The Escalation Begins...

tedthebear

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:Q Another missile was reported to have hit the Kabul office of a United Nations (news - web sites)-funded demining group, a crucial project in one of the world's most heavily mined countries, killing four men who worked there.

With U.S. warplanes returning home to their bases, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami (news - web sites) called for an immediate end to the strikes. ``Thousands of people should not be killed under the pretext of fighting terrorism, and innocent and oppressed people should not be sacrificed to aggression,'' he said.
 

rudder

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``Thousands of people should not be killed under the pretext of fighting terrorism, and innocent and oppressed people should not be sacrificed to aggression,'' he said.

pretext of fighting terrorism? What the hell would the U.S. want with that sh!t hole of a country anyway? The iranians can kiss my butt.
 

Aves

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<< ``Thousands of people should not be killed under the pretext of fighting terrorism, and innocent and oppressed people should not be sacrificed to aggression,'' he said. >>

I guess he thinks we should leave and just let the Taliban kill the Afghan people.
 

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Not to take away from the incident that invoked the comment, but I hardly think Iran has any room to talk over there.
 

FettsBabe

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I'm really pissed off today, so I'm not in the mood to hear Iran's "demands." They can kiss my sweet American Ass! As for the workers, it is sad :( but there are deaths in war and there will be more to come. If Iran wants to talk Demands tell them to call the TALIBAN jerkoff's and tell them to relinquish themselves to us as well as turn over Bin Laden for treating people unhumanitarily.

Since they won't back the big boys, they need to stay the hell on the porch. Nuff Said.

Now I'm going to go finish eating my salad. :|
 

spaceman

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I think its time we turn an eye towards iran........those bastards are getting too big for thier britches.
 

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<< I think its time we turn an eye towards iran........those bastards are getting too big for thier britches. >>



Why? Iran has becmoe more and more pro-west over the recent years. They actively oppose the Taleban. And Iran DID have valid reasons for being pissed at USA in the past. Didn't you actively support the Shah? A dictator? Didn't you shoot down a Iranian airliner full of innocent civilians?
 

beatniks3

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i like the title of this thread...and for all you expressing rage, please remember that this rage is being produced by the assembly-line of the mass media (which is a powerful weapon that both sides may use..). I think this 'war' is going to get rapidly out of hand before it gets any better...but I have to hope that we all come to our senses before this point...but I would probably get flamed if I suggested that we question all the decesions of our policital leaders so I won't!
 

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<< think this 'war' is going to get rapidly out of hand before it gets any better >>



Repent!.......the end is near..................
 

MichaelD

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Piggybacking on Fettsbabe's post; WAR IS NOT PRETTY. A simple, but true, statement. There will be collateral damage. No, it's not right, but WAR IS NOT pretty. I'd say the families of all those poor people in the WTC and Pentagon would agree with me. If four guys were digging a hole (or whatever) and they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, then God will take that into consideration, but it's not like we're carpet bombing the place. Sheeeeeeesh.

I read a quote in yesterdays paper (don't remember who said it) but it was some big 'ol Liberal, tree hugging person. She said "We need to learn to differentiate between legitimate military targets and innocent civilians" or words to that effect. Cryin' out loud, it's this exact way of thinking that messes everything up. We are at war, people. We are doing the best we can to try to feed the millions of people that have been left to starve by the Taliban, but sometimes, people die during war.

Call it barbaric (heck, call it whatever you like, I don't care) but I believe it was General MacArthur who said "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other bastard die for his." Diplomacy and touchy-feely goes out the window, in my book, in times of war. And this be war.
 
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Iran statement doesn't indicate escalation. A demand without a consequences shouldn't be interpretted as anything other than an opinion.

Iran is probably just trying to appease internal factions that are sympathic to some part of Afganistans people.
 

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Seems to me that US Defense officials would have warned the UN to notify their support folk in Afghanistan that air strikes were on the way. Especially a UN building located right next to a Taliban transmission tower. Anyway, many civilians are killed by stray anti-aircraft fire. Most regretable, but unavoidable in war. :(

As for Iran's comments...predictable.
 

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I think we should consider the oppisite approach to the whole situation, we pull every last American military person back to the states, all the forward-deployed ships... back here, troops in "Allied" countries... back here, all of em, let the rest of the world fend for itself. It would take a revamping of how we p!ss away energy and gas, but otherwise we can easily sustain ourselves. I'm tired of listening to the little babies who cry about how we shouldn't be bombing, they shouldn't have run a f*cking airplane into a skyscraper... twice... we should be helping the refugees... F*ck them too, if it's not my responsibility to police the third world, it's sure as hell not my responsibility to feed it.

Every time one of those little, crappy countries wants help, we send it, getting your @ss kicked by the sh!thead nation to the north? Call the US, they'll come and fight your war for you. Earthquake? US will send you aid, money, and bulldozers to dig your @ss out. Your entire communist government collapse in a heap of suddenly-post-war rubble? Borrow $5,000,000,000 from the US, pay it back, nah don't worry about it, you can owe us until the end of time....

We always help, f*cking always, and I'm tired of hearing how messed up the government is for defending this nation.

I spent 10 years in the military, I got shot in the Gulf, I got shot at in Somalia, and now I see these college babies who are getting educations paid for by daddy cry about how war is unfair. Well guess what chump, life isn't fair either, no matter what you try to make it.

I tell ya something else, I can't imagine how the people coming back from Vietnam felt, the sh!t they must have gone through over there, and then to come back to the BS from the college babies and peace freaks, I don't know why more of them didn't/don't go over the edge and start wacking people!


I feel better now, had to vent, but damn it, this pisses me off.

The people who live across the street from my parents actually are planning on moving to Canada now since the war is going, they don't want their 18 yo son to go in the Army. What the f*ck? I did time, there's no draft, they didn't mind sending their 3 kids to school on the taxes I had to pay while I was in the service, not even living in my home state, not getting any say in the new taxes these clowns had the nerve to ask for to pay for the same schools. I went to these schools, I got a crap education, I had to take so many basic classes to get to the college level it was pathetic.

Had to vent more....

But if that doesn't strike you as a mess of crap, then I propose you either re-think your citizenship status (as in get out of here, we don't need you working against the people who know what freedom is and are willing to fight for it.)


OK, I think I'm done now. Sorry about the vent, but, well, it's annoying reading posts from people who are clueless.
 

beatniks3

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<< I'm tired of listening to the little babies who cry about how we shouldn't be bombing, they shouldn't have run a f*cking airplane into a skyscraper... twice >>





<< now I see these college babies who are getting educations paid for by daddy cry about how war is unfair. Well guess what chump, life isn't fair either, no matter what you try to make it. >>





<< the sh!t they must have gone through over there, and then to come back to the BS from the college babies and peace freaks >>





<< But if that doesn't strike you as a mess of crap, then I propose you either re-think your citizenship status (as in get out of here, we don't need you working against the people who know what freedom is and are willing to fight for it.) >>



talk about venting...college baby must have stole his girl or something ;)...but seriously, wasn't it the protesting and public's condemnation of vietnam that helped to end it? I think it is pretty unAmerican to tell someone how to think or feel about anything, but I won't be re-thinking my citizenship anytime soon because I know the rights that I am afforded by it...you want to try and take these rights away?
 

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<< but seriously, wasn't it the protesting and public's condemnation of vietnam that helped to end it? >>


LOL! Let's put that into correct context........it LOST the war for the US! The US military knows it as does the Vietnamese! We got there because of someone elses mess and lost the support of the people because it didn't end quickly!
 

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bugsysiegel

Now tell us what you really think.;)

I'm a Viet Nam vet. i was spit upon at San Fransisco airport when I came home for R/R and had my wallet lifted at the same time. I do not think any soldier since has ever felt the humiliation I did about my countrymen as at that moment. It did not stop my resolve though. And todays wankers that protest aren't even worth my time to bitch about it.



beatniks3

I do not think protestors had anything to do with the end of the Viet Nam war. There where circumstances much greater than Hanoi Jane. Further,do not equate this action with the Viet Nam war. The North Vietnamese did not invade our country and kill 6000 innocent people,whose only sin was going to work on 9/11. But by damned some arab expatriot did along with a bunch of rag tag neerso wells hoodwinked into believing Osama and funded by rouge states such as Iran,Iraq, Pakistan and heroin trade.

I cannot imagine anyone not being pissed that we have been drawn into war. I can not imagine why anyone would protest us fighting for our freedom,the very freedom the protestors use as their soupbox.
 

beatniks3

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<< LOL! Let's put that into correct context........it LOST the war for the US >>

...lost/ended...means the same thing in this argument but sorry if I didn't make that clear...

Triple shot wrote:
And todays wankers that protest aren't even worth my time to bitch about it I agree with you completely, just as I would agree with you that the actions of the 'hippis' that spat on you and stole your money were terrible and unamerican but I can't understand why you singled me out: Further,do not equate this action with the Viet Nam war. It was bugsysiegel that started the comparision.

 

Lucky

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<< but seriously, wasn't it the protesting and public's condemnation of vietnam that helped to end it? >>


LOL! Let's put that into correct context........it LOST the war for the US! The US military knows it as does the Vietnamese! We got there because of someone elses mess and lost the support of the people because it didn't end quickly!
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Almost.

I think Americans lost support for the war precisely because it took too long, because we were losing 500 kids a day, and because it was "someone else's mess". Protesters didnt make us lose the war; we protested because we were losing.


 

tedthebear

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:Q Wow. What a response to this thread. If this were Afghanistan we wouldn't be allowed to post all these different opinions. I hope we don't lose sight of this fact: every opinion is important in America. That's why America IS GREAT.

We know the Islamic extremists over there think the WTC is pay back for the million(?) civilian casualties due to our smart bombs in Iraq. Now our pay back for the WTC will kill even more...when will it ever end? Not in a perfect world? What about in an annihilated one?

I definately think we must use military force to attack the nations who are supporting these terrorists. That includes Iran in my book. But I think it's dangerous to say God is behind us 100%. We make mistakes. No, we shouldn't have downed that Iranian airliner. No, we shouldn't have supported the corrupt Shah. We probably shouldn't always side with Israel...and on and on. So, lots of people over there don't like us because of this.
But we're the biggest and the best, so like in WW II, we have to draw the line in the sand. Bummer, but someone has to do it OR ELSE, we won't be able to post Off Topic threads.
 

etech

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beatniks3 but seriously, wasn't it the protesting and public's condemnation of vietnam that helped to end it?

No, there was an article by one of the Viet Cong generals that said they would have quit fighting earlier if it wasn't for the support they were recieving from the protests in the United States. In effect those protestors cost the lives of many an American soldier and also of the South Vietnamese that died when the north took over and slaughtered them.

bugsysiegel
Rant any time you want to, you've earned the right.

Yes, I sometimes also wish the US could go isolationist for a few years but the cost of picking up the pieces of the rest of the world make it prohibitivive.


MichaelDbut I believe it was General MacArthur who said "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other bastard die for his.

Never, ever confuse a quote of General Patton with MacArthur. That's just wrong. :disgust:

Patton
 

Russ

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<< They can kiss my sweet American Ass! >>



FettsBabe,

Forgive me the thought that popped in to my head.:D



<< I think Americans lost support for the war precisely because it took too long >>



And, it drug on as long as it did due in large part to the peaceniks out protesting in the streets. The enemy saw this as a sign of weakness, used it in their own propaganda and continued the fight because of it.

Russ, NCNE