The economy is STILL growing!!!!!!!!!! What happened to the recession???

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SleepWalkerX

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
WASHINGTON - Personal incomes plunged in July while consumer spending slowed significantly as the impact of billions of dollars in government rebate checks began to wane.

So much for the "stimulus" plan. Oh well. The party was fun for two or three months, but the hangover of an increased national debt is going to suck.

People are actually spending their money more wisely. Isn't the statistic like 20% of the money from the economic stimulus went to spending while most of it went to savings or paying off debts?

It seems like the free ride on the credit train is ending..
 

nakedfrog

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Hm, by "gas prices are down" do you in fact mean "gas prices are up"? Because that's what I'm seeing.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You know that most figures are core inflation which exclude the prices of food, fuel, and energy?


I mean, youve taken 100 level economics right?

The prices of food have doubled (unless you want to eat little debbies and frozen pizza, those have remained stable enough at the grocery store to hide the enormous spike in real food costs) fuel almost tripled, and energy is sharply up across the board over the last few years.

Still today core inflation trails real inflation by a factor of 2.

Funny how you can hide the bad statistics if you think your audience wont catch it :thumbsdown:

GDP is indexed to real inflation, not core. They release total inflation figures at the same time they release core.

Perhaps you're the one who should be hitting the books again.

LOL, you honestly believe that inflation was 1.3% last quarter?

Have you been outside?
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You know that most figures are core inflation which exclude the prices of food, fuel, and energy?


I mean, youve taken 100 level economics right?

The prices of food have doubled (unless you want to eat little debbies and frozen pizza, those have remained stable enough at the grocery store to hide the enormous spike in real food costs) fuel almost tripled, and energy is sharply up across the board over the last few years.

Still today core inflation trails real inflation by a factor of 2.

Funny how you can hide the bad statistics if you think your audience wont catch it :thumbsdown:

GDP is indexed to real inflation, not core. They release total inflation figures at the same time they release core.

Perhaps you're the one who should be hitting the books again.

LOL, you honestly believe that inflation was 1.3% last quarter?

Have you been outside?

Food has doubled in price and fuel almost tripled? Exaggerate much?
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You know that most figures are core inflation which exclude the prices of food, fuel, and energy?


I mean, youve taken 100 level economics right?

The prices of food have doubled (unless you want to eat little debbies and frozen pizza, those have remained stable enough at the grocery store to hide the enormous spike in real food costs) fuel almost tripled, and energy is sharply up across the board over the last few years.

Still today core inflation trails real inflation by a factor of 2.

Funny how you can hide the bad statistics if you think your audience wont catch it :thumbsdown:

GDP is indexed to real inflation, not core. They release total inflation figures at the same time they release core.

Perhaps you're the one who should be hitting the books again.

LOL, you honestly believe that inflation was 1.3% last quarter?

Have you been outside?

Food has doubled in price and fuel almost tripled? Exaggerate much?

Have you been to McDonald's? They got rid of the dollar menu, now it's the $3 menu.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You know that most figures are core inflation which exclude the prices of food, fuel, and energy?


I mean, youve taken 100 level economics right?

The prices of food have doubled (unless you want to eat little debbies and frozen pizza, those have remained stable enough at the grocery store to hide the enormous spike in real food costs) fuel almost tripled, and energy is sharply up across the board over the last few years.

Still today core inflation trails real inflation by a factor of 2.

Funny how you can hide the bad statistics if you think your audience wont catch it :thumbsdown:

GDP is indexed to real inflation, not core. They release total inflation figures at the same time they release core.

Perhaps you're the one who should be hitting the books again.

LOL, you honestly believe that inflation was 1.3% last quarter?

Have you been outside?

Food has doubled in price and fuel almost tripled? Exaggerate much?

Have you been to McDonald's? They got rid of the dollar menu, now it's the $3 menu.

Manufactured crap is what deflates the numbers.

How about whole foods?

Milk, Yogurt, Cheese, Beef, Chicken, Veggies, Fruits?

Pepsi was $3 a case on sale 4 years ago. It is now the cheapest in quite a while for $2.50 a 12 pack at wally world.

Like i said before, i you want to live on ronald mcdonald heavily manufactured crap and stuff loaded with refined sugar prices have been pretty stable. If you want to eat FOOD, thats how they get ya ;)

Walmarts Deli is now the same price as premium delis were all over chicago...

Prices have moved up, fast.

And gas?

Youre really gonna commit to that one?

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

Jul 2000 $1.59
Jul 2008 $4.09

I would call that nearly tripled. Hell, look at 1998 on that link.

PPI on all finished goods (including food)
Jul 2000 138.6
...
Jul 2007 167.5
Jul 2008 182.5
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: Engineer
As I stated earlier and am now asking the OP, do you think that recession is defined solely by GDP drowth (or lack thereof)?

By the way, personal incomes dropped by the most in 3 years.

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
53 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Personal incomes plunged in July while consumer spending slowed significantly as the impact of billions of dollars in government rebate checks began to wane.

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The Commerce Department reported Friday that personal incomes fell by 0.7 percent in July, the biggest drop in nearly three years and a far larger decline than the 0.1 percent decrease analysts expected.

Consumer spending edged up a modest 0.2 percent, in line with expectations, but far below June's 0.6 percent rise. When the impact of rising prices was factored in, spending actually dropped by 0.4 percent in July, the weakest showing for inflation-adjusted spending in more than four years.

The July performance for incomes and spending reinforced worries that the economy, which posted better-than-expected growth in the spring because of the rebate checks, could stumble in coming months as their impact fades.

Some economists worry that overall economic growth, which rose at a 3.3 percent annual rate from April-June, could come in at less than half that pace in the current quarter, and could actually dip into negative territory in the final three months of this year and the first quarter of 2009.

Back-to-back declines in the gross domestic product, which measures the value of all goods and services produced within the U.S. and is the best barometer of the country's economic health, would meet one rule of thumb for a recession.

A gauge of inflation closely watched by the Federal Reserve remained elevated in July, rising by 0.6 percent. Over the past 12 months, this inflation gauge tied to consumer spending was up 4.5 percent, the biggest year-over-year increase in more than 17 years.

The surge reflected the big increases that have occurred this year in food and energy costs. Excluding food and energy, inflation by this measure was up 0.3 percent in July, and 2.4 percent over the past 12 months, still above the Fed's comfort zone. The central bank is caught in a bind between a sluggish economy and rising inflation pressures.

The 0.7 percent drop in personal incomes followed a 0.1 percent rise in June and a 1.8 percent surge in May. After-tax incomes dropped by an even bigger 1.1 percent in July, following a 1.9 percent decline in June and a 5.7 percent surge in May. All the income figures were heavily influenced by the rebate checks.

Democrats, including presidential nominee Barack Obama, are calling for the government to pass a second stimulus package to guard against the economy slumping into a deep recession.

But President Bush, concerned about the impact the stimulus payments will have on the budget deficit, has resisted those calls, insisting that the rebate payments will continue to support the economy in coming months. The administration is already forecasting that the federal budget deficit for the budget year that begins on Oct. 1 will soar to an all-time high in dollar terms of $482 billion.

The report on consumer spending also showed that personal savings totaled 1.2 percent of after-tax incomes in July, down from a rate of 2.5 percent in June


Thank you, Sir- excellent response to the fluffery of the OP.

Here's the most interesting part-

The administration is already forecasting that the federal budget deficit for the budget year that begins on Oct. 1 will soar to an all-time high in dollar terms of $482 billion.

That means the national debt will likely increase by ~$650B-$700B, given the off-budget nature of war expenditures... an exploitation of a last chance gasp at extending the current looting spree...

Any fool can look good on borrowed money, for awhile, anyway...

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You know that most figures are core inflation which exclude the prices of food, fuel, and energy?


I mean, youve taken 100 level economics right?

The prices of food have doubled (unless you want to eat little debbies and frozen pizza, those have remained stable enough at the grocery store to hide the enormous spike in real food costs) fuel almost tripled, and energy is sharply up across the board over the last few years.

Still today core inflation trails real inflation by a factor of 2.

Funny how you can hide the bad statistics if you think your audience wont catch it :thumbsdown:

GDP is indexed to real inflation, not core. They release total inflation figures at the same time they release core.

Perhaps you're the one who should be hitting the books again.

LOL, you honestly believe that inflation was 1.3% last quarter?

Have you been outside?

Food has doubled in price and fuel almost tripled? Exaggerate much?

Have you been to McDonald's? They got rid of the dollar menu, now it's the $3 menu.

Manufactured crap is deflates the numbers.

How about whole foods?

Milk, Yogurt, Cheese, Beef, Chicken, Veggies, Fruits?

Pepsi was $3 a case on sale 4 years ago. It is now the cheapest in quite a while for $2.50 a 12 pack at wally world.

Like i said before, i you want to live on ronald mcdonald heavily manufactured crap and stuff loaded with refined sugar prices have been pretty stable. If you want to eat FOOD, thats how they get ya ;)

Walmarts Deli is now the same price as premium delis were all over chicago...

Prices have moved up, fast.

And gas?

Youre really gonna commit to that one?

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

Jul 2000 $1.59
Jul 2008 $4.09

I would call that nearly tripled. Hell, look at 1998 on that link.

We don't really need to use anecdotal items; the government calculates a lot of info.

The misery index, inflation+unemployment, is currently higher than any annual rate since Reagan's first term 25 years ago.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Acanthus

Manufactured crap is deflates the numbers.

How about whole foods?

Milk, Yogurt, Cheese, Beef, Chicken, Veggies, Fruits?

Pepsi was $3 a case on sale 4 years ago. It is now the cheapest in quite a while for $2.50 a 12 pack at wally world.

Like i said before, i you want to live on ronald mcdonald heavily manufactured crap and stuff loaded with refined sugar prices have been pretty stable. If you want to eat FOOD, thats how they get ya ;)

Walmarts Deli is now the same price as premium delis were all over chicago...

Prices have moved up, fast.

And gas?

Youre really gonna commit to that one?

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

Jul 2000 $1.59
Jul 2008 $4.09

I would call that nearly tripled. Hell, look at 1998 on that link.

We don't really need to use anecdotal items; the government calculates a lot of info.

The misery index, inflation+unemployment, is currently higher than any annual rate since Reagan's first term 25 years ago.

I would think hard numbers would do the job, but apparently they dont.

You can even see through anecdotal evidence that prices are up across the board, and sharply up on food and gas.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
I would think hard numbers would do the job, but apparently they dont.

You can even see through anecdotal evidence that prices are up across the board, and sharply up on food and gas.

I understand, but anecdotal evidence isn't well-suited to proving a broad thing like inflation.

While you are well-intentioned at using fair anecdotes, it's subject to misuse as well.

It's good for communicating the impact of the issue - a simple percent for inflation can be easily ignored, and putting it in other terms can better get people's attention, though.

Saying 'inflation is up x%' can get people not paying attention, while saying 'remember how you had to cut back because you had to pay $Y for that item lately' can get 'YA!'.
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: Genx87
If we see a recession it is pretty clear baring some disaster it should be mild. What this shows you is the power of the media to tell people their life sucks to the point they start to believe it.
The media is nothing compared to the power of the federal government telling people Iraq is an imminent threat to the United States and we should be very afraid.

 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: Genx87
If we see a recession it is pretty clear baring some disaster it should be mild. What this shows you is the power of the media to tell people their life sucks to the point they start to believe it.
The media is nothing compared to the power of the federal government telling people Iraq is an imminent threat to the United States and we should be very afraid.

Or the Democrats telling us the US will be a 3rd world country and we'll all die uninsured, uneducated, and poor if we don't pick Obama.

See how easy that is?
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: Genx87
If we see a recession it is pretty clear baring some disaster it should be mild. What this shows you is the power of the media to tell people their life sucks to the point they start to believe it.
The media is nothing compared to the power of the federal government telling people Iraq is an imminent threat to the United States and we should be very afraid.

Or the Democrats telling us the US will be a 3rd world country and we'll all die uninsured, uneducated, and poor if we don't pick Obama.

See how easy that is?

After your lies were exposed in this thread you have zero credibility.

Please provide a link(s) where 'the Democrats' have told 'us' that 'we will be a 3rd world country'.

Or once again you will be shown to be nothing more than a Troll and a Hack
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: Genx87
If we see a recession it is pretty clear baring some disaster it should be mild. What this shows you is the power of the media to tell people their life sucks to the point they start to believe it.
The media is nothing compared to the power of the federal government telling people Iraq is an imminent threat to the United States and we should be very afraid.

Or the Democrats telling us the US will be a 3rd world country and we'll all die uninsured, uneducated, and poor if we don't pick Obama.

See how easy that is?

After your lies were exposed in this thread you have zero credibility.

Please provide a link(s) where 'the Democrats' have told 'us' that 'we will be a 3rd world country'.

Or once again you will be shown to be nothing more than a Troll and a Hack

Please provide a link(s) where Bush said we should be very afraid of Iraq.

Lies exposed? Hardly, nice try to smear me though.
 

jackschmittusa

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TechAZ

Do you really need links to remember things like:

mushroom cloud

remote drones with chemical agents

nukes to terrorists

Memory that short?
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
TechAZ

Do you really need links to remember things like:

mushroom cloud

remote drones with chemical agents

nukes to terrorists

Memory that short?

Nope, but thanks for taking this into the direction I am hoping for.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Hm, by "gas prices are down" do you in fact mean "gas prices are up"? Because that's what I'm seeing.

Shot back up from $3.45 to $3.89 today thanks to a Hurricane in the Gulf that is no where near us.

Gotta love national sanctioned price gouging. :thumbsup:
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: TechAZ

Please provide a link(s) where Bush said we should be very afraid of Iraq.

Would you settle for quotes with names and dates? Google should be able to help you find as many links to them as you want?
  • "Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
    Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/29/02
  • "Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
  • "No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
  • "This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
    George W. Bush, 9/26/02
  • "The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
    George W. Bush, 10/2/02
  • "There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
    George W. Bush, 10/2/02
  • "There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
    George W. Bush, 10/7/02
  • "The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
    George W. Bush, 10/16/02
  • "There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
    George W. Bush, 10/28/02
  • "I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
    George W. Bush, 11/1/02
  • "I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September 11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or three months before or six months before? When did the attack on September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02
  • "Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
    George W. Bush, 11/3/02
  • "The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands."
    George W. Bush, 11/23/02
  • "The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. They not only have weapons of mass destruction, they used weapons of mass destruction...That's why I say Iraq is a threat, a real threat."
    George W. Bush, 1/3/03
  • "Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction."
    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03
  • "Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03
  • "Well, of course he is.?
    White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question ?is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home??, 1/26/03
  • "Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
    George W. Bush, 1/28/2003 State of the Union Address
  • "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
    George W. Bush, 1/28/2003 State of the Union Address
  • Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
    Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
  • Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
    Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
  • Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
    Dick Cheney, 1/31/03
  • "This is about imminent threat."
    White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03
  • "The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations."
    George W. Bush, 3/16/03
  • We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ?90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.
    Dick Cheney, 3/16/2003 on ?Meet the Press?
  • "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
    Dick Cheney, 3/16/2003 on ?Meet the Press?
  • "The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
    George W. Bush, 3/19/03
  • "It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region and the world is ended."
    Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03
  • "The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03
  • "We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
    George W. Bush, 4/24/03
  • "Absolutely."
    White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03
  • "Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
    George W. Bush, 7/2/03
  • Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
    White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03
  • "We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
    George W. Bush, 7/17/03
  • "There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States."
    White House spokeswoman Claire Buchanan, 8/26/03
  • We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ?93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ?93. And we?ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.
    Dick Cheney, 9/14/2003 on "Meet The Press"
Need more lies? Try these:
  • Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction
    Dick Cheney, speech to VFW National Convention, Aug. 26, 2002
  • Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
    George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002
  • No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
    Donald Rumsfeld, testimony to Congress, Sept. 19, 2002
  • If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
    Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Dec. 2, 2002
  • We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
    Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Jan. 9, 2003
  • Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agent?. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
    George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003
  • We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons - the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
    George W. Bush, radio address, Feb. 8, 2003
  • Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
    George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003
  • The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.
    George W. Bush, address to U.S., March 19, 2003
  • Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly?..All this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
    Ari Fleisher, press briefing, March 21, 2003
  • We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat.
    Donald Rumsfeld, ABC interview, March 30, 2003
  • But make no mistake - as I said earlier - we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
    Ari Fleischer, press briefing, April 10, 2003
Then, there are more lies ABOUT their previous lies.
  • We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
    George W. Bush, NBC interview, April 24, 2003
  • There are people who in large measure have information that we need?.so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
    Donald Rumsfeld, press briefing, April 25, 2003
  • We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
    George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 3, 2003
  • I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
    Colin Powell, remarks to reporters, May 4, 2003
  • I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein ? because he had a weapons program.
    George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 6, 2003
  • We said what we said because we meant it?..We continue to have confidence that WMD will be found.
    Ari Fleischer, press briefing, May 7, 2003
  • You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, but for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.
    George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003
  • U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
    Condoleeza Rice, Reuters interview, May 12, 2003
  • We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
    Donald Rumsfeld, Fox News interview, May 4, 2003
  • I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons [SEE NEXT QUOTE].
    Donald Rumsfeld, Senate appropriations subcommittee on defense hearing, May 14, 2003
  • We believe [Hussein] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.
    Dick Cheney, NBC's Meet the Press, March 16, 2003
  • They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
    Donald Rumsfeld, remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations, May 27, 2003
  • I think some in the media have chosen to use the word "imminent." Those were not words we used. We used 'grave and gathering' threat." [SEE NEXT QUOTES].
    Scott McClellan, press briefing, Jan. 31, 2004
  • This is about an imminent threat.
    Scott McClellan, press briefing, Feb. 10, 2003
  • After being asked whether Hussein was an "imminent" threat: "Well, of course he is."
    Dan Bartlett, CNN interview, Jan. 26, 2003
  • After being asked whether the U.S. went to war because officials said Hussein?s alleged weapons were a direct, imminent threat to the U.S.: "Absolutely."
    Ari Fleischer, press briefing, May 7, 2003[/quote]
Lies exposed?

Yep! :cool:
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Was wondering how long that would take. Thanks for the laugh!

You sure love a big Bush dildo up your butt don't you. Treason sure is a laughing matter. HAHa.







 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TechAZ
Was wondering how long that would take. Thanks for the laugh!

You sure love a big Bush dildo up your butt don't you. Treason sure is a laughing matter. HAHa.

Actually, I'm laughing at the likes of you. I wouldn't want a dildo up my ass no matter how much you leftist sexual deviants rave about it.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TechAZ
Was wondering how long that would take. Thanks for the laugh!

You sure love a big Bush dildo up your butt don't you. Treason sure is a laughing matter. HAHa.

Actually, I'm laughing at the likes of you. I wouldn't want a dildo up my ass no matter how much you leftist sexual deviants rave about it.

Too late now. You already got it. If you didn't like it you wouldn't support getting more. You and your ilk already asked for seconds with the reelection. :roll:

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TechAZ
Was wondering how long that would take. Thanks for the laugh!

You sure love a big Bush dildo up your butt don't you. Treason sure is a laughing matter. HAHa.

Actually, I'm laughing at the likes of you. I wouldn't want a dildo up my ass no matter how much you leftist sexual deviants rave about it.

Probably for the best anyway. I doubt there would be any room left seeing as that your head has already staked claim to those grounds.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Was wondering how long that would take. Thanks for the laugh!

Wait a minute. You posted:

Please provide a link(s) where Bush said we should be very afraid of Iraq.

I posted sixty-four direct quotes by your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and liars, including statements from Bush, himself, including dates. All of those statements were lies intended to instill fear in Congress and the American public.

It may be that you're too mouse challenged to search for them, but if you think the Bushwhackos' crimes and lies over the last eight years are worth a laugh, YOU are as much a traitor to this nation as they are.