn't be very popular.