The East Coast gets a taste of what Iraqis/Palestanians feel everyday without water and electricity

KAMAZON

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Some of our mystics here might even believe that the Cheney/Bush crowd have a midas touch. That is, everything they touch turns into depression and infrastructure breakdown. Take the case of 'Liberating' Iraq. As any sane person knew, this war would be a quagmire with no exit and reconstruction policy.

The policy of the neo-cons in Iraq, is the policy of the neo-con Cheney administration at home in the USA as national polciy. That is, there is no reconstruction policy. Our infrastructure has broken down into a former shadow of it's former more productive/regulated self, which cannot sustain our population anymore. Some Eco-Fascists might state the solution is to kill off the people. Of course, eco-fascists are worse than Nazis, but instead of hating certain races, they are 'equal opertunity haters'. Regardless, the only way to get Iraq, the USA, and the 3rd world out of this mess, is to develop our infrastructure and haveing a REAL boom, not some fraudulant 'trading of papers'.

Through fraudulant and the mystic dogma of Adam Smiths "Invisible Hand" making everything perfect, we deregulated and thus, our nation declined to this mess it is now. We, the greatest strongest most badass nation on this planet do not have a functioning power grid. We do not have a functioning real mass transit system either, not even the railroads we had in the 1860s. THIS is a real national security threat! Now maybe the people of the USA will get a wake up call on what kind of hell these evil 'world war 3' neo-con chickenhawks represent.


The real question comes in. Our economic system and physical infrastructure is completely collapsing. This is at a time when Dirty Dick Cheney is in a big scandal regarding his lies to the President, Congress, the UN, and most importantly, the American people about the Iraq war. It seems possible these neo-cons would enjoy a police state, and a meltdown of this type will give them the way of doing it, like Hitler did.

 

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There are MANY countries in the world which have serious "electricity problems"; by comparison, the Iraqis and Palestinians actually have it GOOD.
 

Nitemare

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I bet if we had LaDouche in charge everyone would have food and electricity and there would be peace on earth.
 

KAMAZON

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Actually, our economy is improving.

By what measure? Are you using the fraudulant deregulated stock market as 'our economy'? Our economy consists of hospitals, roads, schools, mass transportation, power and energy, water, and so fourth. Every single one of those things is in a major decline by depression standards. A 'enron filled' stock market means jack schitt about the real economy. Whatever Wallstreet babyboomer tells you the economy is improving, rest assured their keeping you 'in the dark'.
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Actually, our economy is improving.

By what measure? Are you using the fraudulant deregulated stock market as 'our economy'? Our economy consists of hospitals, roads, schools, mass transportation, power and energy, water, and so fourth. Every single one of those things is in a major decline by depression standards. A 'enron filled' stock market means jack schitt about the real economy. Whatever Wallstreet babyboomer tells you the economy is improving, rest assured their keeping you 'in the dark'.
Maybe he refers to the GDP?
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Actually, our economy is improving.

By what measure? Are you using the fraudulant deregulated stock market as 'our economy'? Our economy consists of hospitals, roads, schools, mass transportation, power and energy, water, and so fourth. Every single one of those things is in a major decline by depression standards. A 'enron filled' stock market means jack schitt about the real economy. Whatever Wallstreet babyboomer tells you the economy is improving, rest assured their keeping you 'in the dark'.
WTF are you talking about?

No need to base if off the stock market. The stock market is the rich mans gambling.

The economy IS NOT bad. If you judge it based off the reckless boom time, you might think it is, but 3.5% growth is GOOD, projected growth of Q3 2003. Lets not forget US exports are at a 3 year high(better than Clintons last year in office). Manufacturing is up, consumer spending is up, consumer confidence is up, buisness to buisness is up. Everything is well, except for unemployment and thats slowly recovering.

I dont know how the hell you are talking about, basing the economy on hospitals, they go bankrupt even in boom times, infact a bunch went through bankruptcy during the dot.com era. Roads? Atleast in Texas roads are extremely good/new ones being built/olds one being redone. Schools budgets have been cut, but that doesnt mean much, you can throw all the money at schools and it wont improve education. Now airlines are fvcked, but thats not because of the economy, its a result of their own doing + September 11, plus further management incompetence. Power and Water? I dont see any problem with power companies or water utilities where Im at, as for gas prices, the US has the cheapest gas in the world so cry me a river.

If you are basing the economy on overzelous spending by state legislatures resulting in defiects, you are simply wrong.

The economy is based on growth.
 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Actually, our economy is improving.

By what measure? Are you using the fraudulant deregulated stock market as 'our economy'? Our economy consists of hospitals, roads, schools, mass transportation, power and energy, water, and so fourth. Every single one of those things is in a major decline by depression standards. A 'enron filled' stock market means jack schitt about the real economy. Whatever Wallstreet babyboomer tells you the economy is improving, rest assured their keeping you 'in the dark'.
WTF are you talking about?

No need to base if off the stock market. The stock market is the rich mans gambling.

The economy IS NOT bad. If you judge it based off the reckless boom time, you might think it is, but 3.5% growth is GOOD, projected growth of Q3 2003. Lets not forget US exports are at a 3 year high(better than Clintons last year in office). Manufacturing is up, consumer spending is up, consumer confidence is up, buisness to buisness is up. Everything is well, except for unemployment and thats slowly recovering.

I dont know how the hell you are talking about, basing the economy on hospitals, they go bankrupt even in boom times, infact a bunch went through bankruptcy during the dot.com era. Roads? Atleast in Texas roads are extremely good/new ones being built/olds one being redone. Schools budgets have been cut, but that doesnt mean much, you can throw all the money at schools and it wont improve education. Now airlines are fvcked, but thats not because of the economy, its a result of their own doing + September 11, plus further management incompetence. Power and Water? I dont see any problem with power companies or water utilities where Im at, as for gas prices, the US has the cheapest gas in the world so cry me a river.

If you are basing the economy on overzelous spending by state legislatures resulting in defiects, you are simply wrong.

The economy is based on growth.
digitalsm

give it up man. you will never be able to convince the majority of ATers that this past "recession" wasn't the worst one in history, never mind convince them that it is over.

god, it's amazing how quickly people forget. no wonder people say we don't learn from history. even during the 80's we had a worse recession that the minor dip we just experienced.

it's all about expectations. the '90's convinced a whole group of college / high school students that EVERYONE could become millionaires.

that is just simply NOT true. it was just a unique set of circumstances that allowed a large group of people to make a LOT of money. it won't happen again for probably another 60 or so years.

btw, the last time anything like the 90's happened was the early '20's. when the auto and oil industry was BOOMING and changing our economy from a primarily agricutural economy to an industrial one.

ironically we are losing most of our industries and becoming an agricutural one again (in the sense that agricultural products are one of our biggest exports).

 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: KAMAZON
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Actually, our economy is improving.

By what measure? Are you using the fraudulant deregulated stock market as 'our economy'? Our economy consists of hospitals, roads, schools, mass transportation, power and energy, water, and so fourth. Every single one of those things is in a major decline by depression standards. A 'enron filled' stock market means jack schitt about the real economy. Whatever Wallstreet babyboomer tells you the economy is improving, rest assured their keeping you 'in the dark'.
WTF are you talking about?

No need to base if off the stock market. The stock market is the rich mans gambling.

The economy IS NOT bad. If you judge it based off the reckless boom time, you might think it is, but 3.5% growth is GOOD, projected growth of Q3 2003. Lets not forget US exports are at a 3 year high(better than Clintons last year in office). Manufacturing is up, consumer spending is up, consumer confidence is up, buisness to buisness is up. Everything is well, except for unemployment and thats slowly recovering.

I dont know how the hell you are talking about, basing the economy on hospitals, they go bankrupt even in boom times, infact a bunch went through bankruptcy during the dot.com era. Roads? Atleast in Texas roads are extremely good/new ones being built/olds one being redone. Schools budgets have been cut, but that doesnt mean much, you can throw all the money at schools and it wont improve education. Now airlines are fvcked, but thats not because of the economy, its a result of their own doing + September 11, plus further management incompetence. Power and Water? I dont see any problem with power companies or water utilities where Im at, as for gas prices, the US has the cheapest gas in the world so cry me a river.

If you are basing the economy on overzelous spending by state legislatures resulting in defiects, you are simply wrong.

The economy is based on growth.
digitalsm

give it up man. you will never be able to convince the majority of ATers that this past "recession" wasn't the worst one in history, never mind convince them that it is over.

god, it's amazing how quickly people forget. no wonder people say we don't learn from history. even during the 80's we had a worse recession that the minor dip we just experienced.

it's all about expectations. the '90's convinced a whole group of college / high school students that EVERYONE could become millionaires.

that is just simply NOT true. it was just a unique set of circumstances that allowed a large group of people to make a LOT of money. it won't happen again for probably another 60 or so years.

btw, the last time anything like the 90's happened was the early '20's. when the auto and oil industry was BOOMING and changing our economy from a primarily agricutural economy to an industrial one.

ironically we are losing most of our industries and becoming an agricutural one again (in the sense that agricultural products are one of our biggest exports).

Hell the recession of '91 was worse than this one, and yeah lets not even mention the 70s or the early 80's. Lets all just forget about Jimmy Carter, great ex-president, worst president IMHO.
 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Hell the recession of '91 was worse than this one, and yeah lets not even mention the 70s or the early 80's. Lets all just forget about Jimmy Carter, great ex-president, worst president IMHO.
finally someone who is capable of putting things in the context of history. :)

btw, think of this for a second. IF 9-11 had never happened, would we have even dropped as much economically as we did?

the fact that we were able to absorb 9-11, enron . . . WOW, and come out as well as we have? that's an amazingly resilient economy that has NOTHING to do with who was president at the time.

neither reagon, clinton or bush can take credit for that. it was the american people.
 

KAMAZON

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WTF are you talking about?

No need to base if off the stock market. The stock market is the rich mans gambling.

The economy IS NOT bad. If you judge it based off the reckless boom time, you might think it is, but 3.5% growth is GOOD, projected growth of Q3 2003. Lets not forget US exports are at a 3 year high(better than Clintons last year in office). Manufacturing is up, consumer spending is up, consumer confidence is up, buisness to buisness is up. Everything is well, except for unemployment and thats slowly recovering.
How could manufacturing be up, when most of the manufacturing jobs have been lost through unemployment and free trade? Maybe manufacturing of fake statistics and bombs are up!

I dont know how the hell you are talking about, basing the economy on hospitals, they go bankrupt even in boom times, infact a bunch went through bankruptcy during the dot.com era.
A regulated economy such as the Hill-Burton period of 1945-1971 made sure through credit through the government that hospitals grew as the population grew, and were always ready. Since the free trade fiasco of Nixon/Carter, they have became a personal business, and as a result, are mostly being distoryed. For example, most of the Hospitals and trauma centers in LA have been shut down, our nations first hospital which George Washington himself said should not be closed, was closed in Washington DC and so fourth. All this is happening while mass transportation such as trains are all going off tracks or non existant, while these big ass trucks with drivers on speed for 20 hours a day eating up the roads, all along while most of the bridges in this nation are behind maintenance. That brings up your 2nd point.
Roads? Atleast in Texas roads are extremely good/new ones being built/olds one being redone.
Ever been to Houston where the feces literally rises to the streets since their sewage system hasn't been worked on since God knows when? GIve those roads a bit of time to crack under all that truck weight too.

Schools budgets have been cut, but that doesnt mean much, you can throw all the money at schools and it wont improve education.
Perhaps if states such as the deep south could afford to keep schools open for more than 4 days, and children had air conditioning and proper books, we could actually bring up our laughable educational system.

Now airlines are fvcked, but thats not because of the economy, its a result of their own doing + September 11, plus further management incompetence.
Airlines and the economy wer're fvcked before Sept. 11th, it just helped speed up the process.

Power and Water? I dont see any problem with power companies or water utilities where Im at, as for gas prices, the US has the cheapest gas in the world so cry me a river.
If we have so much power and water, how does the entire eastern USA go into a black out because supposidly 1 transformer blew out? Also, the only reason we have the cheapest gas in the world is because we're willing to lie to everyone to get a fake war started, kill millions of people over time, so we can steal that Gasoline.

If you are basing the economy on overzelous spending by state legislatures resulting in defiects, you are simply wrong.
Even if there isn't overzealous spending, the states are still bankrupt. California, New York, and other states are in a hopeless istuation which we can't get out off using normal means. Either we kill our population and try to work in a bankrupt system, or we get a new system. Yes, it's that bad and growing. Do you have any solutions to the California and New York crisis?
The economy is based on growth.
And there hasn't been real physical growth in the USA for the past 35 years when we decided to value wealth on our ability to loot nations of their resources and workforce thorugh policies such as NAFTA and Free Trade.

 

shiner

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Originally posted by: KAMAZON
WTF are you talking about?

No need to base if off the stock market. The stock market is the rich mans gambling.

The economy IS NOT bad. If you judge it based off the reckless boom time, you might think it is, but 3.5% growth is GOOD, projected growth of Q3 2003. Lets not forget US exports are at a 3 year high(better than Clintons last year in office). Manufacturing is up, consumer spending is up, consumer confidence is up, buisness to buisness is up. Everything is well, except for unemployment and thats slowly recovering.
How could manufacturing be up, when most of the manufacturing jobs have been lost through unemployment and free trade? Maybe manufacturing of fake statistics and bombs are up!

I dont know how the hell you are talking about, basing the economy on hospitals, they go bankrupt even in boom times, infact a bunch went through bankruptcy during the dot.com era.
A regulated economy such as the Hill-Burton period of 1945-1971 made sure through credit through the government that hospitals grew as the population grew, and were always ready. Since the free trade fiasco of Nixon/Carter, they have became a personal business, and as a result, are mostly being distoryed. For example, most of the Hospitals and trauma centers in LA have been shut down, our nations first hospital which George Washington himself said should not be closed, was closed in Washington DC and so fourth. All this is happening while mass transportation such as trains are all going off tracks or non existant, while these big ass trucks with drivers on speed for 20 hours a day eating up the roads, all along while most of the bridges in this nation are behind maintenance. That brings up your 2nd point.
Roads? Atleast in Texas roads are extremely good/new ones being built/olds one being redone.
Ever been to Houston where the feces literally rises to the streets since their sewage system hasn't been worked on since God knows when? GIve those roads a bit of time to crack under all that truck weight too.

Schools budgets have been cut, but that doesnt mean much, you can throw all the money at schools and it wont improve education.
Perhaps if states such as the deep south could afford to keep schools open for more than 4 days, and children had air conditioning and proper books, we could actually bring up our laughable educational system.

Now airlines are fvcked, but thats not because of the economy, its a result of their own doing + September 11, plus further management incompetence.
Airlines and the economy wer're fvcked before Sept. 11th, it just helped speed up the process.

Power and Water? I dont see any problem with power companies or water utilities where Im at, as for gas prices, the US has the cheapest gas in the world so cry me a river.
If we have so much power and water, how does the entire eastern USA go into a black out because supposidly 1 transformer blew out? Also, the only reason we have the cheapest gas in the world is because we're willing to lie to everyone to get a fake war started, kill millions of people over time, so we can steal that Gasoline.

If you are basing the economy on overzelous spending by state legislatures resulting in defiects, you are simply wrong.
Even if there isn't overzealous spending, the states are still bankrupt. California, New York, and other states are in a hopeless istuation which we can't get out off using normal means. Either we kill our population and try to work in a bankrupt system, or we get a new system. Yes, it's that bad and growing. Do you have any solutions to the California and New York crisis?
The economy is based on growth.
And there hasn't been real physical growth in the USA for the past 35 years when we decided to value wealth on our ability to loot nations of their resources and workforce thorugh policies such as NAFTA and Free Trade.
You REALLY need to stop buying into all the LaRouche propaganda......jeez.

 

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