The endless LCD question

DWTheWhiteness

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Ok, so I have spent probably over 30 hours collectively researching, trying to find my perfect LCD. I am in the process of receiving the parts for my new build in the mail (i7 920, GTX 260 SLI) and am wanting to at least come to a decision pretty soon, if at all possible. However, it seems in a lot of my searching, that any articles or forums that offer any GOOD relevant information for any LCD are all back from sometime in 2007. I know technology HAS to have progresses in the past 2 years, and so now I turn to you, the experts, who are a little more up to date.

To begin with, I currently own a 61" DLP HDTV. I am selling it off, as I will be moving into a college dorm this Fall and obviously won't have room for such a behemoth. As such, I have decided that I want to get one, big, GOOD monitor. I plan to use this monitor interchangeably with my new PC, Xbox 360, and PS3, all from a single, space-efficient computer desk. More or less a TV replacement. My budget is somewhere in the neighborhood of $1000, possibly a bit more if quality beckons.

Here are my "ideal" requirements:
1) At LEAST 26 inches. I'm stepping down from 61" and that's hard enough, I'm not going down to a 24". I would even be willing to spring for a 30" 2560x1600 LCD if I can find one that doesn't have Input Lag From Hell.
2) Low input lag. 15ms or less. Low response time goes hand in hand with this, more or less. I very much enjoy my Guitar Hero and Rock Band, along with FPS's.
3) S-IPS, H-IPS, or S-PVA panel. I know that S-PVA's have been rising in popularity lately, what with color/bleeding issues with many IPS panels. I would like to avoid TN panels, if at all possible.
4) Decent color and contrast would be nice, as would deep-ish blacks and non-horrendous backlight bleeding and angles.
5) I'm going to be playing my Xbox and PS3 on this thing, so that knocks the 3007-WFP, along with many others without scalers and ability to portray non-native resolutions, out of the equation unfortunately. There has to be some kind of scaler SOMEWHERE in the world that won't introduce 2-3 frames of lag.
6) All I really need is a DVI input. I don't need speakers. If it has component or HDMI inputs, that's cool I suppose, but I'm not really concerned about it.

I think that's about it... I'm currently looking at the Planar PX2611W, as it seems to be the only monitor that comes even close to filling all these requirements. I was practically drooling over the Dell 3008-WFP, until I found out about it's ungodly lag. Any other monitor that starts to look good ends up having 30+ms of input lag, or is completely unable to display game consoles. As you can see, I plan to use this primarily for gaming, but as it is my TV-replacement, I'll be watching movies and doing homework and everything on it too.

Thanks for all the help, everyone. Rest assured, I have done plenty of research, but most of it seems completely outdated, and I have a hard time believing that all the technological problems plaguing the LCD's of 2007 have not been addressed by now, in some degree. If anyone knows of any newer/fixed monitors that can fit the bill, please let me know. Thanks again!

P.S. Please don't point me to Anandtech's LCD sticky thread. I've looked at it extensively, and it didn't help.
 

WaitingForNehalem

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Originally posted by: DWTheWhiteness
I know technology HAS to have progresses in the past 2 years, and so now I turn to you, the experts, who are a little more up to date.

The sad part is it hasn't. That monitor doesn't really exist. Currently, I'm looking forward to true 120hz monitors. There are only two out but they are only 22" and 1680x1050, which is too large of a dot pitch.
 

nestlewater

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ONLY BUY OVER 500-600 dollars 24inch, Don't worry about lag. Everything under 600 has shitty color because of TN.

Poor People: I don't need excuses from you, This is fact.

The 30" 25x16 monitors are fine in input lag department. MOST of the "ms" specs are bullshit, you have to go by reviews.

If you have the cash you will never regret getting the 3008wfp, I have a 3007wfp, and NEVER ever looked back. Breathtaking resolution.
 

DWTheWhiteness

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I DID really want to get the 3007 for a while, but then found out it doesn't have the ability to display game consoles, so that ruined it for me.

And I haven't been basing any input lag assumption's off of any MS's, (they don't even publish input lag as a spec, as far as I've seen), but every review I've read of the 3008 says that there are horrendous input lag issues. Then if you go to digitualversus.com and look where they compare LCD's to a CRT for input lag, the 3008 has an average of 46.6 ms, where most normal people say they can start noticing it substantially at around 30-35 ms. Even non-review type sites keep saying how people were bringing the 3008 back in waves because of its terrible lag, supposedly introduced by the video scaler. The only place I've found that swears there is no lag is Prad.de's review. And 1 review vs. 6+ other reviews and dozens of customer opinions doesn't give me much hope...
 

nestlewater

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Originally posted by: DWTheWhiteness
I DID really want to get the 3007 for a while, but then found out it doesn't have the ability to display game consoles, so that ruined it for me.

And I haven't been basing any input lag assumption's off of any MS's, (they don't even publish input lag as a spec, as far as I've seen), but every review I've read of the 3008 says that there are horrendous input lag issues. Then if you go to digitualversus.com and look where they compare LCD's to a CRT for input lag, the 3008 has an average of 46.6 ms, where most normal people say they can start noticing it substantially at around 30-35 ms. Even non-review type sites keep saying how people were bringing the 3008 back in waves because of its terrible lag, supposedly introduced by the video scaler. The only place I've found that swears there is no lag is Prad.de's review. And 1 review vs. 6+ other reviews and dozens of customer opinions doesn't give me much hope...

Hmm.. The scalar introduces lag perhaps. I'm pretty sure however that the graphic card has an option for scaling and if the signal is 25x16 native, it would bypass the scalar on the DL-DVI. As for game consoles, unless you're an avid player of Rhythm games "Without" delay calibration support Guitar Hero/rockband has this support, or 2D Fighting games, You will NOT notice or CARE about 2-3 frames (33-50ms) delay.