The Derek Chauvin / George Floyd Trial

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SKORPI0

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Count 1 (second-degree unintentional murder ) - 270 months, with credit of 199 days. Possible parole in 15 years, with good behavior.
Count 2 (third-degree murder) and 3 (second-degree manslaughter).
 
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Scarpozzi

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For suffocation death, 22 years doesn't sound like enough. I never saw the video of him being cuffed....just the video of him on the ground.

Did Floyd assault the cops or commit any violence? Or were the cops just being jerks without being provoked?
 

SKORPI0

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For suffocation death, 22 years doesn't sound like enough. I never saw the video of him being cuffed....just the video of him on the ground.

Did Floyd assault the cops or commit any violence? Or were the cops just being jerks without being provoked?

 

Fenixgoon

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He'll be sixty when he gets out. Still young enough to be a danger to society.
On the one hand, I don't like how overly punitive how legal system frequently is. On the other hand, this guy murdered in cold blood as a police officer, and definitely deserves the book thrown at him.

I'll take 22 provided he can never serve in any sort of public safety capacity again. No badges, no guns, no legal use of force of any kind.
 
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Viper1j

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He'll be sixty when he gets out. Still young enough to be a danger to society.

The Fed sentence will be stacked.

If he gets out, it will be with the aid of a walker.

But that odorous smell in the air, is the result of the 3 remaining cops busily shitting their pants
 
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JEDI

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Count 1 (second-degree unintentional murder ) - 270 months, with credit of 199 days. Possible parole in 15 years, with good behavior.
Count 2 (third-degree murder) and 3 (second-degree manslaughter).
so whats the sentencing for counts 2 and 3?
will it be announced some other time? if so, why wasnt it announced at same time?

also, The sentence exceeds the Minnesota sentencing guideline range of 10 years and eight months to 15 years for the crime.

but Under Minnesota law, Chauvin will have to serve two-thirds of his sentence in prison (15 years), and he will be eligible for supervised release for the other seven and a half years. :eek:

so i guess Chauvin will do the Minnesota sentencing guideline range of 15yrs in jail. Smart judge
 

sportage

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Get out...? GET OUT...? Get out...? Really?
This will be yet another rally cry for Donald Trump in 2024 thus a president Donald Trump granting a full pardon to Chauvin. AND TRUMP WILL, if given the opportunity. I know my Trumpie relatives are very upset that Chauvin was found guilty of ANYTHING.

There is definitely a storm brewing. A storm on how the country will feel come 2022 and more so come 2024. Trump created a new hate across America in 2015/2016 that got him elected president, and I wonder if Trump can do it all over again come 2024? You got the border and the illegals and the economy and the BLMatter and the QAnon's and the insurrectionist and Mitch McConnell and the republican senators/governors plus add in there Joe Manchin.... so anything is possible. The cards are stacking up against the Biden agenda and against democrats holding the house and senate come 2022. I predict what will happen in 2024 will all depend on what happens in 2022. But anyway, and back to topic, Chauvin "could be" pardoned easily by Donald Trump "if" and when there is another "president" Donald Trump. And the Chauvin sentence could be another deciding factor for whether or not we have a future president Donald Trump. There is a storm brewing and that storm along with this Chauvin sentencing could blow Donald Trump back into the presidency, Good for Chauvin, bad for America.
 
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Jaskalas

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And the sentence is 270 months. Less time (199 days) served. I think it could have been more, but I am not a judge.

He'll get out just in time to be decrepit, helpless and on the street.
If prisoners don't kill him first.
 

Vic

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What some people choose not to understand, possibly due to the influence of power-seeking politicians leading chants of law and order, is that if Chauvin had been able to get away with murdering Floyd, regardless of what he might have done, then any other govt agent could have been able to get away with murdering them. And not just all else being equal, but under most any circumstance. Because there is no doubt from watching the video that Chauvin executed Floyd. But there was no judge and no jury, and those 2 things are absolutely required for there to be law and order. And to keep a govt from murdering its citizens.
 

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On the one hand, I don't like how overly punitive how legal system frequently is. On the other hand, this guy murdered in cold blood as a police officer, and definitely deserves the book thrown at him.

I'll take 22 provided he can never serve in any sort of public safety capacity again. No badges, no guns, no legal use of force of any kind.

His sentence includes not being able to own firearms, ammunition, or explosives for the remainder of his life.


Get out...? GET OUT...? Get out...? Really?
This will be yet another rally cry for Donald Trump in 2024 thus a president Donald Trump granting a full pardon to Chauvin. AND TRUMP WILL, if given the opportunity. I know my Trumpie relatives are very upset that Chauvin was found guilty of ANYTHING.

There is definitely a storm brewing. A storm on how the country will feel come 2022 and more so come 2024. Trump created a new hate across America in 2015/2016 that got him elected president, and I wonder if Trump can do it all over again come 2024? You got the border and the illegals and the economy and the BLMatter and the QAnon's and the insurrectionist and Mitch McConnell and the republican senators/governors plus add in there Joe Manchin.... so anything is possible. The cards are stacking up against the Biden agenda and against democrats holding the house and senate come 2022. I predict what will happen in 2024 will all depend on what happens in 2022. But anyway, and back to topic, Chauvin "could be" pardoned easily by Donald Trump "if" and when there is another "president" Donald Trump. And the Chauvin sentence could be another deciding factor for whether or not we have a future president Donald Trump. There is a storm brewing and that storm along with this Chauvin sentencing could blow Donald Trump back into the presidency, Good for Chauvin, bad for America.
No President can issue a pardon as this is a state level conviction. The President can only pardon federal level.
 
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I thought 22 years is reasonable, if he in fact had to serve those entire 22 years. However, it seems he could be out in as few as 15 years, and that seems a bit short. It does set a precedent of sorts though, especially since the Blue Line cracked to testify against him. It will be interesting to read the details of the Judge's decision when it is released.

Edit: He could not be pardoned by Trump, but what if a Trump supporter or other "law and order" republican came into office as Governor. As I understand it, he could grant a pardon for state crimes. Normally I would say that could not happen in Minnesota, but Republicans already control the state House of Representatives, and are very strong in outstate areas.
 

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I thought 22 years is reasonable, if he in fact had to serve those entire 22 years. However, it seems he could be out in as few as 15 years, and that seems a bit short. It does set a precedent of sorts though, especially since the Blue Line cracked to testify against him. It will be interesting to read the details of the Judge's decision when it is released.

Edit: He could not be pardoned by Trump, but what if a Trump supporter or other "law and order" republican came into office as Governor. As I understand it, he could grant a pardon for state crimes. Normally I would say that could not happen in Minnesota, but Republicans already control the state House of Representatives, and are very strong in outstate areas.

In Minnesota, the Governor does not issue pardon's, the Board of Pardon's does, which the Governor is 1 of 3 on the board. He also not eligible to apply for a pardon until he's been discharged for 10 years (released from prison).

Board of Pardons
Minnesota offers people who have been convicted of a crime the opportunity to be pardoned, if they can demonstrate that they have reformed and are living as law abiding citizens. When a Pardon Extraordinary is granted many of the lingering consequences of criminal conviction are lifted. The individual is no longer required to report the conviction, except in limited circumstances. However, it is important to note that the conviction will remain a matter of public record, but the fact of the Pardon Extraordinary will be placed in the record as well.



In Minnesota, the authority to grant clemency rests with the Board of Pardons, which is made up of the Governor, the Attorney General, and the Chief Justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court. The board holds two public meetings a year to consider applications.

Waiting period: (1) If the applicant was convicted of a "crime of violence" (determined by Minn. Stat. 624.712), ten years must have elapsed since the sentence expired. During that time the person must not have been convicted of any other crime (felony drug convictions are considered crimes of violence). (2) Applicants not convicted of crimes of violence may apply for a pardon five years after the expiration of their sentences. During that time they must not have been convicted of any other crime (including misdemeanors and misdemeanor traffic violations such as DWI). If an applicant commits a new crime during the waiting period, the waiting period is reset and starts over again from the time the applicant is discharged from probation for the new crime.

 
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kage69

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Seems low to me too.

The odds of Chauvin being slowly choked to death in prison at some point, those seem higher though.
 

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In Minnesota, the Governor does not issue pardon's, the Board of Pardon's does, which the Governor is 1 of 3 on the board. He also not eligible to apply for a pardon until he's been discharged for 10 years (released from prison).





Oh good news about the potential of a pardon in Mn. Was afraid a future orange monkey butt kisser would grant a pardon.
 

HomerJS

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Shes an ass. Saying he is her favortite. What mother says that? No wonder hes a POS.
Just to show what low lives the Chauvin family are not once did the mother mention the Floyd family loss. In class the complete opposite of the Floyd's
 
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It will be interesting to read the details of the Judge's decision when it is released.


what about sentencing on the other 2 charges he was convicted of?

Per Minnesota law, he was only sentenced for the top (most severe) charge.

For recap, the charges were:

1) causing the death of a human being, without intent, while committing or attempting to commit an assault (second-degree murder);
2) unintentionally causing a death by committing an act that is eminently dangerous to other persons while exhibiting a depraved mind, with reckless disregard for human life (third-degree murder);
3) and creating an unreasonable risk, by consciously taking the chance of causing death or great bodily harm to someone else (manslaughter).