The doughnut is bad for you.

[techs]

With the Medicare prescription drug plan going into effect in about 6 weeks its time to look at the deadly doughnut.
Check out this wacky drug plan. For the first 2,250 dollars of drug costs yearly the Medicare recipient will get about 66 percent in re-imbursement.
BUT at 2,250 dollars the Medicare drug plan STOPS until you reach 5,100 in drug costs. Leaving the senior citizen to pay the full cost of their drugs from 2,250 up to 5,100 dollars.
Thats the doughnut hole.
If thats not wacky enough for you try and buy health insurance coverage to cover the doughnut between 2,250 and 5,100. You CANNOT. Its illegal. Congress put it in the Medicare drug law. Their reason? You would then become "insensitive" to the cost of your drugs.
Have you ever heard of anything crazier?

 

[Strk]

The whole plan is crap and should be scrapped for a decent one.

 

[zendari]

Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

I believe I haven't used that many in my entire life, and I'm almost twice your age and have had major surgery. That said, my grandparents use that many prescription drugs every month. Aging is a tough thing.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Neither have I, but I'm not 80 years old with a heart condition either.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

Keep in mind that it is these hordes of Seniors thant made American the great country you and your folks choose to immigrate too.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

Keep in mind that it is these hordes of Seniors thant made American the great country you and your folks choose to immigrate too.

Because of Zen and the rest of his ilk I am glad I won;t be around because this once mighty Nation will be gone too.

We're witness to him and his ilk destryoing it right before our eyes and that is sad enough.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

Keep in mind that it is these hordes of Seniors thant made American the great country you and your folks choose to immigrate too.

Because of Zen and the rest of his ilk I am glad I won;t be around because this once mighty Nation will be gone too.

We're witness to him and his ilk destryoing it right before our eyes and that is sad enough.

Give it a break Dave, like you his is just part of the lunatic fringe and really has no influence on those who are capable of thinking for themselves.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

Keep in mind that it is these hordes of Seniors thant made American the great country you and your folks choose to immigrate too.

Presciption drugs and the companies and the people that work there have also made America the great country it is today, and for a fraction of the cost of seniors I might add.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

Keep in mind that it is these hordes of Seniors thant made American the great country you and your folks choose to immigrate too.

Because of Zen and the rest of his ilk I am glad I won;t be around because this once mighty Nation will be gone too.

We're witness to him and his ilk destryoing it right before our eyes and that is sad enough.

Give it a break Dave, like you his is just part of the lunatic fringe and really has no influence on those who are capable of thinking for themselves.

Then how do you explain the re-election of Bush???

 

[Moonbeam]

Well when the funds runn out we should at least sell one last bitter pill people can take for free.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Because of Zen and the rest of his ilk I am glad I won;t be around because this once mighty Nation will be gone too.

We're witness to him and his ilk destryoing it right before our eyes and that is sad enough.

Give it a break Dave, like you his is just part of the lunatic fringe and really has no influence on those who are capable of thinking for themselves.

Then how do you explain the re-election of Bush???

You, BBond, and the rest of the liberals here are great Republican Recruiters who alienated the country and mainstream America.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
Someone using $1500 a year of prescription drugs a year on someone else's bill is what is crazy.

I don't think I've used $1500 of prescription drugs in the last 10 years.

Man, I wish I could be around to see what happens when you get old.

When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

You mean the entirely uncompetitive prices created by ridiculous IP laws, bought and paid for by the drug companies?

Yes, those prices are something to write home about.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Presciption drugs and the companies and the people that work there have also made America the great country it is today, and for a fraction of the cost of seniors I might add.

Of course as we all know they put everything they had on ther line to keep American andnt he rest of the world free from Japanese and Nazi Tyranny like the Generation you are dismissing as leeches and drains on society:roll:

 

[charrison]

Sp does this mean we are not spending enough on the medicare drug bill? I could have swore everyone thought we were spending too much on it.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari
When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

You mean the entirely uncompetitive prices created by ridiculous IP laws, bought and paid for by the drug companies?

Yes, those prices are something to write home about.

Prices are soooooooooooooo high Americans have greatly increased their drug consumption in the past 5 years. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Prices aren't responsible for most of the prescription drug cost increases, raw quantities are.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari
When I get old all these ponzi schemes will be as dead as you will be.

No more 40 million seniors frivolously using 80% of the nations prescription drugs because the cheaper masked price leads to much higher excessive demand.

And the richbashers here hate the CEOs who make a piddly $100 million, nothing compared to the hordes of seniors in its effect on the cost of healthcare.

You mean the entirely uncompetitive prices created by ridiculous IP laws, bought and paid for by the drug companies?

Yes, those prices are something to write home about.

Prices are soooooooooooooo high Americans have greatly increased their drug consumption in the past 5 years. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Prices aren't responsible for most of the prescription drug cost increases, raw quantities are.

Uh... prices ARE sooooooooooo high. There's no competition in drugs, and the monopoly power of the pharmaceutical companies is protected by legislation - even public drug plans can't really negotiate for better prices.

Even in the world of drugs still undr patent, your prices are higher than other first-world nations - 50-100% higher than Canadian prices!

 

[Jhhnn]

The donut hole is just another way of favoring people with large incomes. Lots of seniors live on SS alone, which averages only $800/mo... so their money runs out in the middle of the donut hole, no matter what they really need... those of much greater means can fill the donut hole wth their own money, then start collecting again on the other side...

It says republican all over it- what else would you expect? equality?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari
Prices are soooooooooooooo high Americans have greatly increased their drug consumption in the past 5 years. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Prices aren't responsible for most of the prescription drug cost increases, raw quantities are.

Uh... prices ARE sooooooooooo high. There's no competition in drugs, and the monopoly power of the pharmaceutical companies is protected by legislation - even public drug plans can't really negotiate for better prices.

Even in the world of drugs still undr patent, your prices are higher than other first-world nations - 50-100% higher than Canadian prices!

So why is demand for American drugs so high and still rising compared to other countries?

Guess more and more Americans, especially the elderly, have trouble getting their hardons.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The donut hole is just another way of favoring people with large incomes. Lots of seniors live on SS alone, which averages only $800/mo... so their money runs out in the middle of the donut hole, no matter what they really need... those of much greater means can fill the donut hole wth their own money, then start collecting again on the other side...

It says republican all over it- what else would you expect? equality?

Last time i checked it passed with bipartisan support and everyone has been complaining about the cost of the program. So which is it does it cover too much or not enough?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari
Prices are soooooooooooooo high Americans have greatly increased their drug consumption in the past 5 years. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Prices aren't responsible for most of the prescription drug cost increases, raw quantities are.

Uh... prices ARE sooooooooooo high. There's no competition in drugs, and the monopoly power of the pharmaceutical companies is protected by legislation - even public drug plans can't really negotiate for better prices.

Even in the world of drugs still undr patent, your prices are higher than other first-world nations - 50-100% higher than Canadian prices!

So why is demand for American drugs so high and still rising compared to other countries?

Guess more and more Americans have trouble getting their hardons.

Maybe - but the drugs for that can pretty much be classified as recreational; really they only comparabe market is hookers - whatever men will pay for a partner to stick their hardon in, they'll probably pay for the hardon to stick in their partner.

I doubt viagra or any other such drug is covered by a government drug plan though, you might want to show large increases in per capita use of real medication, controlling for age of population, before you claim that prices aren't having any effect.

 

[Jhhnn]

I didn't offer that it covered too much or too little of anything, charrison, which you know full well. I offered that the benefit distribution scenario, the "donut", favored those at the top. Care to dispute that?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I didn't offer that it covered too much or too little of anything, charrison, which you know full well. I offered that the benefit distribution scenario, the "donut", favored those at the top. Care to dispute that?

I beleive in the not so distant past you were complaining about the cost of the program. I could be mistaken.