The Democrats are effectively DOA.

[Pyrokinetic]

First off, I despise both political parties. Bush got us in this war and mess and continues to pile on stupidity after stupidity. We need change, but where the heck is the opposition?

In my opinion, the Democrats have their heads so far up their rear ends they are navel gazing from the inside. Bush has the lowest approval ratings since Nixon, and the Democrats are playing Keystone Cops. Pelosi, Reid, Dean, and the rest of the party leadership might as well hire Newt Gingrich to come consult for them, as they seem incapable of forming a unified platform with solidarity. http://www.slate.com/id/2137731/

And why the heck is everyone paying attention to Sheehan, when she dons her mantle of outraged grief and demands are troops be brought home now? Such stupidity! Such lack of thought! Lock the heartstrings and put the brain into gear. If we leave before Iraq is stable, the country is going to descend into choas and possible genocide. Guess who the world will blame for that? Every American, as they will not distinguish between those who supported Bush and those who did not. Want a UN chant to remove ourselves from the Security Council? So go ahead, bring our troops home before it is safe to do so. So even with a Democrat in the Oval Office, our troops will have to stay for some time, because pointing the finger at Bush will not make American unpopularity go away in the world. People outside of the country will lump Bush and the rest of us into one big pile.

Between the Repubs and Dems, I think this country is screwed with either one.

 

[techs]

Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: techs
Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

If you leave Iraq before it's in peace i will despise those leaders more than i will Bush.

 

[Agman]

And how exactly do they plan to do that? Waving a magic wand and suddenly all of the debt is gone, Iraq is safe? I don't blame you for being optimistic but please be realistic.

Another thing, when you said "Bush stole power" what do you mean? It wasn't him that gave the ruling in 2000 it was the Supreme Court. Unless of course you say that he had the judges in his pocket (which I personally don't beleive is true).

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: techs
Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

If you leave Iraq before it's in peace i will despise those leaders more than i will Bush.

If we were to pack up and leave it would probably "be in peace" in a matter of months. We just don't know who their leader would be.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: techs
Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

You really are a sheeple arent you?

Deficits to surplus's?
Get out of Iraq?

What next, the democrats have a firesale on Ocean front property in ND and you come cash in hand?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pyrokinetic
Bush got us in this war and mess and continues to pile on stupidity after stupidity.
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And why the heck is everyone paying attention to Sheehan, when she dons her mantle of outraged grief and demands are troops be brought home now? Such stupidity! Such lack of thought!

If, in one breath, you can knock Bush for his idiotic war of lies, how can you, in the next breath, knock Cindy Sheehan for standing up to him and calling him on it? If you feel your own outrage, and you don't understand hers, the stupidity and lack of thought is in your post.

 

[Steeplerot]

If the dems can't see that cons are laying out the mats long knocked out from punching themselves in the face so many times and step up now to lead how the hell are they going to effectively fix this mess the cons made?

Seems to me they are too scared and confused over the WoT to make any stand.

I can see why, go ahead let the cons make total corrupt idiots out of themselves so they can slide in without putting any effort in by being the default opposition.

Playing it "safe" while cons rape the economy and lead us into stupid wars is akin to being a part of it.
Both of them are scum imo.
And I don't think this is anything new, this is just business as usual in american politics.

 

[Pyrokinetic]

Originally posted by: techs
Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

Slate in no conservative mouthpiece like Fauxnews, so yeah.

Wipe the floor? At the rate the Dems are going, not likely.

Policies and plans of Bush? Not one-sided passings these were, many were blessed with Dem support. If you think the Patriot Act is going to go away under Dems, you are sadly mistaken.

Deficits will turn to surpluses? What? Like Clinton? Maybe I wouldn't be so cynical if congress would stop borrowing the Social Security surpluses EVERY SINGLE YEAR --including under Clinton.

Get out of the quagmire? Yeah? How to do that without genocide, civil war, or the world hating us all the more? Hmmm? Where is the Dem plan to do so?

I am old enough and cynical enough to know that both parties are incapable of jack sh-t. This country is just dumb enough to drive itself into bankruptcy sometime in the not-do-distant future.

 

[Pyrokinetic]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pyrokinetic
Bush got us in this war and mess and continues to pile on stupidity after stupidity.
.
.
.
And why the heck is everyone paying attention to Sheehan, when she dons her mantle of outraged grief and demands are troops be brought home now? Such stupidity! Such lack of thought!

If, in one breath, you can knock Bush for his idiotic war of lies, how can you, in the next breath, knock Cindy Sheehan for standing up to him and calling him on it? If you feel your own outrage, and you don't understand hers, the stupidity and lack of thought is in your post.

How can I? Cause she is as stupid as he is. Calling him on it? Yeah, thats helpful, tell me something I didn't already know. I AGREE Bush needs to go, Sheehan brings NOTHING to the table in regards to a solution, neither do her supporters. Some bunch of fools think withdrawing from Iraq will make everything better. Simple-minded and dangerously idealistic. Just like Bush.

 

[conjur]

Big surprise someone in love with the DLC and used to write for the DLC-dandy rag: The New Republic would be critical of Democrats that don't represent the corporate whores of the DLC.

How about this for a different perspective:

Turning the Tables
For once, the Democrats are getting their act together while it's the Republicans who are divided
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1179973,00.html

And, besides, that author is from my hometown.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pyrokinetic
Sheehan brings NOTHING to the table in regards to a solution, neither do her supporters.

Of course, she does. She was among the first to bring a human face of a greiving civilian mother who lost her son to the Bushwhackos' war of lies and stick it right in Bush's lying face in high public profile.

She's not alone, but she's the one who got the headlines, and she's wisely using the attention to keep the public's attention on the problem. More power to her. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[arsbanned]

I'm not convinced they are DOA. Yet.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: techs
Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

Just like the Democrats wiped the floor in '04. :laugh:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs
Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

Just like the Democrats wiped the floor in '04. :laugh:

Just like "The Hammer" is back?

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
Just like the Democrats wiped the floor in '04. :laugh:

You may want to hold onto that laugh until after November when the entire nation rises up to sweep out the rest of Abramoff's crooks in congress to join DeLay in the slammer. With any luck, it'll be time to start trying that butt gang in Whitehouse crew for TREASON! :|

 

[Lemon law]

The repubs were dead after Goldwater---after Nixon--and now some will say after GWB lays an egg.

There is an old saying that Repubs get into office by complaining government does not work--and once they get into office they proceed to prove government does not work. The dims will come back and proceed to prove they can muck things up also.

But the American middle class will have to really suffer before they wise up and throw the rascals---tweedle dee and tweedle dumber---out of office---and start getting office holders who know that the middle class is what wags the dog called America.
And no amount of advertising dollars will fool an angry electorate.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: techs
Just because Slate says so you believe it?
The Democrats will wipe the floor with the Republicans in November.
And the policies and plans that were in effect before the Bushies stole power will be re-enacted.
Deficits will turn to surpluses.
And we will get out of the quagmire in Iraq.

If you leave Iraq before it's in peace i will despise those leaders more than i will Bush.

Iraq won't be in piece until it goes through it's civil war and then comes out either a whole nation ruled over by one strong handed dictator styled leader similar to Saddam or as 3 separate nations. Sorry to break the news to you but that is the nature of a country that never existed until the British carved it out with their ruler and pencils after WW1.

 

[addinator]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pyrokinetic
Sheehan brings NOTHING to the table in regards to a solution, neither do her supporters.

Of course, she does. She was among the first to bring a human face of a greiving civilian mother who lost her son to the Bushwhackos' war of lies and stick it right in Bush's lying face in high public profile.

She's not alone, but she's the one who got the headlines, and she's wisely using the attention to keep the public's attention on the problem. More power to her. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

yes, i agree, she did bring a human face to the casualties in Iraq, or atleast one the entire nation identified with. yes, i feel extreme empathy for her and what she is going through, but she is not bringing any "solutions" to the table. I think the public's attention would be on Iraq regardless of what sheehan does. it is a mess. i'll agree with anyone that bush screwed up. but we are there now. get over it. yes, maybe the pretenses were wrong for the war. maybe we shouldn't be there. maybe we would be better off with saddam in power, maybe not. who cares? too many maybes for me. the fact stands, we are there now. and its a freaking mess. putting it lightly. sectarian violence (a.k.a subdued civil war) is going to rack the country whether we are there or not. personally, i don't see an issue with a civil war. if we want them to establish a unitarian government, as we proclaim to want, then civil war will most likely be part of the process. what more did you expect with such religous tensions already there, lying dormant because of an oppressive regime just waiting for something to exploit them. the political process is the perfect medium for that to happen. and happen it did.
i don't agree with those who say we should pull the troops out immediately, its called patience. we myswell finish the job we started, otherwise we will look ten times worse. i think it is also naive to believe that if the democrats take over congress in november that suddenly everything will be great. it will simply go from everyone try as hard as you can to stymie bush and every agenda he has to a more effective version of such a strategy. and when you begin to scream treason, please offer some evidence of some sorts to back it up. don't just mindlessly blast off about that. i'll gladly support any action against bush should i be provided with solid evidence... or any at all that he committed treason. i haven't seen anything yet.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: conjur
Big surprise someone in love with the DLC and used to write for the DLC-dandy rag: The New Republic would be critical of Democrats that don't represent the corporate whores of the DLC.

How about this for a different perspective:

Turning the Tables
For once, the Democrats are getting their act together while it's the Republicans who are divided
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1179973,00.html

And, besides, that author is from my hometown.

Oh they are getting they're act together alright, so much so that 36% of the country believe they have a clear set of policies for the country, per the March 22-23 Time poll.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: conjur
Big surprise someone in love with the DLC and used to write for the DLC-dandy rag: The New Republic would be critical of Democrats that don't represent the corporate whores of the DLC.

How about this for a different perspective:

Turning the Tables
For once, the Democrats are getting their act together while it's the Republicans who are divided
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1179973,00.html

And, besides, that author is from my hometown.

Oh they are getting they're act together alright, so much so that 36% of the country believe they have a clear set of policies for the country, per the March 22-23 Time poll.

As true as that may be, much of the country is probably like me . . . pretty sure that the current set of policies are just plain terrible.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: conjur
Big surprise someone in love with the DLC and used to write for the DLC-dandy rag: The New Republic would be critical of Democrats that don't represent the corporate whores of the DLC.

How about this for a different perspective:

Turning the Tables
For once, the Democrats are getting their act together while it's the Republicans who are divided
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1179973,00.html

And, besides, that author is from my hometown.

Oh they are getting they're act together alright, so much so that 36% of the country believe they have a clear set of policies for the country, per the March 22-23 Time poll.

As true as that may be, much of the country is probably like me . . . pretty sure that the current set of policies are just plain terrible.

Yet the current Democratic leadership apparently still has a very hard time convincing anyone that they possess the solution.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson


Oh they are getting they're act together alright, so much so that 36% of the country believe they have a clear set of policies for the country, per the March 22-23 Time poll.

LOL, and the Republicans are the party of ideas. Too bad they've all been bad ideas of late.

 

[sumyungai]

Last I heard, blaming and pointing fingers has never solved anything.

 

[conjur]

Kind of hard for the Democrats to do such a thing when they are routinely scoffed and ignored by the "liberal" media, shot down by the ruling party at every attempt to introduce legislation to hold this administration accountable, etc.