The dismantling of democracy in India will affect the whole world - and possibly give Trump ideas

[Indus]

1 in every 6 human beings on earth is Indian. When its most prominent dissident writer says her country is in the grip of “full-blown fascism” the world should take note.

https://amp.scroll.in/article/1055943/arundhati-roy-the-dismantling-of-democracy-in-india-will-affect-the-whole-world

They have mapped, step by step, India’s descent (although some see it as an ascent) into first majoritarianism and then full-blown fascism. Yes, India continue to have elections, and for that reason, in order to secure a reliable constituency, the ruling Bhartiya Janata Party’s message of Hindu supremacism has relentlessly been disseminated to a population of 1.4 billion people. Consequently, elections are a season of murder, lynching and dog-whistling – the most dangerous time for India’s minorities, Muslims and Christians in particular.

For all those who believe India is still a democracy – these are a few of the events that have happened just over the last few months. This is what I meant when I said we have moved into a different phase. The time for warnings is over, and we must fear sections of the people as much as we fear our leaders:

One of the other massacres was the gang rape of a 19-year-old and the murder of 14 members of her family including her 3-year-old daughter. Last August, the Modi government, on the very same day, pardoned the rapist-murderers who had been sentenced to life imprisonment . They had spent most of their jail time out on parole. And now they are free men.

An armed Railway Protection Force Officer walked down a train shooting Muslim passengers and calling on people to vote for Modi.

A hugely popular Hindu vigilante, often photographed hobnobbing with top politicians is the prime suspect accused in the murder of two young Muslims who were tied to a vehicle and burned alive in February.

The prime minister has had nothing to say about any of this. It is election season. Next May there will be a general election. It’s all part of an election campaign. We are braced for more bloodshed, mass killing, false-flag attacks, pretend-wars and anything to further polarise an already-polarised population.



Would anyone really be surprised if that stuff happens in America?

 

[Jaskalas]

1 in every 6 human beings on earth is Indian. When its most prominent dissident writer says her country is in the grip of “full-blown fascism” the world should take note.

I feel the following is deeply, directly, and imminently related to this topic.

Trudeau: 'Credible Allegations' Tie Indian Government To Assassination On Canadian Soil...

Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a strong supporter of an independent Sikh homeland, was gunned down in June outside a Sikh cultural center in British Columbia.​

Sounds like Modi has taken a page from Putin when it comes to assassinations on foreign soil. That and their GROWING ties to Russia AFTER the full scale invasion and GENOCIDE in Europe....
I don't know how we escape violent conflict, I would like to find a way, but India reeks of action directed against us. And if they have gone full murderous fascism, then we typically tell those types of governments to !@#$ off, ala North Korea and Cuba. Not exactly fertile ground for friendship.

OTOH, Nixon went to China, so anything is possible.

 

[Jaskalas]

OTOH, Nixon went to China, so anything is possible.

Gaining India as an Ally may first require the destruction of Russia. Where we swoop in and fill the void.
As they say... keep your friends close, and your enemies closer...?

Economic influence is certainly a HUGE preference over armed conflict. May not ever result in the positive change we would hope to see, human rights, but it is better than zero influence and a hell of a lot better than conflict. In short, we have no good and certainly no quick answers to this. Mostly, humans just suck.

 

[gothuevos]

Rwanda Radio vibes.

 

[Lezunto]

Are you claiming Trump does not already have ideas? He does. He simply does not want anyone who 's serious about opposing him to be credible.

 

[VashHT]

Really sad how easy it is to get people to do such disgusting things in the name of religion. I just looked it up and 80% of India is Hindu, do they really have anything to fear from the tiny minority of other religions? It sucks shit is so messed up there, I'd love to visit India but my wife doesn't even want to go back there even though she lived there for quite a while.

 

[nakedfrog]

Project 2025...

 

[tweaker2]

Modi is exploiting hate, fear and suspicion of minorities to stay in power the same as the GOP is doing right here in the USA. The big difference being the GOP is itself a minority choking itself to death by on the one hand preaching racist dogma religious zealotry to unify its party that in effect disassociates and alienates themselves further and further away from mainstream America, that represents the majority of Americans that chose Joe Bien over Trump.

With Modi, a man who seeks to perpetuate his rule over his nation just like the GOP is attempting to do, democracy will ultimately be the victim. Dictatorships, even those that operate under the guise of being democracies are making headway the world over by those that sell themselves off as the only answer against these imaginary threats and hoax conspiracies that authoritarians the world over exploit to their advantage.

The real threat are those millions of dupes the world over who buy into these horrific hoaxes because stirring fear and hate easily overcomes the need to be realistic and logical in trying times, times that have been engineered to be that way by those that can exploit it to their advantage.

 

[Indus]

Modi is exploiting hate, fear and suspicion of minorities to stay in power the same as the GOP is doing right here in the USA. The big difference being the GOP is itself a minority choking itself to death by on the one hand preaching racist dogma religious zealotry to unify its party that in effect disassociates and alienates themselves further and further away from mainstream America, that represents the majority of Americans that chose Joe Bien over Trump.

With Modi, a man who seeks to perpetuate his rule over his nation just like the GOP is attempting to do, democracy will ultimately be the victim. Dictatorships, even those that operate under the guise of being democracies are making headway the world over by those that sell themselves off as the only answer against these imaginary threats and hoax conspiracies that authoritarians the world over exploit to their advantage.

The real threat are those millions of dupes the world over who buy into these horrific hoaxes because stirring fear and hate easily overcomes the need to be realistic and logical in trying times, times that have been engineered to be that way by those that can exploit it to their advantage.

I think you might be slightly naive there.

The GOP might not be doing itself any favors but it calls it a good tradeoff that they're losing intelligent peeps for the White Supremacists and Religious Nuts. So they in effect portray themselves as the defenders of white skin and jesus christ which on some point attracts voters.

74 million people voted for Trump last time.. that's not a small number. So he's atleast able to exploit that many to his own advantage.. enough to win elections and once in power.. they can do whatever the hell they want.

 

[BoomerD]

I don't keep up on what we buy from whom...so, other than cheap call centers, what does the USA need from India?

 

[Indus]

I don't keep up on what we buy from whom...so, other than cheap call centers, what does the USA need from India?

I think the H1-B visa is exclusively programmers from India??

That we could probably do without.

However India makes a lot of cheap generic meds.. that would really come back to bite us because I don't see another source.

 

[BoomerD]

I think the H1-B visa is exclusively programmers from India??

That we could probably do without.

However India makes a lot of cheap generic meds.. that would really come back to bite us because I don't see another source.

Unfortunately, so does China...

 

[Braznor]

Absurd delusions by the usual suspects on this site.

 

[sandorski]

Absurd delusions by the usual suspects on this site.

Cool.

 

[Meghan54]

I think the H1-B visa is exclusively programmers from India??

That we could probably do without.

However India makes a lot of cheap generic meds.. that would really come back to bite us because I don't see another source.

Cheap generics like the generic eye drops made by Indian “pharmaceutical” manufacturers, sold in the US, and caused dozens of infections of a bacteria heretofore unseen in the US. Not to mention several who suffered from said infections had to have eyeballs removed to treat the infection.

Recalled eyedrops causing blindness: What to know about drug-resistant bacteria

The bacterium Pseudomonas aeruginosa, which mutated over time to evade most treatments, had not been found in the U.S. until last year.

www.nbcnews.com

U.S. FDA says India-made eye drop linked to some infections, blindness and one death

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has warned against using an eye drop made in India that has been linked to the outbreak of a drug-resistant bacteria leading to adverse events in at least 55 patients in the United States including infections, blindness and one death.

www.reuters.com

 

[Indus]

Cheap generics like the generic eye drops made by Indian “pharmaceutical” manufacturers, sold in the US, and caused dozens of infections of a bacteria heretofore unseen in the US. Not to mention several who suffered from said infections had to have eyeballs removed to treat the infection.

Recalled eyedrops causing blindness: What to know about drug-resistant bacteria

The bacterium Pseudomonas aeruginosa, which mutated over time to evade most treatments, had not been found in the U.S. until last year.

www.nbcnews.com

U.S. FDA says India-made eye drop linked to some infections, blindness and one death

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has warned against using an eye drop made in India that has been linked to the outbreak of a drug-resistant bacteria leading to adverse events in at least 55 patients in the United States including infections, blindness and one death.

www.reuters.com

Yeah the fake market for meds in India itself is HUGE.

I thought we went through strict quality control before we imported but I guess not.

 

[Indus]

Absurd delusions by the usual suspects on this site.

Funny thing is no one would miss you.

No one misses fascists.

Go to Russia and fuck off and die in Ukraine you Putin puppet.

 

[Braznor]

Funny thing is no one would miss you.

No one misses fascists.

Go to Russia and fuck off and die in Ukraine you Putin puppet.

Wrong country, idiot. Pretty much like your allegations, your ramblings are devoid of any sense or facts on the ground.

 

[dank69]

Absurd delusions by the usual suspects on this site.

Are you saying they didn't pardon rapists? Is that a delusion?

 

[Indus]

Wrong country, idiot.

Really? You sure seem to be slobbering all over Putin's cock and displaying it vividly over the past year and a half in the Russia invading Ukraine thread.

 

[mikeymikec]

Absurd delusions by the usual suspects on this site.

“...they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true, though he was later discovered to be lying.”
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― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

 

[Indus]

Are you saying they didn't pardon rapists? Is that a delusion?

Bilkis Bano: India PM Modi's government okayed rapists' release

The 11 men were convicted for the gangrape of Bilkis Bano and murder of her family members in Gujarat riots.

www.bbc.com

Pretty sure he can't argue against that but he will try..

The hilarious thing is.. he will claim it to be anti-hindu and anti-indian sentiment but the author herself is both Hindu and Indian. She's written books and produced two TV series about the Independence of India from Great Britain.

Difficult to believe she's anti-Indian or anti-Hindu. She just happens to be anti-fascist, anti-violence, and pro human rights.

 

[Braznor]

The notion that democracy is in danger in India because of the BJP is absurd. The notion that democracy will end in India if the BJP wins the next election is downright delusional.

 

[Braznor]

Bilkis Bano: India PM Modi's government okayed rapists' release

The 11 men were convicted for the gangrape of Bilkis Bano and murder of her family members in Gujarat riots.

www.bbc.com

Pretty sure he can't argue against that but he will try..

The hilarious thing is.. he will claim it to be anti-hindu and anti-indian sentiment but the author herself is both Hindu and Indian. She's written books and produced two TV series about the Independence of India from Great Britain.

Difficult to believe she's anti-Indian or anti-Hindu. She just happens to be anti-fascist, anti-violence, and pro human rights.

Lying about stuff I have said nothing about. I see. It's the standard course for you and this place.

 

[Braznor]

The notion that India is doomed is not new in the West. The West has been awaiting India's failure since independence.