The Dutch government will abandon the model of a multicultural society

[CanOWorms]

These are interesting statements from the Dutch. I'm concerned about what the Dutch will do next. It's been a bit since the last European genocide and during that one, Dutch soldiers were cowards who abandoned their duties and allowed the genocide to happen. I think that this results in a higher likelihood of a genocide happening in the Netherlands.

The Dutch did more than abandon their posts; victims claim that they participated in the Srebrenica genocide.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Rabidmongoose.
Your post gives me the strong impression that you do not really understand what a globally social environment creates. To give you some idea. The right parties in Europe only came to rise after the continued view by the media that all Muslims are evil. Something that happened right after 1991 (Bush Sr & Iraq) and later on after 9/11. Then came the WMD lies...

This is not something that was done deliberate by the media. But is a domino effect that happens when people are constantly battered with the view that Muslims are evil and then experiencing negativity from a group of people who by coincidence happened to have a Muslims background. The human mind is quite easy to understand.

For example, when football hooligans brake down a stadium or a city... A religion cannot be blamed as the cause. Then it is just the hooligans. In the Arabic world, the same thing has happened. The continued view that the evil Western world with the evil Jews want to destroy the poor Muslims. Now it is falling apart.

 

[CanOWorms]

Maybe the 'problems of the common' people translates to 'racist platform.' I agree in that people just don't vote for a political party because 'parties don't listen to me,' it's more in that they agree more with the political party with a racist platform.

That's usually what it means.

Perhaps a lot of Dutch people are now like many Americans in the US who are of European descent. They have de-assimilated themselves from Dutch society.

Yes, many have de-assimilated and are now trying to force people into assimilating into this new, offshoot culture. However, this new culture does not believe in equality.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Rabidmongoose.
Your post gives me the strong impression that you do not really understand what a globally social environment creates. To give you some idea. The right parties in Europe only came to rise after the continued view by the media that all Muslims are evil. Something that happened right after 1991 (Bush Sr & Iraq) and later on after 9/11. Then came the WMD lies...

This is not something that was done deliberate by the media. But is a domino effect that happens when people are constantly battered with the view that Muslims are evil and then experiencing negativity from a group of people who by coincidence happened to have a Muslims background. The human mind is quite easy to understand.

For example, when football hooligans brake down a stadium or a city... A religion cannot be blamed as the cause. Then it is just the hooligans. In the Arabic world, the same thing has happened. The continued view that the evil Western world with the evil Jews want to destroy the poor Muslims. Now it is falling apart.

Seems to me that you're trying to make excuses for certain segments of Dutch society voting for political parties with strong racist platforms. You vote for a racist political party if you support the party's racist policies. That's about it and nothing about 'globally social environment' and such means much at all.

However, I do find it curious that you seem to be trying to put the blame of Dutch people being racist and voting for racist parties on the US. Interesting. How about you start realizing that your country has a problem instead? This is exactly the type of mindset that I'm worried about - Europeans never recognize their own problems until it's right on the edge of genocide.

 

[CanOWorms]

Seems to me that you're trying to make excuses for certain segments of Dutch society voting for political parties with strong racist platforms. You vote for a racist political party if you support the party's racist policies. That's about it and nothing about 'globally social environment' and such means much at all.

However, I do find it curious that you seem to be trying to put the blame of Dutch people being racist and voting for racist parties on the US. Interesting. How about you start realizing that your country has a problem instead? This is exactly the type of mindset that I'm worried about - Europeans never recognize their own problems until it's right on the edge of genocide.

The problem is that European culture hasn't changed much in the last 60 years. Their insistence on protecting their culture has caused it to become stuck in time and not evolving. Essentially, the culture has not changed much since WW2. Thus, they are stuck in times when ethnic supremacy and purity were valued. So they think that the social issues can't be their fault, but the fault of others.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Seems to me that you're trying to make excuses for certain segments of Dutch society voting for political parties with strong racist platforms. You vote for a racist political party if you support the party's racist policies. That's about it and nothing about 'globally social environment' and such means much at all.

I was trying to explain something that you obvious still do not get.

But perhaps you will understand this, for example :
Foreigners in your eyes (Really Dutch natives because they have been in the Netherlands for at least 3 to 4 generations) with the Hindu faith voted for the PVV because they where tired that the religious property important to them where constantly defiled or partially demolished. Now it get hard to play the racist card does it ? :hmm:

Of course, it is the case the PVV party members did notice this opportunity and actively played out the fear of the people. One can only guess if the PVV was sincere or just using traditional politic schemes that can be found in every country. But as it stands, Hindu's have always been modest very kind people. At least the always existing exception did not reach the papers as often as the youth gangs do. But i have to state once again that youth gangs have nothing to do with the religion. It has to do with the lack of upbringing, the lack of parenting. The lack of being interested in the children.

However, I do find it curious that you seem to be trying to put the blame of Dutch people being racist and voting for racist parties on the US. Interesting. How about you start realizing that your country has a problem instead? This is exactly the type of mindset that I'm worried about - Europeans never recognize their own problems until it's right on the edge of genocide.

I knew you would bite as soon as you would read that part of the text.
I do not blame the US at all. It is politics all around the world as presented by the media that shape the view of the people. And that is my main point.
Although i should mention that the people in the US are still not taking enough measures against such shameful schemes as the WMD lies. Politicians and presidents must be held accountable when they knowingly sacrifice lives for nothing. But that is something i would like to see everywhere( I know utopia, but a man must have dreams ).

In ancient past, there where no news agencies. Thus it was easier to manipulate people. The same reason why oppressing countries filter foreign news (China ?) today.

Ironically, now we have more possibilities to retrieve more information. But most people will stick to their favorite news agency. This is because people who have a busy life do not have the time to cross check every part of information. They do not want to personally read about all decisions made by politicians. That is why people vote politicians, to take care of business so they do not have to.

Sometimes, money making is more important then moral values. Something that happens all around the world. Generally speaking, humans are not evil. Humans like to trust others. To be able to trust someone else is to not hate them. But as always sooner or later an individual will be born that does not care for moral values or good and evil. It is life.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I was trying to explain something that you obvious still do not get.

But perhaps you will understand this, for example :
Foreigners in your eyes (Really Dutch natives because they have been in the Netherlands for at least 3 to 4 generations) with the Hindu faith voted for the PVV because they where tired that the religious property important to them where constantly defiled or partially demolished. Now it get hard to play the racist card does it ? :hmm:

Of course, it is the case the PVV party members did notice this opportunity and actively played out the fear of the people. One can only guess if the PVV was sincere or just using traditional politic schemes that can be found in every country. But as it stands, Hindu's have always been modest very kind people. At least the always existing exception did not reach the papers as often as the youth gangs do. But i have to state once again that youth gangs have nothing to do with the religion. It has to do with the lack of upbringing, the lack of parenting. The lack of being interested in the children.

No, it's not really hard to know that people who vote for a racist political party are voting for a racist platform instead of 'I'm not being listened to!'

That's just the way it is. You can keep trying to make excuses, but if you actually admit that the Netherlands has a problem, then you can try to fix it.

This is one of the problems with many European countries. The people refuse to accept that their countries are not perfect. And that's why I'm afraid that we're going to see yet another genocide in Europe, and it's very likely that it will happen in the Netherlands.

 

[Red Dawn]

Seems to me that you're trying to make excuses for certain segments of Dutch society voting for political parties with strong racist platforms. You vote for a racist political party if you support the party's racist policies. That's about it and nothing about 'globally social environment' and such means much at all.

However, I do find it curious that you seem to be trying to put the blame of Dutch people being racist and voting for racist parties on the US. Interesting. How about you start realizing that your country has a problem instead? This is exactly the type of mindset that I'm worried about - Europeans never recognize their own problems until it's right on the edge of genocide.

The thing about the Dutch is that they pay their debts unlike some Bojorking Mongoloids. Freeloading refuse

 

[Red Dawn]

I go to the ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, curacao) a lot for scuba. But seem to run into them in non DWI territories.

But I tell you what, those guys really have a sense of liberty. If I spot some dutch, I'm hanging with them.

And spread the idea of the ugly American

 

[RabidMongoose]

The thing about the Dutch is that they pay their debts unlike some Bojorking Mongoloids. Freeloading refuse

Really? I'd say that they owe trillions in reparations to their former colonies. Have they paid it yet?

Don't insult Bjork, that could get you killed if you ever step foot in Iceland.

 

[Red Dawn]

Really? I'd say that they owe trillions in reparations to their former colonies. Have they paid it yet?

Don't insult Bjork, that could get you killed if you ever step foot in Iceland.

The only reason an American wouod need to step foot in Iceland is to prevent mass suicide from it's inhabitants..you know, like the Lemings they seem to model themselves and their society after.

 

[Red Dawn]

Really? I'd say that they owe trillions in reparations to their former colonies. Have they paid it yet?

How about the centuries of innovation you Mongoloids prevented with your barabaric practices

 

[RabidMongoose]

The only reason an American wouod need to step foot in Iceland is to prevent mass suicide from it's inhabitants..you know, like the Lemings they seem to model themselves and their society after.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Icelandic Spy Agency comes after the anti-Bjorks. They're known to operate outside of Icelandic territory.

 

[William Gaatjes]

No, it's not really hard to know that people who vote for a racist political party are voting for a racist platform instead of 'I'm not being listened to!'

If you would understand anything of politics, you would understand that politicians and political parties have a political program that covers a diversity of subjects. The PVV might present itself as the party against Islam, in reality they have a program that attacks everything dutch people are not happy with. I am willing to go so far that the end desire of the PVV is not the removal of Muslims from the Netherlands, instead they want to enforce a bit more integration to prevent increasing control from those extremist people who claim to have the Islamic faith. The extremist people who preach violence and are willing to use violence. This also seems from the politic behavior of the PVV. They bet high and are happy with an end result which is a lot less extreme then what they where aiming for at the start. But that is just my opinion based on what i have noticed what they have accomplished so far. Of course i could be wrong.

For example, a lot of people in the Netherlands bought a house, there is some tax reduction system that allows to receive back some payed tax with relation to the mortgage. The PVV did not want to remove this option of tax reduction that is for many people a means to save money for later. People fear that they worked their whole life only to learn that some financial manager at some pension fund gambled wrong with the pensions. The last years the mortgage crisis and the bank crisis increase these fears.

A lot of dutch people are angry with the EU that the EU enforces rules and laws but refuses to solve simples issues such as the monthly Strasbourg/Brussels exchange which cost in the order of around 10 to 15 million euro each month. The PVV wants to address these kind of situations. If they will succeed is another question but it looks great on party program papers.

When the dutch people voted against he EU constitution in 2005 EU president Barosso clearly stated that people in the EU should not be allowed to vote for these kind of democratic issues ? Is this man insane ? A lot of primarily left politicians but also CDA and VDD in the Netherlands had the same opinion. That in these important subjects about democracy, the people should not vote about it but should leave it to the politicians. This created a lot of anger with the dutch people. The front man of PVV was also against the eu constitution and attacked the other dutch politicians about once again ignoring what the people want and even asked for the current government to quit and do new elections.

A lot of Dutch do not agree with giving Greece support all the while Greece makes hardly any effort to change their policy (in the eyes of the dutch people). The PVV Jumps in on this by stating they are against lending Greece any more money. Especially since it is found out that pension money is payed to 4500 former Greek government employees who have been dead for years. Again more then 16 million euro a year are stolen by the Greek people. Claiming it was an error. And the dutch people can pull their wallets to help those Greek thieves out. I should add that at the moment 9000 Greeks that are over a hundred years old are under investigation to check which ones are still alive.

A lot of EU regulation has forced farmers who raise cattle or do agriculture in a difficult position. For years they have been played around by the (prior PVV)dutch politicians. The PVV wants to attack these kind of regulations and wants to give the Dutch people more freedom once again who always had their own regulations. The details are not important here, it is what the people want to hear.

People in the Netherlands get to hear from VVD, CDA, D66 ,PVDA, Groenlinks(Green Left, a party led by deranged individuals) that they have to work until 67 because the rest of Europe does not want to work longer or retire fast. Again in Greece the Greek government has proposed that Greek people must retire at 63. In a lot of other EU countries people retire at a much younger age. Dutch people retire at 65 here in the Netherlands. Dutch people will at 67 in the future. Dutch people have always worked and payed the bills. But every time the dutch people can help others out of trouble. The public is tired of it.

The VDD at the time by enforcement of the EU rules divided the public train transport system to increase free market enterprise(This has not changed anything at all). But the VVD went far further then the EU laws actually required. The public transport has become more expensive. The NS and pro-rail, constantly have problems. When it rains , snows, when the sun shines, trains drop out or bridges do not open or there is something wrong with the tracks. This causes serious frustration and it cost a lot of money because people who need to work cannot get at work or start to use the car only to be stuck in traffic. These are common subjects where the politics does not enough to nothing about.

These are just a few examples.
This is not a question of right and wrong, this is about party programs.
This is about every day people who see that that they work hard and that the every time they hear from the politicians there needs to be cutbacks while they see that money going down the drain. The PVV has also a lot of troubling party program points. Such as reducing help for those in need. If you want more information, you are free to look up the website and download the party programs.

I did not vote the few last times. Out of frustration and it is dumb to not vote i admit that. I used to vote for D66 or pvda. But both parties have changed form parties with ideals to parties with opportunistic politicians that can be bought. It used to be primarily the VVD and the CDA that would have politicians that could be bought by money. Since about 2 decades the pvda and since about a decade D66 can be found there as well IMHO. You may think that i am paranoid, you might want to look up at the jobs the politicians hold next to their political careers or right after the political career.

I did look at the D66 website a few months ago. It was only about how wonderful Europe is and that D66 makes itself strong for Europe. Now the website has changed and the message is changing. D66 is once again caring more about the Netherlands as they should do as a dutch party.

As a side note :
Artists and culture(festivals and parties payed by tax money) can only receive money after the education system is upgraded and cleaned up. But that is my opinion.

 

[Double Trouble]

William, you are wasting your time with idiots like mongoose and can-o-dumbass. In their view all whites are evil brown-people-hating-murderers who would like nothing better than to enslave all the other people of the world.

There's no point in discussing anything with them. Leave the trolls be.

 

[William Gaatjes]

William, you are wasting your time with idiots like mongoose and can-o-dumbass. In their view all whites are evil brown-people-hating-murderers who would like nothing better than to enslave all the other people of the world.

There's no point in discussing anything with them. Leave the trolls be.

I know you are right. But i am betting on other non US people who read this thread that the Netherlands is not the evil country as some make it to be.
I want to try to show a clear picture.

And canoworms is very likely a white supremacist.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Hmm, xinhua is (mainland) China's state news agency / mouthpiece of the Communist Party of China. This source could quite possibly be even more biased than Fox News. Has the AP or Reuters picked up on this story?

I did not realize some of you used that organization as a news source...

 

[Carmen813]

Good for them. There will be no backlash against immigrants who behave themselves. Everyone appreciates multiculturalism as far as new words, new foods, interesting new ways of dress, but the flip side - not learning the national language(s), not obeying the same laws, not upholding the same basic human rights values - doesn't enrich a nation so much as fracture and weaken it.

There will be no backlash against immigrants who behave themselves? I hope you don't honestly believe that. Of course there will be backlash. It will occur in the form of millions of micro-aggressions every single day. Look at our own country for easy examples.

The problem is that people appreciate the "easy" parts of multiculturalism and despise the "hard" parts that require actual work. Enjoying the food and clothing of diverse cultures does not make you multiculturally aware. It's very difficult to look at and accept the intrinsic value in belief systems that are different from the culture you were raised in. It requires constant ongoing self-evaluation and most people simply don't care.

Society collectively determines laws. Those who don't follow the law or abuse others don't get a special pass based on their culture as far as I know. Is it possible that enough of a population could gather to change the law in a way that oppresses someone else? As far as I can tell that would be impossible in the United States, or bare minimum it would take decades. That is what we have the Constitution for. It can be altered, but it takes a lot of effort. If it did reach that law has to reflect the will of the people, no matter who "the people" are.

As for language, I can't think of anything that epitomizes oppression more than forcing someone to speak a certain way. Especially since many ideas and cultural beliefs cannot be translated across languages. Forcing use of specific language is how culture is destroyed. All you need to do is read 1984 to know that

 

[William Gaatjes]

There will be no backlash against immigrants who behave themselves? I hope you don't honestly believe that. Of course there will be backlash. It will occur in the form of millions of micro-aggressions every single day. Look at our own country for easy examples.

The problem is that people appreciate the "easy" parts of multiculturalism and despise the "hard" parts that require actual work. Enjoying the food and clothing of diverse cultures does not make you multiculturally aware. It's very difficult to look at and accept the intrinsic value in belief systems that are different from the culture you were raised in. It requires constant ongoing self-evaluation and most people simply don't care.

Society collectively determines laws. Those who don't follow the law or abuse others don't get a special pass based on their culture as far as I know. Is it possible that enough of a population could gather to change the law in a way that oppresses someone else? As far as I can tell that would be impossible in the United States, or bare minimum it would take decades. That is what we have the Constitution for. It can be altered, but it takes a lot of effort. If it did reach that law has to reflect the will of the people, no matter who "the people" are.

As for language, I can't think of anything that epitomizes oppression more than forcing someone to speak a certain way. Especially since many ideas and cultural beliefs cannot be translated across languages. Forcing use of specific language is how culture is destroyed. All you need to do is read 1984 to know that

The Netherlands is a bit different from the US.
In the Netherlands this used to be a very common message :
"Acting normal will make you act crazy enough".
Cultures are accepted and integrated automatically if it is not to extreme.
Examples are that people with a non Christian background are not forced to celebrate or take free days at Christmas. Most do anyway. Some do not and prefer if the work allows it of course to take another day of. For example a celebration day of their faith. It is not uncommon. That is why a lot of people are also against extreme parties or extreme clothing. The individual that thinks that he or she can do what ever he or she wants because it is a free country does not understand what freedom is really about.

With the subject of language barriers. If people speak the language of the country that they live in, they can more clearly explain difficulties. It is very important to enforce the proper use of the language of the country people are in. Suppose you have someone from Poland who refuses to learn and speak English, how is that person going to find a job in the US ? Now there are some examples of partial solutions such as a book with pictures of tools but even then, explaining the daily planning is impossible and all the time someone must watch over the immigrants or labor people to check the work. That is not cheaper, it is more expensive then a native worker. No removing the language barrier is making it more easy to integrate. A lot of people i know who are not native dutch, but where foreigners and who have learned to adjust and learned the language, are now the higher educated and higher paid citizens. Foreign People with a high education who come to the Netherlands to start a new life have it easier to find a job in their profession when they speak and understand the language properly. It is that simple.

 

[Carmen813]

The Netherlands is a bit different from the US.
In the Netherlands this used to be a very common message :
"Acting normal will make you act crazy enough".
Cultures are accepted and integrated automatically if it is not to extreme.
Examples are that people with a non Christian background are not forced to celebrate or take free days at Christmas. Most do anyway. Some do not and prefer if the work allows it of course to take another day of. For example a celebration day of their faith. It is not uncommon. That is why a lot of people are also against extreme parties or extreme clothing. The individual that thinks that he or she can do what ever he or she wants because it is a free country does not understand what freedom is really about.

With the subject of language barriers. If people speak the language of the country that they live in, they can more clearly explain difficulties. It is very important to enforce the proper use of the language of the country people are in. Suppose you have someone from Poland who refuses to learn and speak English, how is that person going to find a job in the US ? Now there are some examples of partial solutions such as a book with pictures of tools but even then, explaining the daily planning is impossible and all the time someone must watch over the immigrants or labor people to check the work. That is not cheaper, it is more expensive then a native worker. No removing the language barrier is making it more easy to integrate. A lot of people i know who are not native dutch, but where foreigners and who have learned to adjust and learned the language, are now the higher educated and higher paid citizens. Foreign People with a high education who come to the Netherlands to start a new life have it easier to find a job in their profession when they speak and understand the language properly. It is that simple.

I am not arguing that it is a bad idea to learn the language that the majority use in order to function day to day. There are in fact many benefits and I would encourage people to do so despite it's inherent difficulty. However, I am stating that many ideas cannot be translated across language and by forcing conformity to a certain language you destroy culture.

Think of it this way. If I was going to move into a small African village that speaks an extremely rare language, I would want to learn their language and would try to do so. However, I would also want to keep my own language because that is the language that I have thought and experience emotion in my entire life.

As for integrating/assimilating cultures, it creates a lot of mental/emotional problems...particularly among first generation citizens. But that's another topic.

 

[William Gaatjes]

That is strange for me. The emotional content of my thoughts have nothing to do with the language i speak. I think in images and feel in emotions. For me personally, language is not that important.But that is just me and i cannot speak for other people of course. Nature creates all kinds of people, each a little different.

I should mention that about the celebration / holiday example, the workplace has to allow for it. Depending on the profession, there is more or less freedom and flexibility.

 

[nonlnear]

That is strange for me. The emotional content of my thoughts have nothing to do with the language i speak. I think in images and feel in emotions. For me personally, language is not that important.But that is just me and i cannot speak for other people of course. Nature creates all kinds of people, each a little different.

I should mention that about the celebration / holiday example, the workplace has to allow for it. Depending on the profession, there is more or less freedom and flexibility.

Just because you don't acknowledge that your native language affects how you think doesn't mean it doesn't. Granted it's not in sweeping, deterministic terms like some early theories, but there is a definite relationship there.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Just because you don't acknowledge that your native language affects how you think doesn't mean it doesn't. Granted it's not in sweeping, deterministic terms like some early theories, but there is a definite relationship there.

Why should my native language force me into a certain enclosed state of mind ?
In such a scenario, that is a limitation that i cause myself and is not my language. Language does not limit the understanding of a concept. It is the person himself or herself who does that. The refusal to have an open mind and understand. It is very common to pick up new words from another language for new concepts or construct words for new concepts from different words. The link you provided is useless psychobabble to me.

 

[nonlnear]

Why should my native language force me into a certain enclosed state of mind ?

I never said that it forces you into any particular state of mind. It does shape your perceptions though. Of course language doesn't preclude anyone from learning anything in particular. I wouldn't argue that.

In such a scenario, that is a limitation that i cause myself and is not my language. Language does not limit the understanding of a concept.

Actually it can, at times. If by limit you meant utterly prevent, then no. However it can create an impediment to one's decision to try to learn something. It can also make it difficult for a person from one language to perceive that there is something to be learned in the first place. For example, The English language has one word for snow. This linguistic poverty of mine has passively impeded me from perceiving subtleties of different snowfalls. It didn't prevent me from studying snow, but it put a set of blinders on my concept of snow by throwing a thousand different kinds of precipitation into one conceptual bucket. The task of discerning the weight, texture, drifting characteristics, etc. of a snowfall would be mentally laborious for me, possibly taking an entire paragraph of thought, while an Inuit person would make those distinctions with a single - almost unconscious - utterance.

It is the person himself or herself who does that. The refusal to have an open mind and understand. It is very common to pick up new words from another language for new concepts or construct words for new concepts from different words. The link you provided is useless psychobabble to me.

You didn't even look at it. Very little of it is psychobabble. It is a rare instance when a mainstream article about academic results gives an engaging summary, grounded in concrete examples, but this is actually a very well written and accessible article. For example there is pretty much no psychobabble at all in the part describing the language pertaining to spatial orientation in the Guugu Yimithirr language. You are just obstinate and lazy.

 

[CanOWorms]

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/majority-backs-new-integration-policy_157403.html

Majority backs new integration policy

Three quarters of the Dutch support the new government policy that requires immigrants to adapt to Dutch society and values, a weekly survey finds.
The policy is endorsed by most people voting for the conservative VVD and Christian Democrat CDA parties, which form the minority coalition, and supporters of the anti-Islam Freedom Party, which backs the cabinet in parliament.

The policy is also welcomed by two-thirds of Socialist Party voters and half of those who vote for Labour, the democrat party D66 and the Green Left party, Maurice de Hond’s weekly opinion poll suggests.

Fifty-eight percent of respondents took a negative view of the integration policy pursued by the four previous governments led by Christian Democrat Jan Peter Balkenende between 2002 and 2010.

Eighty-three percent of those surveyed say they support a government plan to ban burkas, a garment some Muslim women wear to cover their whole body, in all public spaces.

Even the Socialists in the Netherlands are ultra far-right when it comes to issues regarding minorities. 66% support this ethnic cleansing agenda! Overall, 83% of the Dutch support religious cleansing by banning the burka. How will the other 17% manage to re-integrate the 83%? For a country with a history of genocide and anti-minority violence, this is extremely scary.

What does it mean to "adapt to Dutch society and values?" Does this mean that they have to be anti-social and attack other minority groups? Why would anyone want immigrants to adapt to this culture? It should be the other way around in this case. The Dutch should be adapting to another culture since theirs is apparently infected.