The DFI LanParty UT NF4 SLI-DR limits memory to 333MHz

TailsNZ

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I heard that DFI LanParty UT NF4 SLI-DR "running 4 DIMMs will reset the memory controller to 333MHz with a 2t command rate, which will give you a pretty big hit in performance." But wasn't able to find any information about it on the forum here.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks!
 

Bona Fide

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I was pretty sure that almost all nForce4 motherboards will do that...maybe there are a couple of exceptions. But I'm quite confident that 4 DIMM's results in an automatic speed reduction down to 166mhz.
 

Capt Caveman

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4 Dimms will give you 2T. In regards to the memory speed dropping to 333mhz, depends on the memory controller on your cpu. Rev E (Venice, San Diego, Manchester and Toledo) will run at 400mhz with 4 dimms.
 

TailsNZ

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Ah ok, my cpu is the X2 4400+, so that's a Toledo I see. So the speed will be at 400mhz with 4 dimms, but the timing 2T. How much of an effect does that have? (more on that further down the post)

I read articles here and article here which were great reads. The first is someone who picked mostly the same parts as I'm getting, and he mentions how (and links to a review on this site) Command Rate between 1T and 2T is in reality on a few % difference in performance.

So I think I'll go for the 2 x 1gb sticks, then at a later date add another 2.

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In the second article linked there, it's about understanding what memory timings mean, also a good (if a bit too technical for myself) read. For the first four numbers at least, comparing a 512mb stick with a 1gb stick, the speeds are:

2-2-2-5 - OCZ Gold VX PC-4000 512mb
2-3-2-5 - OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Platinum

It's the second timing that's different, and about the second number, "the performance impact of this setting is often neglible, as memory tries to store data from programs in sequential order. It tries to keep the same row for a single program, and ordered columns to reduce the time for tRCD." So there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference, but then I'm missing the last two numbers of the timing.

I also made a note that if you run a bus side speed of 500mhz instead of 400, you get a 25% increase in speed there. I wonder if that's something easily done on the DFI Lanparty... I guess so since it's reffered to as an overclockers dream so often? Or at the very least my "Toledo" X2 4400+ CPU should keep it at 400mhz instead of dropping to 333mhz if I understand correctly.

(phew, complex, haha!)
 

imported_essjae

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Capt. Caveman,

Why do you think its the CPU? I can run the same 4 DIMMS at 400MHz on a VIA chipset, but when I try to do it with my new DFI nF4 board, they run at 333MHz. This is with both a 4000+ and a 4800+. Manually setting the RAM to 200FSB just prevents the board from booting.

It seems more like an nForce bios issue than a CPU issue.

 

Hacp

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The difference in performance equals about the difference between the 4200+ and the 4400+.
 
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Originally posted by: essjae
Capt. Caveman,

Why do you think its the CPU? I can run the same 4 DIMMS at 400MHz on a VIA chipset, but when I try to do it with my new DFI nF4 board, they run at 333MHz. This is with both a 4000+ and a 4800+. Manually setting the RAM to 200FSB just prevents the board from booting.

It seems more like an nForce bios issue than a CPU issue.

Why don't you think it's a CPU?
AMD64 CPU's have integrated memory controllers. Those memory controllers do not support stock 400MHz with four sticks with the older cores like the NewCastles, ClawHammers and Winchesters.
 

cronic

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Originally posted by: Kensai
Originally posted by: essjae
Capt. Caveman,

Why do you think its the CPU? I can run the same 4 DIMMS at 400MHz on a VIA chipset, but when I try to do it with my new DFI nF4 board, they run at 333MHz. This is with both a 4000+ and a 4800+. Manually setting the RAM to 200FSB just prevents the board from booting.

It seems more like an nForce bios issue than a CPU issue.

Why don't you think it's a CPU?
AMD64 CPU's have integrated memory controllers. Those memory controllers do not support stock 400MHz with four sticks with the older cores like the NewCastles, ClawHammers and Winchesters.

exactly