The Economist endorses Obama

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eleison

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.


A few more days, and it will be time for the Messiah to work his miracles. Lets see if "sharing the wealth" and taxing companies that employ millions of people will help the masses. If not, and the economy only gets worst, at least we can say that with million dollar ads, and broken promises, he was able to fool the citizens of this great nation...

yea im sure Obama will crash our economy with taxes in the first 90 days.

i can just see it now

"corporations now pay 85% tax on profit!!!!!!"

"poor rejoice in redistributed wealth, use corporation's money to wipe their asses"

Obama uses voodoo economics to revive Lenin's corpse; ensuing rampage claims thousands of lives.


Its all fun and games, until people start losing their jobs. All the Obama supporters can gloat all they want, but its a fact, that in a down economy, the poor gets hurt the most. They are the ones to likely lose their jobs...

So yea, do the boggie dance, do the "snoppy dance", "rub it in"... a few more days, and its not going to be about "slick million dollar" ads. Its going to be about the economy. Will taxing corporations and people who create jobs help the economy -- or will we be seeing more Obama supporters w/ their Obama pins and buttons in the bread line, imploring -- "Obama, Messiah, we believed in you.... where are our 'well paying' jobs you promised? We cannot eat and live on 'hope and change' only".............


But for now.. do the "happy dance" ;-P
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Butterbean
" Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency."

Wha..? Why does he "deserve the presidency" after 150 days in congress?

That read like Colin Powell. Powell wanted Obama because he is not white and then had to scrimmage up reasons why it wasn't just color - this endorsement seems of the same template. The supporting arguments here for Obama are mostly smoke made to look there was profound consideration that went into the decision. They lament McCains rash decisions and then say "hey gamble on unknown Obama in case he has potential". They mention none of his ideas in any substantive context. Sad to read people self hypnotising themselves but thats the media these days and they are just a monolith pretty much.

say it with me Butterbean!!

YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!!

"BIG MONEY!! BIG MONEY!! BIG MONEY!! NO WAMMY'S!!! STOP!" :laugh: (about as effective)

 
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Originally posted by: Butterbean
" Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency."

Wha..? Why does he "deserve the presidency" after 150 days in congress?

That read like Colin Powell. Powell wanted Obama because he is not white and then had to scrimmage up reasons why it wasn't just color - this endorsement seems of the same template. The supporting arguments here for Obama are mostly smoke made to look there was profound consideration that went into the decision. They lament McCains rash decisions and then say "hey gamble on unknown Obama in case he has potential". They mention none of his ideas in any substantive context. Sad to read people self hypnotising themselves but thats the media these days and they are just a monolith pretty much.

I have a great deal of respect for Colin Powell, quite a bit more before i saw him sweat while spewing his rehearsed speech before the UN, which he knew was bullshit and had the worlds best having a hard time not to laugh at him.

I do not blame Colin, he's military and Obama has publically stated that he will go after Al Quaida wherever they may reside, specifically in Pakistan, something McCain has said he won't, he will sit down and discuss with these traitors, we've fought the ISI and they have made peace with the Taliban and he wants to TALK? Meanwhile he has publically stated that he would NEVER talk to the government of Spain, i have Spanish soldiers to my east, there have been Spanish soldiers here since this war begun.

McCain doesn't know his allies at all, Obama knows his allies and is prepared to give them the go ahead to do what needs to be done.

I have changed my mind, no to McCain and yes to Obama.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Budmantom
I was listening to Rush this morning and he had a little story on how the Obama's campaign pays it's staffers to"infiltrate" on line forums and preach Obama's message(I'm not sure if anybody else heard it).

I didn't think too much of it, but I saw a posting from "microbial" a name I didn't recognize, only here since the 10th, 89 posts and only in P&N... so I searched and all his/her posts are Obama's talking points. I know the chances are slim and I know I've been suspicious of all of you on the left for a while ;) but if we had such a person....

I could very well be wrong but what are the chances ;)
I heard it and he was a little confusing.

I thought it was bitter HRC supporters that are fooling pollsters and artificially inflating the poll numbers to slant Obama?

or maybe he was talking about two separate things... :confused:


I didn't catch the whole thing but Yeah I heard that too they mentioned both, but she made reference of she thought more of him before she started working for him etc....
 

IGBT

Lifer
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..ya. you guys will love the obama's trickle up poverty plan. atleast you'll all be equally miserable.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: eleison

Its all fun and games, until people start losing their jobs. All the Obama supporters can gloat all they want, but its a fact, that in a down economy, the poor gets hurt the most. They are the ones to likely lose their jobs...

So yea, do the boggie dance, do the "snoppy dance", "rub it in"... a few more days, and its not going to be about "slick million dollar" ads. Its going to be about the economy. Will taxing corporations and people who create jobs help the economy -- or will we be seeing more Obama supporters w/ their Obama pins and buttons in the bread line, imploring -- "Obama, Messiah, we believed in you.... where are our 'well paying' jobs you promised? We cannot eat and live on 'hope and change' only".............


But for now.. do the "happy dance" ;-P

Ignorance is bliss.....or in this case, extreme unfounded paranoia.

(I'm referring to you, not Obama supporters)
 

Deeko

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: IGBT
..ya. you guys will love the obama's trickle up poverty plan. atleast you'll all be equally miserable.

so cute, how you've bought the GOP rhetoric. Obama has done nothing to suggest this BS you're spewing. Cute indeed.
 

Alistar7

Lifer
May 13, 2002
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Deek what do you think businesses will do when their taxes are raised and they are forced to help cover even more of their employees health care cost? We alreay have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, medical costs lock in step.

Move their company overseas for cheaper taxes, labor, benefits cost?

Stay here, trim the payroll, cut benefits, raise prices?

Stay here, raise wages, increaes benefits, lower prices?

 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Deek what do you think businesses will do when their taxes are raised and they are forced to help cover even more of their employees health care cost? We alreay have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, medical costs lock in step.

Move their company overseas for cheaper taxes, labor, benefits cost?

Stay here, trim the payroll, cut benefits, raise prices?

Stay here, raise wages, increaes benefits, lower prices?

What a stupid post. Either you know you're lying or absolutely ignorant of the American economy.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Budmantom
I was listening to Rush this morning and he had a little story on how the Obama's campaign pays it's staffers to"infiltrate" on line forums and preach Obama's message(I'm not sure if anybody else heard it).

I didn't think too much of it, but I saw a posting from "microbial" a name I didn't recognize, only here since the 10th, 89 posts and only in P&N... so I searched and all his/her posts are Obama's talking points. I know the chances are slim and I know I've been suspicious of all of you on the left for a while ;) but if we had such a person....

I could very well be wrong but what are the chances ;)

This from someone who never posted in P&N before 3 months ago and whose every post here is anti-Obama. :roll:

BTW, what you're saying Rush said is the exact same as what the Dems were whining about in 2004. "Shills! Shills!" I laughed at them then, I'm laughing at you now. It's not shilling to post an article from the Economist.
Whiny bitches. Try losing with some dignity, eh?
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Budmantom
I was listening to Rush this morning and he had a little story on how the Obama's campaign pays it's staffers to"infiltrate" on line forums and preach Obama's message(I'm not sure if anybody else heard it).

I didn't think too much of it, but I saw a posting from "microbial" a name I didn't recognize, only here since the 10th, 89 posts and only in P&N... so I searched and all his/her posts are Obama's talking points. I know the chances are slim and I know I've been suspicious of all of you on the left for a while ;) but if we had such a person....

I could very well be wrong but what are the chances ;)

This from someone who never posted in P&N before 3 months ago and whose every post here is anti-Obama. :roll:

BTW, what you're saying Rush said is the exact same as what the Dems were whining about in 2004. "Shills! Shills!" I laughed at them then, I'm laughing at you now. It's not shilling to post an article from the Economist.
Whiny bitches. Try losing with some dignity, eh?

nmd, thought misplaced
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.


A few more days, and it will be time for the Messiah to work his miracles. Lets see if "sharing the wealth" and taxing companies that employ millions of people will help the masses. If not, and the economy only gets worst, at least we can say that with million dollar ads, and broken promises, he was able to fool the citizens of this great nation...

yea im sure Obama will crash our economy with taxes in the first 90 days.

i can just see it now

"corporations now pay 85% tax on profit!!!!!!"

"poor rejoice in redistributed wealth, use corporation's money to wipe their asses"

Obama uses voodoo economics to revive Lenin's corpse; ensuing rampage claims thousands of lives.


Its all fun and games, until people start losing their jobs. All the Obama supporters can gloat all they want, but its a fact, that in a down economy, the poor gets hurt the most. They are the ones to likely lose their jobs...

So yea, do the boggie dance, do the "snoppy dance", "rub it in"... a few more days, and its not going to be about "slick million dollar" ads. Its going to be about the economy. Will taxing corporations and people who create jobs help the economy -- or will we be seeing more Obama supporters w/ their Obama pins and buttons in the bread line, imploring -- "Obama, Messiah, we believed in you.... where are our 'well paying' jobs you promised? We cannot eat and live on 'hope and change' only".............


But for now.. do the "happy dance" ;-P
More FUD...
 

microbial

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
I was listening to Rush this morning and he had a little story on how the Obama's campaign pays it's staffers to"infiltrate" on line forums and preach Obama's message(I'm not sure if anybody else heard it).

I didn't think too much of it, but I saw a posting from "microbial" a name I didn't recognize, only here since the 10th, 89 posts and only in P&N... so I searched and all his/her posts are Obama's talking points. I know the chances are slim and I know I've been suspicious of all of you on the left for a while ;) but if we had such a person....

I could very well be wrong but what are the chances ;)

Ha-ha.Beer for you my man :beer:

I'll be expecting a check from B.O. (BHO as the case may be) very soon. The bastard better cough-up the dough.

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Deek what do you think businesses will do when their taxes are raised and they are forced to help cover even more of their employees health care cost? We alreay have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, medical costs lock in step.

While we have the higest "rate" in the industrialized world, per CNBC, we have the 2nd lowest "burden" on corporations in the world. Rate does not equal what corporations actually pay. Far more deductions in the US.

 

Alistar7

Lifer
May 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Deek what do you think businesses will do when their taxes are raised and they are forced to help cover even more of their employees health care cost? We alreay have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, medical costs lock in step.

Move their company overseas for cheaper taxes, labor, benefits cost?

Stay here, trim the payroll, cut benefits, raise prices?

Stay here, raise wages, increaes benefits, lower prices?

What a stupid post. Either you know you're lying or absolutely ignorant of the American economy.

I am asking you your opinion. I am not stating anything as fact or personal belief, how could a question be considered a lie?

Your inability to answer, or the reason you choose not to, is evident. Stick to insults, it really hides your lack of logical reasoning....

 

Alistar7

Lifer
May 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: Vic
There are numerous ways in which a question can be fallacious. Yours was an example of false dilemma.

Did you read that link, guess not, first line:

The informal fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, or bifurcation) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options.

I listed three, and asked for any others he thought might be worth considering.

Why can't ONE Obama supporter explain to me how raising taxes on business will help the working class?
 

JS80

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Vic
There are numerous ways in which a question can be fallacious. Yours was an example of false dilemma.

Did you read that link, guess not, first line:

The informal fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, or bifurcation) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options.

I listed three, and asked for any others he thought might be worth considering.

Why can't ONE Obama supporter explain to me how raising taxes on business will help the working class?

Because the higher tax revenue gets handed over to the working (and non-working) class!!
 

Stoneburner

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If the right leaning conservative Economist ,the pre-eminent news source of the past 150 years, says vote for Obama than your ass better vote for Obama. There is now no excuse to not vote for obama.
 

Alistar7

Lifer
May 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: Stoneburner
If the right leaning conservative Economist ,the pre-eminent news source of the past 150 years, says vote for Obama than your ass better vote for Obama. There is now no excuse to not vote for obama.

There are plenty of reasons not to vote for EITHER candidate.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
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I like the Economist, but I don't really trust guys that supported the Iraq war from the beginning. They also endorsed Dole in 1996 and Bush in 2000. They're good at explaining what happens but bad at predicting the future.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Vic
There are numerous ways in which a question can be fallacious. Yours was an example of false dilemma.

Did you read that link, guess not, first line:

The informal fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, or bifurcation) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options.

I listed three, and asked for any others he thought might be worth considering.

Why can't ONE Obama supporter explain to me how raising taxes on business will help the working class?

Oooh, a nitpicker. Sorry, I misread and only saws 2 questions in your earlier post. My bad.

That doesn't change the fact that a question can be a lie, which you incorrectly disputed. Other forms of fallacious questions are complex question, begging the question, and loaded question, just for starters.

And the answer to your question is simple. Text

Maybe if the Pubs hadn't gone and ran up the country's credit card balance to the limit, we wouldn't be facing this problem today. In other words, Bush already raised our taxes, but just made sure to push back the effective date of the increase until after he left office.
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.


A few more days, and it will be time for the Messiah to work his miracles. Lets see if "sharing the wealth" and taxing companies that employ millions of people will help the masses. If not, and the economy only gets worst, at least we can say that with million dollar ads, and broken promises, he was able to fool the citizens of this great nation...

yea im sure Obama will crash our economy with taxes in the first 90 days.

i can just see it now

"corporations now pay 85% tax on profit!!!!!!"

"poor rejoice in redistributed wealth, use corporation's money to wipe their asses"

Obama uses voodoo economics to revive Lenin's corpse; ensuing rampage claims thousands of lives.


Its all fun and games, until people start losing their jobs. All the Obama supporters can gloat all they want, but its a fact, that in a down economy, the poor gets hurt the most. They are the ones to likely lose their jobs...

So yea, do the boggie dance, do the "snoppy dance", "rub it in"... a few more days, and its not going to be about "slick million dollar" ads. Its going to be about the economy. Will taxing corporations and people who create jobs help the economy -- or will we be seeing more Obama supporters w/ their Obama pins and buttons in the bread line, imploring -- "Obama, Messiah, we believed in you.... where are our 'well paying' jobs you promised? We cannot eat and live on 'hope and change' only".............


But for now.. do the "happy dance" ;-P

jobs are created by demand for products, demand for products is caused by people spending, and people spend by having money to spend in the hand of people who spend it.

who is giving tax cuts to people who spend money?
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Deek what do you think businesses will do when their taxes are raised and they are forced to help cover even more of their employees health care cost? We alreay have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, medical costs lock in step.

Move their company overseas for cheaper taxes, labor, benefits cost?

Stay here, trim the payroll, cut benefits, raise prices?

Stay here, raise wages, increaes benefits, lower prices?

our effective tax rate is actually pretty low
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Vic
There are numerous ways in which a question can be fallacious. Yours was an example of false dilemma.

Did you read that link, guess not, first line:

The informal fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, or bifurcation) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options.

I listed three, and asked for any others he thought might be worth considering.

Why can't ONE Obama supporter explain to me how raising taxes on business will help the working class?

lower budget deficit.