The End of the Private Sector

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http://weeklystandard.com/Util...cle=15846&R=13CE22CB58


We're beginning to get a sense of what the next four years will look like. It won't be a conservative era, that's for sure. Nor will it, despite appearances to the contrary, be a reprise of the Clinton era. Bill Clinton's version of economic liberalism meant slightly higher tax rates on income and capital, a slightly more burdensome regulatory apparatus, lower deficits, and a commitment to free trade. The public sector didn't meddle too much in the private sector. It was content, for the most part, to sit back and enjoy the tax revenue that the tech boom poured in.

Obama's liberalism will be different. The center of political gravity has moved to the left since the 1990s. The president-elect does not share his recent predecessors' enthusiasm for free trade. He also won't face a Republican Congress. Instead he'll be dealing with, and from time to time confronting, a Democratic Congress eager to enact a kilometers-long liberal wish list.

What's more, the global economy is entering a severe downturn. Tax receipts are going to plummet, which means the deficit will skyrocket. And the cash-strapped government isn't about to sit still. Earlier this year Washington spent $150 billion in economic stimulus. That seems to have had little effect, so there is considerable political pressure for--what else?--more stimulus. We will foot the bill.

There is no guarantee that this crisis will remain only economic. At home, an ineffective or incompetent government risks populist backlash. Abroad, prolonged recessions have a way of spilling over into the national security arena. In the 1990s, a global boom masked the harsh realities of a dangerous world. That's no longer the case.

Meanwhile, President-elect Obama will run a government that is heavily entangled in the formerly private sector. President Bush has already overseen the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well as the American International Group. The Federal Reserve has poured billions into the commercial paper and other debt markets. The federal government now owns shares of the nation's largest financial institutions. And with hundreds of billions yet to be spent, industry after industry is lining up at the trough.

Bush authorized these interventions in order to prevent a systemic collapse of global finance. Banks are the economy's circulatory system. They allow the marketplace to function. This is why Bush is reluctant to bail out the Detroit auto companies. In his view, such a bailout would interfere with the creative destruction natural to the marketplace.

But the Democrats see things differently. For them, TARP is a backdoor through which they can manage the economy in accordance with liberal nostrums. Senate Democrats like Christopher Dodd and Charles Schumer want to set compensation rates and loan criteria for the banks that have accepted federal money. They want to overrule the boards and shareholders who normally determine CEO salary and bonuses. They want to force financial institutions to lend to consumers who may not be able to repay the debt. This, even though loan defaults are what got us into trouble in the first place.

In January, when the heads of GM, Chrysler, and Ford return to Washington on their corporate jets, Democrats in Congress and President Obama will be more than happy to give them money. But, like the Godfather, the Democrats will ask Detroit for a favor in return. That favor may be boardroom seats, preferred stock, or strict regulations governing what type of cars Detroit can make, how they make them, and at what price they sell them. Instead of one CEO, GM will have as many as 535. Does anyone seriously believe that this will improve the company's fortunes?

Most of the interventions in the economy were meant to be short-term. But government programs have this nasty habit of confounding their designers' intentions. Rather than untangle the government from the housing, financial, and automobile sectors, Obama looks likely to strengthen the connection. He wants to do the same to the health care and energy industries. His labor allies look forward to the day when he signs legislation eliminating the secret ballot in union elections and insulating American companies from global competition. His green friends hold their tire-pressure gauges at the ready, waiting for Obama to regulate carbon dioxide as an air pollutant. And the tax collectors can't wait for 2010, when the Bush tax cuts expire and Democrats hike rates on high earners.

Whatever this is, it's neither conservative nor Clintonite. It really is a change from the last 25 years of public policy--a quarter century that happens to have seen the longest sustained economic expansion in history. The boom is over. And the new era does not bode well for American prosperity.


20 years from now, people will fondly remember these last 25 years when their labor and efforts were actually rewarded. Hopefully we can see this age again someday.
 

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We're beginning to get a sense of what the next four years will look like.
Honest to Christ I did not read beyond there. Don't you ever get tired of spamming P&N with your completely insane partisanship?
 
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WTF is up with these nonsense Obama threads? He hasn't even been sworn in. Jesus Christ! Give him some actual time in office before you fly off the handle... :roll:
 

brencat

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Total overreaction from the Weekly Standard. No way the American people will tolerate the 'oppressive' conditions they highlight in this article. There would be a backlash like you wouldn't believe. I'm a conservative Republican but this is just fear mongering IMO.
 

Steeplerot

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The past 25 years of record expansion? For who? The rich? The workers wages have stagnated and the middle class is in decline.
It is time to get back to reasonable liberal polices that BUILT the middle class and once and for all bury the trickle down free market voodoo nonsense along with Reagan and his legacy of anti-worker pro-corporation nonsense.
Good riddance to the right-wing failures. But then common sense would tell you, why would you trust someone who hates government to handle it responsibly? They have padded their good old boy friends pockets with corruption then point at govt being the problem laughing at conservatives all the way to the bank.
Time for workers to vote their own best interests, not pipe dreams of hoping you can be rich.
We have big problems in this country, and if need be it will take big aspects of government to solve them.
Don't let the door hit you guys on the way out if you are going to be bitter and partisan about losing, it is your own faults for buying into this nonsense.
And for all the "fiscally conservative" "libertarians" good luck reclaiming a party you never had. Goldwater and his philosophy were never anything but a curiosity in the Republican party, and never mainstream, Reagan gave it lip service, but grew a inefficient, corrupt, criminal government more then any Dem dreamed of.
With all due respect for my right-wing friends, you have been scammed, the time has come to wake up, get realistic and quit buying into their games or you can just keep wondering why you feel you have no party that represents you.
 

Harvey

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Loozar111's reality check just bounced. Now, he's posting links from the future. :laugh:

The Sector Formerly Known as Private
How Obama intends to use corporations to effect social change.
by Matthew Continetti
12/01/2008, Volume 014, Issue 11
 

microbial

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
WTF is up with these nonsense Obama threads? He hasn't even been sworn in. Jesus Christ! Give him some actual time in office before you fly off the handle... :roll:

According to this NYTimes opinion, Bush/Cheney (Cheney first!) should resign immeadiately so as to accelerate Obama's tenure--and get working on fixing what;s broken.

:laugh:
 

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It wouldn't surprise me if winnar111 were to say the last 7+ years of the Bush Administration was a better era for America than the 8 years of the Clinton Administration. Keep in mind that a little under 23% or Americans think that Bush did a good job and since Anandtech is a microcosm of society he just might be one of the 23%
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It wouldn't surprise me if winnar111 were to say the last 7+ years of the Bush Administration was a better era for America than the 8 years of the Clinton Administration. Keep in mind that a little under 23% or Americans think that Bush did a good job and since Anandtech is a microcosm of society he just might be one of the 23%

Seems there are a few "backwashers" here. (Bonus points if anyone remembers that Colbert skit in front of Bush where he was describing the few die-hard Pro-Bush partisans left)
 

sandorski

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So many Strawmen, so little fact. One thing that the article states though that should answer one question: "Change".
 

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Originally posted by: sandorski
So many Strawmen, so little fact. One thing that the article states though that should answer one question: "Change".

The one change I look forward to is people like the OP leaving this country.

I hope everything they fear most comes true and they get out of here as quickly as possible.
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: sandorski
So many Strawmen, so little fact. One thing that the article states though that should answer one question: "Change".

The one change I look forward to is people like the OP leaving this country.

I hope everything they fear most comes true and they get out of here as quickly as possible.

You're just as bad as the OP with your deranged attitude to those that differ from you in their opinions on how things should be run.

I hope I don't live to see a day where society has turned into the homogeneous mix of people just like you.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It wouldn't surprise me if winnar111 were to say the last 7+ years of the Bush Administration was a better era for America than the 8 years of the Clinton Administration. Keep in mind that a little under 23% or Americans think that Bush did a good job and since Anandtech is a microcosm of society he just might be one of the 23%

Don't worry.

Just wait for fundamental Islam to generate a crisis as they attack our weakened nation due to our wimpy soon to be Commander in Chief. That 23% will skyrocket.

The Clinton years were kinda meh, but I remember Jimmy Carter.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: winnar111

Don't worry.

Just wait for fundamental Islam to generate a crisis as they attack our weakened nation due to our wimpy soon to be Commander in Chief. That 23% will skyrocket.

The Clinton years were kinda meh, but I remember Jimmy Carter.

You'll leave though right?

Wouldn't want you to have to endure living in such a "weakened nation".
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111

Don't worry.

Just wait for fundamental Islam to generate a crisis as they attack our weakened nation due to our wimpy soon to be Commander in Chief. That 23% will skyrocket.

The Clinton years were kinda meh, but I remember Jimmy Carter.

You'll leave though right?

Wouldn't want you to have to endure living in such a "weakened nation".

I suppose I already have, from 1993 to 2001.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
We're beginning to get a sense of what the next four years will look like.
Honest to Christ I did not read beyond there. Don't you ever get tired of spamming P&N with your completely insane partisanship?

No, he really does not. Especially since he has already been slapped around with the fact that liberal presidents have presided over greater economic success than conservatives since 1888. But that won't stop the little tike! Poor guy has nothing better to do on a Saturday night. :laugh:
 

dawp

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Why don't we just ignore winnar and maybe he'll go away. I sometimes wonder if he really believes what he posts.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
We're beginning to get a sense of what the next four years will look like.
Honest to Christ I did not read beyond there. Don't you ever get tired of spamming P&N with your completely insane partisanship?

I'm guessing ... no?

What do i win?
 
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
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Better learn to speak Russian while your at it. *this is sarcasm*

 

Gand1

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at least Butternuts rantings were funnay.........



wonder where he went........
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
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Better learn to speak Russian while your at it. *this is sarcasm*

I speak fluent Polish, Russian, German and spanish...besides engrish.....