The end of the Age of America

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nublikescake

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IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

Commentary: China’s economy will surpass the U.S. in 2016
By Brett Arends, MarketWatch


BOSTON (MarketWatch) — The International Monetary Fund has just dropped a bombshell, and nobody noticed.
For the first time, the international organization has set a date for the moment when the “Age of America” will end and the U.S. economy will be overtaken by that of China.

IMF sees China topping U.S. in 2016

According to the latest IMF official forecasts, China's economy will surpass that of America in real terms in 2016 — just five years from now. Brett Arends looks at the implications for the U.S. dollar and the Treasury market.

And it’s a lot closer than you may think.
According to the latest IMF official forecasts, China’s economy will surpass that of America in real terms in 2016 — just five years from now.
Put that in your calendar.
It provides a painful context for the budget wrangling taking place in Washington right now. It raises enormous questions about what the international security system is going to look like in just a handful of years. And it casts a deepening cloud over both the U.S. dollar and the giant Treasury market, which have been propped up for decades by their privileged status as the liabilities of the world’s hegemonic power.

According to the IMF forecast, which was quietly posted on the Fund’s website just two weeks ago, whoever is elected U.S. president next year — Obama? Mitt Romney? Donald Trump? — will be the last to preside over the world’s largest economy.
Most people aren’t prepared for this. They aren’t even aware it’s that close. Listen to experts of various stripes, and they will tell you this moment is decades away. The most bearish will put the figure in the mid-2020s.

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China’s economy will be the world’s largest within five years or so.
But they’re miscounting. They’re only comparing the gross domestic products of the two countries using current exchange rates.
That’s a largely meaningless comparison in real terms. Exchange rates change quickly. And China’s exchange rates are phony. China artificially undervalues its currency, the renminbi, through massive intervention in the markets.
The comparison that really matters

In addition to comparing the two countries based on exchange rates, the IMF analysis also looked to the true, real-terms picture of the economies using “purchasing power parities.” That compares what people earn and spend in real terms in their domestic economies.
Under PPP, the Chinese economy will expand from $11.2 trillion this year to $19 trillion in 2016. Meanwhile the size of the U.S. economy will rise from $15.2 trillion to $18.8 trillion. That would take America’s share of the world output down to 17.7%, the lowest in modern times. China’s would reach 18%, and rising.
Just 10 years ago, the U.S. economy was three times the size of China’s.
Naturally, all forecasts are fallible. Time and chance happen to them all. The actual date when China surpasses the U.S. might come even earlier than the IMF predicts, or somewhat later. If the great Chinese juggernaut blows a tire, as a growing number fear it might, it could even delay things by several years. But the outcome is scarcely in doubt.

This is more than a statistical story. It is the end of the Age of America. As a bond strategist in Europe told me two weeks ago, “We are witnessing the end of America’s economic hegemony.”
We have lived in a world dominated by the U.S. for so long that there is no longer anyone alive who remembers anything else. America overtook Great Britain as the world’s leading economic power in the 1890s and never looked back.
And both those countries live under very similar rules of constitutional government, respect for civil liberties and the rights of property. China has none of those. The Age of China will feel very different.

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Outsourcing coming home to roost? So what does this mean for the layman? Should I convert my cash from dollars to something else? Will we see substantial, sudden changes or is it just fear-mongering?

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destrekor

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History will always repeat itself, and nobody is safe from the historical trends.

No country stands atop the world forever. Hell, in terms beyond economy, China will also likely surpass the U.S. (military strength and expenditure, political influence, cultural influence, etc).
The theory of hegemonic power basically paints the story and, even scarier, the U.S. economy falling against China's is, take a moment here, right on time according to the theory.
Most likely, China will assuredly become the true hegemon within the next few decades unless something particularly nasty happens on the world stage and we get a chance to build ourselves up at an alarming rate again.

Each true hegemon tends to stand around for a little over a century, sometimes a little longer... but not often could you really say one country was on top of the world for more than a few centuries.
It was a little less clear a few centuries ago, since most of the world ignored half the globe, and conflict was all over imperialistic control of territory hundreds if not thousands of miles away from the actual power in question.

The concept of a superpower, a sole country on top of the world, is fairly new - so the hegemonic power theory might need some adjustment. But while I hoped the country of which I am a citizen would remain a top superpower the entire time I am alive, I never expected it. I also hope such power shifts will wait to happen until I am almost dead, if not put on hold forever :)D hopeful thinking, but I already admitted that)... but again, I also expect it to happen relatively soon. :(
Hopefully it can be a peaceful transition. Also, maybe, just maybe, some radicals will do some crazy shit and demand true freedoms in China.
Their ripe for their own little civil war of sorts - hopefully it'll happen and that'll knock them back a little bit. ;)
 

lxskllr

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I think it's great. Maybe we can start being a normal country instead of the world's cops, and bankers. I have to figure out what I'm gonna do with all the extra money that won't be given to the rest of the world. I predict a 60% tax reduction due to the lessened burden. Who's with me?

:^S
 

shortylickens

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I always thought it would be when the illegals take over...... I mean....... when we hand it over to them gladly.
 

quackagator

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I think it's great. Maybe we can start being a normal country instead of the world's cops, and bankers. I have to figure out what I'm gonna do with all the extra money that won't be given to the rest of the world. I predict a 60% tax reduction due to the lessened burden. Who's with me?

:^S

Me
 
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