I'm curious...What was Vic Rawl's margin of victory in his district/county wherever he was from or represented?
His opponent had a familiar name to "Al Green" but I doubt that had much effect on the race. How many black people have won primaries in South Carolina for Senate or Governor? How many percentage of registered Democrats in South Carolina are Black? How many percent of Black vote did each candidate get in the entire state primary? How many percent of white vote? Any exit polls data??? I realize exit polls data for primaries are hard to come by so if it's impossible to find one, it's okay.
You wouldn't fault the voters for not doing their own research on who they're voting for? The buck stops with them.
I'm just glad I don't have to vote in S. Carolina. Could it really come down to "which one could do the least damage"?
Sort of like needing complicated brain surgery in 24hrs or die; and having to choose whether Forrest Gump or Dr. Strangelove will perform it.
Sort of like needing complicated brain surgery in 24hrs or die; and having to choose whether Forrest Gump or Dr. Strangelove will perform it.
You can have someone else do it.
In this case that would be the "Green Party" candidate Tom Clements, and not the idiots Jim DeMint or Alvin Greene.
werepossum
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Liberals/progressives start with the world view that most people are stupid worthless buckets of spit and that only a small minority of enlightened elite are bright enough to make decisions. Under this world view voters can bear no blame for failure to do their own research; their duty is to do as they are told by their betters.
LOL Dude, it's ALWAYS "which one could do the least damage".
The Green Party is no different from the American Communist Party. If you're going to be a bear, at least be a freakin' grizzly.
Thump553
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Complete made up BS-again and absolutely nonsensical. Liberalism is all about uplifting all of society. You confuse authoritarianism with liberalism, whereas in the last thirty years the vast amount of authoritarian impositions from Washington have come from the right. For example, was it the liberals that made a flag burning constitutional amendment one of their cornerstones for years? Opposition to civil rights for gays?
Actually I think this sort of cynicism is most prevalent among the authoritarian/so-called moral conservative brand, and among conservatives in general.
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It appears I was insufficiently detailed in my previous post.
There was little information readily available on either Democratic senatorial candidate, and there was little interest in the contest even within the Democratic Party. Senator DeMented was an overwhelming favorite for reelection regardless of who won the Democratic nomination to oppose him.
It would have taken a significant effort to learn anything about the candidates beyond the most basic biographical data, as neither candidate did any appreciable campaigning and neither candidate received any significant publicity until after the primary election. The primary voters were faced with the choice between an obscure County Councilman who had once served in the State Legislature and a veteran running for his first political office. This, in an election where the "winner" was considered doomed no matter how great an effort he and the state party exerted in the general election.
The electorate was indeed somewhat remiss in failing to learn more about the candidates prior to the primary, but I still hold the State Democratic Party and their chosen candidate, Councilman Rawl, more culpable in their failure to make even the most rudimentary effort to secure the nomination for the more credible representative of South Carolina Democrats.
There was little information readily available on either Democratic senatorial candidate, and there was little interest in the contest even within the Democratic Party. Senator DeMented was an overwhelming favorite for reelection regardless of who won the Democratic nomination to oppose him.
It would have taken a significant effort to learn anything about the candidates beyond the most basic biographical data, as neither candidate did any appreciable campaigning and neither candidate received any significant publicity until after the primary election. The primary voters were faced with the choice between an obscure County Councilman who had once served in the State Legislature and a veteran running for his first political office. This, in an election where the "winner" was considered doomed no matter how great an effort he and the state party exerted in the general election.
The electorate was indeed somewhat remiss in failing to learn more about the candidates prior to the primary, but I still hold the State Democratic Party and their chosen candidate, Councilman Rawl, more culpable in their failure to make even the most rudimentary effort to secure the nomination for the more credible representative of South Carolina Democrats.
werepossum
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Oh, Democrats are perfectly good warriors for groups, just not for individuals. I like your other point though.
Democrats - uplifting all of society by opposing a Constitutional Amendment against flag burning. Because we care.
Yeah. I feel more uplifted already.
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Not if it's your own flag. Then it's just silly, rude behavior. Or possibly burning without a permit.
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Can there be a statement more political than that of burning a flag? Is there any speech more important to protect than political speech? Is there a point to having a First Amendment if the only speech it protects is popular speech?
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I find flag burning more offensive than burning mundane things, but I don't support Amendments to stop people from offending me. My point was that it isn't arson if you own the flag. And I support bra burning. Free the Springfield Two!
I agree with all of this. I do not however agree that opposing an anti-flag burning Amendment is somehow "uplifting all of society", even though I also oppose such an Amendment. At the very best it's uplifting smelly left wing hippies and crazed anti-American types, and I would totally be in favor of such an Amendment because of this - except that my principles get in the way. I do not support removing the rights of people even when I find them offensive both intentionally and unintentionally. But once again: Thump was using the Democrat Party's opposition to an anti-flag burning Amendment as an example of their "uplifting all of society"; THAT is where I disagreed.
Just to be perfectly clear for those reading-impaired types (not her & Joe):
1. I do not support an Amendment prohibiting the burning of the American flag.
2. I do find such things offensive and juvenile.
3. I find these burnings are almost exclusively carried out by people for whom I already have not the slightest modicum of respect.
4. I find prohibition of flag burning no more restrictive of free speech than many provisions of hate crime legislation.
5. I do not support an Amendment prohibiting the burning of the American flag.
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I'll simply let each compare for herself.
http://www.gp.org
http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/2004platform.pdf
http://cpusa.org
http://cpusa.org/faq/
You'll have to interpolate for yourself the American Communist Party's platform, as they took it down during the election. (It was amazingly similar to Obama's agenda. In fact, there's a great deal of similarity in all parties' platforms; to the degree that each party wants a majority of people to believe that the party is representative of their values, each party addresses major majority points.) There may exist a cached copy somewhere.
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If Alvin Greene were elected, could he possibly do worse than our other nation's senators or DeMint? Why not elect him? What do we have to lose other than the performance of DeMint.
Why not elect the Green Party candidate? Why must it only be Democrats vs Republicans?
We have a clear choice here, but yet an idiot in this thread is still advocating voting for Alvin Greene?
I have never voted for independent or 3rd party candidates in my entire life...but if I was a South Carolina resident, this would be my 1st such vote.
Can a SC resident answer this question?
Is there one currently scheduled? If not, who was the one that declined to debate?
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Demint said no back in Sept. Haven't heard anything else.
http://freedomslighthouse.net/2010/...are-in-the-white-house-and-in-congress-video/
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